How Good Was Westbrook's Peak?

[The Bunk]

Overrated stat padder.

Was never capable of being the lead guy on a championship team. In fact, like Harden, I don't think he's capable of being on a title team at all with his style of play.

[Metallikid]

Top 5 passing of of all time? Are you serious ?

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Yeah I would say he's #5 behind Magic, Nash, Stockton and Robertson

Kidd and lebron are far and away better passers than him.


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Okay, I mean it's arguable. It's fair if you don't have him that high. I think he's a better passer than Kidd, he's really not given the proper credit for how great his passing is. I also don't count LeBron as a point guard.

[CBS7]

Westbrook the type of guy to overachieve with a not-so-talented team to 45 wins and a 1st round exit in his prime. But doesn't seem to be able to exist alongside another star.

[dautjazz]

Top 5 in the league for a half-decade stretch and a deserving MVP who achieved the incredible and historic feat of averaging a triple-double for three consecutive seasons. The greatest rebounding point guard of all time, a top 5 passing point guard of all time, and a top 2 scoring point guard of all time.

Very, very, very good, and he'll go down as one of the greatest point guards ever.

If KD had stayed I'm certain they would have won a title in 2017 or 2018.

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Top 5 passing PG? I'll name 6 immediately that were easily above him:

Magic
Stockton
Nash
Kidd
Robertson
C.Paul

Then you have guys like Isiah Thomas, Rondo, Cousy, and a few others I'd say were probably better playmakers. He may go down as a top 10 PG, but still feels like a guy that will always be bumped by his stats, but always let people down in the playoffs.

On second thought, I dont think he'll go down as a top 10 PG, if you include the 6 on my list, plus add IT, Curry, Frazier, and Harden you're already at 10 PG's who I think are better. Dame will pass him if he hasn't, Luka is already better than Westbrook ever was, and I'm sure there will be others that pass him.

[dautjazz]

Not buying Westbrook as a Top-5 player even at his peak.

2017 Top-5
LeBron
Durant
Kawhi
Curry
Harden

Yep, and it's a no brainer to take CP3 over him too.

[Raps in 4]

Even at his best, I'm not sure I would have had him in the top-10 of active players. He was never more efficient than league average, which is a problem for a high usage PG.

[JShuttlesworth]

Incredible athlete but over rated. Never at any point was he a better player than Lebron, Durant, Curry.

I've just never liked Westbrook's game aside from the high energy dunks. He isn't a very likeable guy either.

All the triple doubles are impressive but it doesn't mean as much to me as it does to others. He had a team that moved out of the way so he could rebound, and he always seemed to chase assists as opposed to making the right pass aka. the hockey assist.

He's better than Bob Cousy though ^^^^ that guy could only dribble with one hand.

[JN61]

Top 5 in the league for a half-decade stretch and a deserving MVP who achieved the incredible and historic feat of averaging a triple-double for three consecutive seasons. The greatest rebounding point guard of all time, a top 5 passing point guard of all time, and a top 2 scoring point guard of all time.

Very, very, very good, and he'll go down as one of the greatest point guards ever.

If KD had stayed I'm certain they would have won a title in 2017 or 2018.

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He won't be in the top 10 of the greatest point guards of all time. At least if he continues to decline so fast.

JKidd
Stockthon
Oscar Robertson
Magic
Chris Paul
Isiah Thomas
Gary Payton
Nash
Curry
Walt Frazier
Bob Cousy...

Decline so fast? He played maybe the best basketball of his career until season was put on the hold. Also he should be easily ahead of Frazier unless only thing that matters is being 2nd fiddle on a championship team.

[KayDee35]

Offensive Rating is a one useful measure of a point guard's impact on the team's offense. Despite playing with KD, who has a high Ortg, WB has a low offensive rating for a point guard. His career Ortg of under 109 is poor for a floor general. When compared with CP3 - 122.5, Magic - 120.79, Stockton - 120.55, and Nash - 118.22.

Offenses led by the aforementioned PGs outscore WB-led offenses by 9 or more points per game. That knocks WB down significantly as a floor general.

As a dynamo who could carry mediocre teams, WB was among the best. As a floor general for good teams, WB was average or worse. Players can't be evaluated in a vacuum. WB ranges from great to mediocre to poor depending on the context. No wonder opinions about him diverge so greatly.

[Ambrose]

Not top 5

[JN61]

Top 5 in the league for a half-decade stretch and a deserving MVP who achieved the incredible and historic feat of averaging a triple-double for three consecutive seasons. The greatest rebounding point guard of all time, a top 5 passing point guard of all time, and a top 2 scoring point guard of all time.

Very, very, very good, and he'll go down as one of the greatest point guards ever.

If KD had stayed I'm certain they would have won a title in 2017 or 2018.

Watch on YouTube

Top 5 passing PG? I'll name 6 immediately that were easily above him:

Magic
Stockton
Nash
Kidd
Robertson
C.Paul

Then you have guys like Isiah Thomas, Rondo, Cousy, and a few others I'd say were probably better playmakers. He may go down as a top 10 PG, but still feels like a guy that will always be bumped by his stats, but always let people down in the playoffs.

On second thought, I dont think he'll go down as a top 10 PG, if you include the 6 on my list, plus add IT, Curry, Frazier, and Harden you're already at 10 PG's who I think are better. Dame will pass him if he hasn't, Luka is already better than Westbrook ever was, and I'm sure there will be others that pass him.

Take the hater bone out for a second. Unless Lillard bails on the Blazers and goes to team up with someone like Davis and LeBron he has no chance getting multiple titles he needs to pass Westbrook on these lists (he has no chance otherwise). He is 1.5 years younger and is behind him:
1xmvp
4x all-star
4x all nba
And few scoring championship and assist leader titles

And raw stat wise about 5.5k points,3.3k assists,4.5k rebounds behind Westbrook.

In playoffs Westbrook has 105 playoff games to Lillard's 55 with over the double the lead on major statistical categories. And let's be honest. Lillard haven't been exactly world beater in playoffs with heavy drops compared to his regular season prowess.

[dautjazz]

Top 5 in the league for a half-decade stretch and a deserving MVP who achieved the incredible and historic feat of averaging a triple-double for three consecutive seasons. The greatest rebounding point guard of all time, a top 5 passing point guard of all time, and a top 2 scoring point guard of all time.

Very, very, very good, and he'll go down as one of the greatest point guards ever.

If KD had stayed I'm certain they would have won a title in 2017 or 2018.

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Top 5 passing PG? I'll name 6 immediately that were easily above him:

Magic
Stockton
Nash
Kidd
Robertson
C.Paul

Then you have guys like Isiah Thomas, Rondo, Cousy, and a few others I'd say were probably better playmakers. He may go down as a top 10 PG, but still feels like a guy that will always be bumped by his stats, but always let people down in the playoffs.

On second thought, I dont think he'll go down as a top 10 PG, if you include the 6 on my list, plus add IT, Curry, Frazier, and Harden you're already at 10 PG's who I think are better. Dame will pass him if he hasn't, Luka is already better than Westbrook ever was, and I'm sure there will be others that pass him.

Take the hater bone out for a second. Unless Lillard bails on the Blazers and goes to team up with someone like Davis and LeBron he has no chance getting multiple titles he needs to pass Westbrook on these lists (he has no chance otherwise). He is 1.5 years younger and is behind him:
1xmvp
4x all-star
4x all nba
And few scoring championship and assist leader titles

And raw stat wise about 5.5k points,3.3k assists,4.5k rebounds behind Westbrook.

In playoffs Westbrook has 105 playoff games to Lillard's 55 with over the double the lead on major statistical categories. And let's be honest. Lillard haven't been exactly world beater in playoffs with heavy drops compared to his regular season prowess.

At this moment Dame is better than any version of Westbrook. I would take 2019-20 Dame over 2016-17 Westbrook.

[JN61]

Top 5 passing PG? I'll name 6 immediately that were easily above him:

Magic
Stockton
Nash
Kidd
Robertson
C.Paul

Then you have guys like Isiah Thomas, Rondo, Cousy, and a few others I'd say were probably better playmakers. He may go down as a top 10 PG, but still feels like a guy that will always be bumped by his stats, but always let people down in the playoffs.

On second thought, I dont think he'll go down as a top 10 PG, if you include the 6 on my list, plus add IT, Curry, Frazier, and Harden you're already at 10 PG's who I think are better. Dame will pass him if he hasn't, Luka is already better than Westbrook ever was, and I'm sure there will be others that pass him.

Take the hater bone out for a second. Unless Lillard bails on the Blazers and goes to team up with someone like Davis and LeBron he has no chance getting multiple titles he needs to pass Westbrook on these lists (he has no chance otherwise). He is 1.5 years younger and is behind him:
1xmvp
4x all-star
4x all nba
And few scoring championship and assist leader titles

And raw stat wise about 5.5k points,3.3k assists,4.5k rebounds behind Westbrook.

In playoffs Westbrook has 105 playoff games to Lillard's 55 with over the double the lead on major statistical categories. And let's be honest. Lillard haven't been exactly world beater in playoffs with heavy drops compared to his regular season prowess.

At this moment Dame is better than any version of Westbrook. I would take 2019-20 Dame over 2016-17 Westbrook.

That is why they had to invent special rule for Portland to make to playoffs, and bounced on the first round? Lillard is a better shooter and scorer than Westbrook ever was. All other fronts of the game Westbrook is just superior, especially career wise.

[knuckles862]

Yeah I would say he's #5 behind Magic, Nash, Stockton and Robertson

Kidd and lebron are far and away better passers than him.


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Okay, I mean it's arguable. It's fair if you don't have him that high. I think he's a better passer than Kidd, he's really not given the proper credit for how great his passing is. I also don't count LeBron as a point guard.

You don't seriously believe this do you?

[JRoy]

Top 5 in the league for a half-decade stretch and a deserving MVP who achieved the incredible and historic feat of averaging a triple-double for three consecutive seasons. The greatest rebounding point guard of all time, a top 5 passing point guard of all time, and a top 2 scoring point guard of all time.

Very, very, very good, and he'll go down as one of the greatest point guards ever.

If KD had stayed I'm certain they would have won a title in 2017 or 2018.

Watch on YouTube

Top 5 passing PG? I'll name 6 immediately that were easily above him:

Magic
Stockton
Nash
Kidd
Robertson
C.Paul

Then you have guys like Isiah Thomas, Rondo, Cousy, and a few others I'd say were probably better playmakers. He may go down as a top 10 PG, but still feels like a guy that will always be bumped by his stats, but always let people down in the playoffs.

On second thought, I dont think he'll go down as a top 10 PG, if you include the 6 on my list, plus add IT, Curry, Frazier, and Harden you're already at 10 PG's who I think are better. Dame will pass him if he hasn't, Luka is already better than Westbrook ever was, and I'm sure there will be others that pass him.

Not really a great passer at all.

Weak, foolish and ballhoggedy like jordon.

[brutalitops]

I think most believe his teammates at OKC were told to let him get all loose rebounds. Yes he got a lot of triple doubles, but a hell of a lot felt super empty. Not as bad a JaVale trying to get that triple double, but still bad.

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Moreso During that Period that OKC's best offense was letting Westbrook play at breakneck transition. So it was literally
*Defend*
*Try to get easy transition points for Westbrook*

Those OKC teams were pretty **** gross in terms of X and 0's, Westbrook's quality brought them to treadmill when they were lottery tier

[brutalitops]

Offensive Rating is a one useful measure of a point guard's impact on the team's offense. Despite playing with KD, who has a high Ortg, WB has a low offensive rating for a point guard. His career Ortg of under 109 is poor for a floor general. When compared with CP3 - 122.5, Magic - 120.79, Stockton - 120.55, and Nash - 118.22.

Offenses led by the aforementioned PGs outscore WB-led offenses by 9 or more points per game. That knocks WB down significantly as a floor general.

As a dynamo who could carry mediocre teams, WB was among the best. As a floor general for good teams, WB was average or worse. Players can't be evaluated in a vacuum. WB ranges from great to mediocre to poor depending on the context. No wonder opinions about him diverge so greatly.

Yeah good post

I thought OKC probably needed to either Develop Westbrook different with him and Durant, As they were super talented, but they really were not well coached or maximised for their talents

I don't think anyone see's him as a J Kidd/Nash tier passer, Most his passes just came out of, Every offensive possession came off Westbrook, OKC's best plays when Durant was gone was, Let Westbrook attack, Best way to do that? Box out opponents, Let Westbrook sky it, and push tempo.

He was a top 5 player. I don't think many guys bar Lebron could carry that OKC team anywhere near what Russ did for them. That roster was Beyond horrific, Adams was solid but needs a structure to thrive, You had Oladipo and Sabonis who were not even quarter of the players they were. who else?

[JRoy]

Take the hater bone out for a second. Unless Lillard bails on the Blazers and goes to team up with someone like Davis and LeBron he has no chance getting multiple titles he needs to pass Westbrook on these lists (he has no chance otherwise). He is 1.5 years younger and is behind him:
1xmvp
4x all-star
4x all nba
And few scoring championship and assist leader titles

And raw stat wise about 5.5k points,3.3k assists,4.5k rebounds behind Westbrook.

In playoffs Westbrook has 105 playoff games to Lillard's 55 with over the double the lead on major statistical categories. And let's be honest. Lillard haven't been exactly world beater in playoffs with heavy drops compared to his regular season prowess.

At this moment Dame is better than any version of Westbrook. I would take 2019-20 Dame over 2016-17 Westbrook.

That is why they had to invent special rule for Portland to make to playoffs, and bounced on the first round? Lillard is a better shooter and scorer than Westbrook ever was. All other fronts of the game Westbrook is just superior, especially career wise.

Lillard has leadership skills and can make the clutch play.

[Yinwest]

Ask Ricky Rubio.

[Brandon_Roy7]

Stat padder. Don't let the numbers fool you. I would rather take 2011 Rose than any westbrook. Then someone else mentioned dame. Which I also agree.