Without accolades, does AD have arguments over Olajuwon?

Dutchball97 · Post #21 » by **Dutchball97** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:17 am

Uhhh Hakeem isn't a great player because of his accolades. He got all those accolades because he was a great player.

AD isn't particularly close.

Joao Saraiva · Post #22 » by **Joao Saraiva** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:20 am

Hakeem has the advantage scoring in the post. His moves are up there against anyone in the history of basketball. He also had very good range (not 3s, but no C would shoot them when he played) and his handles were superb. Very fast for a big man.

Hakeem's passing was suspicious for a big portion of his career, but in his best years he was definitely a much better passer than Davis.

As rebounders they're both at the same level without looking at the numbers.

On defense Hakeem is the best I've ever seen. Covered a ton of ground. Davis does too. I feel Hakeem was an even better post defender and a better rim protector. Dude was a beast.

I'd say Hakeem as a peak/prime player is tier 1. I don't see Davis there yet.

Stan · Post #23 » by **Stan** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:21 am

Hakeem was out there whooping Ewing, Robinson & Shaq's ass on his way to wining b2b titles. AD's great, but he was facing teams who literally didn't even have a center in some of their series, and had the luxury of playing with that LeBron guy too

scrabbarista · Post #24 » by **scrabbarista** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:26 am

CodeBreaker wrote:
scrabbarista wrote:
J-Wolves wrote:

Side note height wise A.Davis is now listed at 6.9 3/4.

If that's accurate, then he's the same height as Olajuwon. AD looks taller to me, but I can accept that they might be the same height.

I thought Hakeem is about 1" taller than AD

It's possible. AD looks like he has a very short neck and small head, which would make him technically shorter than he appears/is functionally. And who really knows or cares when you start talking about a difference of one inch. They're roughly the same size, it's safe to say. AD has always looked a bit taller than Olajuwon to me. Side note: I don't buy into the "look at a photograph" method of judging height, because it can easily be skewed by posture, shoes, and camera angle. I usually just watch a guy play to get a true sense of his size. Certainly, heights are more accurate now than they've ever been, with the newly instituted rule change. I still don't think it's 100% reliable, though. When I go to the doctor, sometimes the nurse will mark me as 5'9'', and sometimes I get marked as 5'10'' (even marked in cm). It's probably related to how straight I'm standing that day. Who knows.

RoundMoundOfReb · Post #25 » by **RoundMoundOfReb** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:44 am

Ad is a great player, a top 5 player in the NBA. Other than having more range on his jumper and being a better ft shooter, I struggle to see a single aspect of basketball he's better at than Olajuwon, who at his best may be the best we've ever seen.

Post #26 » by **Kilroy** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:50 am

This thread should only be for people who are actually old enough to have watched Dream play...

I'm a huge Hakeem guy, I watched his entire career.. I think AD's better right now... He's more skilled and more versatile.

Hakeem was one of the most skilled post players ever, but he wasn't shooting 3s... Hell, he barely shot from mid range... He wasn't guarding anyone more than 10' from the basket either... He was an incredible blocker, and rebounder... But not that much better than AD.

Hakeem's best season was arguably his 89-90 season when he was 27... Compare that to AD's season this year at 26...

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Hakeem+Olajuwon&player_id1_select=Hakeem+Olajuwon&player_id1=olajuha01&idx=bbr__players&p1yrfrom=1990&player_id2_hint=Anthony+Davis&player_id2_select=Anthony+Davis&player_id2=davisan02&idx=bbr__players&p2yrfrom=2020#stats-per_game::none

Hakeems got him in rebounds and blocks for sure, but AD has Hakeem in pretty much every offensive category...

I think AD's clearly got a shot to be better than Hakeem all time.

Joao Saraiva · Post #27 » by **Joao Saraiva** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:04 am

Kilroy wrote:This thread should only be for people who are actually old enough to have watched Dream play...

I'm a huge Hakeem guy, I watched his entire career.. I think AD's better right now... He's more skilled and more versatile.

Hakeem was one of the most skilled post players ever, but he wasn't shooting 3s... Hell, he barely shot from mid range... He wasn't guarding anyone more than 10' from the basket either... He was an incredible blocker, and rebounder... But not that much better than AD.

Hakeem's best season was arguably his 89-90 season when he was 27... Compare that to AD's season this year at 26...

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Hakeem+Olajuwon&player_id1_select=Hakeem+Olajuwon&player_id1=olajuha01&idx=bbr__players&p1yrfrom=1990&player_id2_hint=Anthony+Davis&player_id2_select=Anthony+Davis&player_id2=davisan02&idx=bbr__players&p2yrfrom=2020#stats-per_game::none

Hakeems got him in rebounds and blocks for sure, but AD has Hakeem in pretty much every offensive category...

I think AD's clearly got a shot to be better than Hakeem all time.

Oh boy. That is not true at all.

I also can't agree with his best season. It's either 93 or 94.

Sgt Major · Post #28 » by **Sgt Major** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:13 am

This place is turning into Reddit

othawhitemeat · Post #29 » by **othawhitemeat** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:21 am

And this is the reason no one take Goat conversations seriously with Lebronials never really seeing how the game was played back in the day. AD is not even a top 40 player mention to me. He is too soft consistently. Very good 60% of his games. Hakeem where players still go to get post move tutoring.

God Squad · Post #30 » by **God Squad** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:26 am

Absolutely not.

syrus3 · Post #31 » by **syrus3** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:16 pm

In the words of Deborah Cox, absolutely not.

The delusion from this generation is mind boggling.

Official · Post #32 » by **Official** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:19 pm

No but trying to compare post players from the 90's to today is simply not possible. Post play has become incredibly inefficient and easy to guard with the elimination of illegal defense.

Anticon · Post #33 » by **Anticon** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:23 pm

He has no arguments over him. He isn't anywhere near as good.

scrabbarista · Post #34 » by **scrabbarista** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:50 pm

Joao Saraiva wrote:
Kilroy wrote:This thread should only be for people who are actually old enough to have watched Dream play...

I'm a huge Hakeem guy, I watched his entire career.. I think AD's better right now... He's more skilled and more versatile.

Hakeem was one of the most skilled post players ever, but he wasn't shooting 3s... Hell, he barely shot from mid range... He wasn't guarding anyone more than 10' from the basket either... He was an incredible blocker, and rebounder... But not that much better than AD.

Hakeem's best season was arguably his 89-90 season when he was 27... Compare that to AD's season this year at 26...

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Hakeem+Olajuwon&player_id1_select=Hakeem+Olajuwon&player_id1=olajuha01&idx=bbr__players&p1yrfrom=1990&player_id2_hint=Anthony+Davis&player_id2_select=Anthony+Davis&player_id2=davisan02&idx=bbr__players&p2yrfrom=2020#stats-per_game::none

Hakeems got him in rebounds and blocks for sure, but AD has Hakeem in pretty much every offensive category...

I think AD's clearly got a shot to be better than Hakeem all time.

Oh boy. That is not true at all.

I also can't agree with his best season. It's either 93 or 94.

Yes. It's 93 or 94. There are all kinds of wrong in that post. Barely shot from midrange? Here are some highlights from just '94: nearly half of his shots are from midrange. In particular, check out the Jazz series (starts at 17:55); it's almost all midrange. Against Phoenix, he didn't need to shoot much midrange, because no one on their team could keep him away from the hoop.

Watch on YouTube

kamaze · Post #35 » by **kamaze** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:12 pm

Stop the madness! AD won his 1st ring Hakeem is a legend.

Soulyss · Post #36 » by **Soulyss** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:17 pm

Oof... man there have been a bunch of terrible hot take threads on realgm lately.. its almost like Steven A is putting test material on the board.. ugh

Buckets22 · Post #37 » by **Buckets22** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:22 pm

No. AD does not have arguments over Olajuwon.

ATRAIN53 · Post #38 » by **ATRAIN53** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:34 pm

Without MJ Hakeem probably has 4 or 5 titles.....

The stats are actually pretty close-

The difference is Hakeem wasn't out there chucking up 3's like AD does.

how about this question-

MJ and Hakeem

or

LeBron and AD?

who wins that 2 on 2?

(hint MJ always wins....)

UcanUwill · Post #39 » by **UcanUwill** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:38 pm

Olajuwon is probably the best defensive player of all time and top 5 player all time. I mean this is one comparison that justifies ''not even close'' comment.

Adam Stern · Post #40 » by **Adam Stern** » Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:51 pm

No accolades? Ok then let's talk about attitude.

One guy winced at playing center in the era of Nurkic, Jokic, and Adebayo
While the other guy relished battling Robinson, Ewing, and O'Neal.

Come on.