Report: Bulls Intent On Moving Up; Desire Top 2 Pick

tarantism · Post #21 » by **tarantism** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:19 pm

Wolf of Ball St wrote:This screams “Lauri’s out.” I’m in on #1 and end of bench players for #4 and Markanen.

Towns
Markanen
Culver
Beasley
Russell

#4
MLE
Okogie
Juancho
Layman
Reid
McLaughlin

On paper, a decent 40+ win team?

That team will give up 150 ppg.

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yitur · Post #22 » by **yitur** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:36 pm

Why would Bulls give up Lavine or Markkanen for 2-3 spots? That doesn't seem right.

drosereturn · Post #23 » by **drosereturn** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:51 pm

BadWolf wrote:Markkanen seems like a perfect candidate. Both Warriors and Twolves could use a guy like that. And Bulls don't really want to pay him.

Lauri is not a throw in AK is higher on him than anyone on the roster. Its most likely Gafford who has lottery pick value or some combination of Hutch/Dunn whose more than enough to move up couple of spots.
Like Wolves and Warriors are the one losing out if they hold out bc they are serious contenders for title short term and the higher salary number 2 makes is a deal breaker they would almost choose a worse pick as long as they got their guy.
In a world where no other team wants to move up other than Knicks, Bulls hold all the leverage due to supply demand. This isnt Doncic draft where a team is dying to sacrifice everything Dallas did.

drosereturn · Post #24 » by **drosereturn** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:15 pm

MotownMadness wrote:
DaT WaVeY RiCaN wrote:Every lottery team has be linked to wanting to
Move up. Everybody is testing the waters

They could do it pretty cheap though sitting at 4. I don't even think Bulls fans like their current frontcourt either or would be sad to lose one of them.

Then why dont you outbid us and offer 7 and Doumb? I thought of offering Carter and it was rejected by Wolves but the more I think abt it even useless Carter is a waste because Wiseman, Deni, Ball is as good as Edwards I dont see like several tier difference. If Warriors take Wiseman who they are high Bulls are more than fine to take Deni to be their starting wing for the next decade.

This is not really news. AK did state before he wished a higher pick for fear of his guy getting stolen but hes not stupid to offer the entire farm just bc he loses his target. If the top teams want to get a Tatum haul, they better identify and threaten to pick ahead.
Pretty sure he has several scenarios where he might even trade down to stash Poku if it costs too much moving up. It really depends how reasonable 1,2 are and I expect them to bluff and suffer for trying to make like bandits.

ImSlower · Post #25 » by **ImSlower** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:27 pm

Bad thread title. This is pure speculation Haberstroh's opinion, not an actual source.

It is not a Report, just a talking head. I am glad to see some national opinions on what the Bulls need to do to become relevant again. I truly have no idea what AKs vision is of this team. Until i see a reporter cite actual sources, all we are doing is debating some other dude's ideas.

I can't imagine they are high on Ball, but maybe they see Wiseman/Carter Jr. as a shutdown front court, and worth getting Markkanen into a fresh situation. Very unlikely they overpay to move up, or that they underpay and still manage the best offer to GS or Minn.

BadWolf · Post #26 » by **BadWolf** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:31 pm

drosereturn wrote:
BadWolf wrote:Markkanen seems like a perfect candidate. Both Warriors and Twolves could use a guy like that. And Bulls don't really want to pay him.

Lauri is not a throw in AK is higher on him than anyone on the roster. Its most likely Gafford who has lottery pick value or some combination of Hutch/Dunn whose more than enough to move up couple of spots.
Like Wolves and Warriors are the one losing out if they hold out bc they are serious contenders for title short term and the higher salary number 2 makes is a deal breaker they would almost choose a worse pick as long as they got their guy.
In a world where no other team wants to move up other than Knicks, Bulls hold all the leverage due to supply demand. This isnt Doncic draft where a team is dying to sacrifice everything Dallas did.

If Karnishovas is high on Mark then sure, bad deal.
Gafford, outside of a Bulls bubble, has little value around the league, definitely not enough to move up a spot,much less 3

John Murdoch · Post #27 » by **John Murdoch** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:54 pm

Wolf of Ball St wrote:
Wolf of Ball St wrote:This screams “Lauri’s out.” I’m in on #1 and end of bench players for #4 and Markanen.

Towns
Markanen
Culver
Beasley
Russell

#4
MLE
Okogie
Juancho
Layman
Reid
McLaughlin

On paper, a decent 40+ win team?

On second thought, I’d also be interested in a reunion with Zach. I’m comfortable with Juancho as a starting 4 and love the offensive possibilities of a Zach and DLo backcourt. Interchangeable playmakers and off ball threats. Explosive offensive firepower. Defense would be like Swiss cheese, but you’d never be out of a game.

Yeah beinging Zach back would be pretty interesting. Altough ur 3 best players would be defensive seives

NoZoLakers · Post #28 » by **NoZoLakers** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:27 pm

drosereturn wrote:
BadWolf wrote:Markkanen seems like a perfect candidate. Both Warriors and Twolves could use a guy like that. And Bulls don't really want to pay him.

Lauri is not a throw in AK is higher on him than anyone on the roster. Its most likely Gafford who has lottery pick value or some combination of Hutch/Dunn whose more than enough to move up couple of spots.
Like Wolves and Warriors are the one losing out if they hold out bc they are serious contenders for title short term and the higher salary number 2 makes is a deal breaker they would almost choose a worse pick as long as they got their guy.
In a world where no other team wants to move up other than Knicks, Bulls hold all the leverage due to supply demand. This isnt Doncic draft where a team is dying to sacrifice everything Dallas did.

so hutchinson and/or dunn are "win now" pieces? :lol:

Wolf of Ball St · Post #29 » by **Wolf of Ball St** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:44 pm

tarantism wrote:That team will give up 150 ppg.

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Yeah, they'd be record-breaking terrible defensively. But hopefully score 151 each time they gave up 150 :nod:

Hello Brooklyn · Post #30 » by **Hello Brooklyn** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:47 pm

If I'm the Bulls I'm not giving up Markkanen to move up in this **** draft.

Otto Porter and the #4 pick. Take it or leave it lol. Either Minnesota or GSW could use him.

NoZoLakers · Post #31 » by **NoZoLakers** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:50 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:If I'm the Bulls I'm not giving up Markkanen to move up in this **** draft.

Otto Porter and the #4 pick. Take it or leave it lol. Either Minnesota or GSW could use him.

how does either team match porter 28M?

BK_2020 · Post #32 » by **BK_2020** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:53 pm

NoZoLakers wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:If I'm the Bulls I'm not giving up Markkanen to move up in this **** draft.

Otto Porter and the #4 pick. Take it or leave it lol. Either Minnesota or GSW could use him.

how does either team match porter 28M?

Wiggins

NoZoLakers · Post #33 » by **NoZoLakers** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:56 pm

BK_2020 wrote:
NoZoLakers wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:If I'm the Bulls I'm not giving up Markkanen to move up in this **** draft.

Otto Porter and the #4 pick. Take it or leave it lol. Either Minnesota or GSW could use him.

how does either team match porter 28M?

Wiggins

I suggested that but GSW fans for whatever reason said no :lol:

while Bulls fans dont want to be handicapped by Wiggins contract just to move up a few spots

DarkXaero · Post #34 » by **DarkXaero** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:38 pm

NoZoLakers wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:If I'm the Bulls I'm not giving up Markkanen to move up in this **** draft.

Otto Porter and the #4 pick. Take it or leave it lol. Either Minnesota or GSW could use him.

how does either team match porter 28M?

Porter isn't even a positive value asset with his massive salary, and injury history, relative to his production. That would be a laughably bad offer by Bulls.

Post #35 » by **Darth Celtic** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:41 pm

HoopsterJones wrote:
letsgobulls23 wrote:I'm not sure how those quotes equal "CHI intent on moving up", but it sounds like they could be interested in it. I hope LaVine isn't on the table to move up from 4 in this draft.

Trading LaVine and #4 to move up in this weak draft is an awful move for the Bulls. There isn’t a Zion, Ja, Luka, Ayton or even Trae Young level of talent/hype to be had there.

I may be amenable to trading Lauri to move up, but that would be selling low on him.

When you consider and realize that LaVine doesn't contribute to winning basketball in any way, it makes even more sense. Problem is, the Wolves already know this and the warriors have no place for him with all the other guards on roster and salary structures tight. If the bulls want to move up, a young player in rookie contract and future picks are what they have to offer. Marketen fits the bill the most for GSW. Big who can shoot to play the "five" for them.

SF_Warriors · Post #36 » by **SF_Warriors** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:51 pm

NoZoLakers wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:
NoZoLakers wrote:how does either team match porter 28M?

Wiggins

I suggested that but GSW fans for whatever reason said no while Bulls fans dont want to be handicapped by Wiggins contract just to move up a few spots

I personally think its pointless to go from wiggins/#2 to Porter/#4..basically trading two spots down to get out of wiggin's contract for an expiring. Porter's too much of an injury risk right now for me to want him as a long term part of the core.

HoopsterJones · Post #37 » by **HoopsterJones** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:12 pm

Darth Celtic wrote:
HoopsterJones wrote:
letsgobulls23 wrote:I'm not sure how those quotes equal "CHI intent on moving up", but it sounds like they could be interested in it. I hope LaVine isn't on the table to move up from 4 in this draft.

Trading LaVine and #4 to move up in this weak draft is an awful move for the Bulls. There isn’t a Zion, Ja, Luka, Ayton or even Trae Young level of talent/hype to be had there.

I may be amenable to trading Lauri to move up, but that would be selling low on him.

When you consider and realize that LaVine doesn't contribute to winning basketball in any way, it makes even more sense. Problem is, the Wolves already know this and the warriors have no place for him with all the other guards on roster and salary structures tight. If the bulls want to move up, a young player in rookie contract and future picks are what they have to offer. Marketen fits the bill the most for GSW. Big who can shoot to play the "five" for them.

That’s an over simplification on LaVine. He isn’t net negative and awful as some people claim that he is. Jim Boylen was an awful awful coach. The Bulls have a young inexperienced core who are underdeveloped, injured (WCJ) or misused (Markannen). OPJ is a decent player but was practically injured all season (like always). Thad Young is overrated. You’re not likely winning many games with all of the above.

LaVine has a 2.4 VORP in the regular season, 28th in the league with a stat line of 25.5 PPG, 4.8 RPG, 4.2 APG, 1.5 SPG, 19.4 PER, TS 56.8. And his contract is arguably a good value at $78m over 4 years.

Hello Brooklyn · Post #38 » by **Hello Brooklyn** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:17 pm

NoZoLakers wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:If I'm the Bulls I'm not giving up Markkanen to move up in this **** draft.

Otto Porter and the #4 pick. Take it or leave it lol. Either Minnesota or GSW could use him.

how does either team match porter 28M?

Yeah that would only work for Minnesota. Doesn't really make sense for GSW.

Maybe you throw in Kris Dunn for the Warriors.

I'm not saying it makes sense. I just wouldn't put in Markennan if I'm Chicago.

shangrila · Post #39 » by **shangrila** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:47 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
NoZoLakers wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:If I'm the Bulls I'm not giving up Markkanen to move up in this **** draft.

Otto Porter and the #4 pick. Take it or leave it lol. Either Minnesota or GSW could use him.

how does either team match porter 28M?

Yeah that would only work for Minnesota. Doesn't really make sense for GSW.

Maybe you throw in Kris Dunn for the Warriors.

I'm not saying it makes sense. I just wouldn't put in Markennan if I'm Chicago.

How would it work for Minnesota? We can match salaries to a degree but not to a max without gutting the roster.

BW32 · Post #40 » by **BW32** » Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:02 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
NoZoLakers wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:If I'm the Bulls I'm not giving up Markkanen to move up in this **** draft.

Otto Porter and the #4 pick. Take it or leave it lol. Either Minnesota or GSW could use him.

how does either team match porter 28M?

Yeah that would only work for Minnesota. Doesn't really make sense for GSW.

Maybe you throw in Kris Dunn for the Warriors.

I'm not saying it makes sense. I just wouldn't put in Markennan if I'm Chicago.

Dunn isn't signed.