Michael Jordan's Three-Point Shot Selection

[Alize]

Ultra-competitive, if he wanted he would break Curry 3pt record.

Jordan receiving credit for something he didn’t do, but could’ve if he really wanted to?

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[Sofia]

Ultra-competitive, if he wanted he would break Curry 3pt record.

Jordan receiving credit for something he didn’t do, but could’ve if he really wanted to?

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He could’ve broke the rebounding record too but he chose not to.

On that basis, he should be considered one of the best rebounders of all time.

[TheBullsDynasty]

1) 3pt shooting wasn't a popular thing back in the day.
2) When you're as good as Jordan at attacking the rim and at shooting from the midrange, it makes all the sense in the world to craft your game around those strengths.
3) Jordan has 5-6 seasons where he shot pretty decent from the 3pt line in the playoffs. That should tell you he was a decent 3pt shooter when he wanted to. So it would make sense that he would've adjusted for today's league and be a really good 3pt shooter.

Season / 3PA
84-85 / 5.4 (Jordan gets drafted)
85-86 / 5.4
86-87 / 8.0
87-88 / 8.6
88-89 / 14
89-90 / 10.4
90-91 / 12.9
91-92 / 12.3
92-93 / 13.4
93-94 / 15.7
94-95 / 21.4
95-96 / 24.9
96-97 / 22.7
97-98 / 20.4 (Jordan retires)
98-99 / 18.9
99-00 / 20.2
00-01 / 19.9
01-02 / 23.7
02-03 / 26.3
03-04 / 23.6
04-05 / 24.7
05-06 / 25.6
06-07 / 24.0
07-08 / 26.6
08-09 / 27.9
09-10 / 27.3
10-11 / 25.6
11-12 / 27.0
12-13 / 28.9
13-14 / 26.6
14-15 / 32.7
15-16 / 31.6
16-17 / 40.3
17-18 / 42.3
18-19 / 45.4
19-20 / 45.3

As you can see, for most of Jordan's career, 3 point shooting wasn't popular at all.

[Magic Is Magic]

Titles won with an All-Star teammate:

Jordan: 5 out of 7 (includes the 17 game regular season he played in 1995 after two years of baseball)

James: 3 out of 10

Summary: James played three more seasons with an All-Star teammate and still won two fewer titles.
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Titles won without an All-Star teammate:

Jordan: 1 out of 8 (includes the seasons he turned 39 and 40 years old)

James: 1 out of 7

Summary: Pretty much a draw.

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But please, tell me more about how great Pippen was and how Jordan's teammates were better than James'. Pippen didn't even make the All-Star team in 1991, in his so-called "playoff prime." How is that "major help?"

Oh, you're going that route? This should be easy then. Which 90s team had a better #2 and #3 option than MJ's Pippen and Grant? Let's hear it.

In 1991, the Trail Blazer had three All-Stars, the Celtics had three All-Stars, the Lakers had two All-Stars, the Jazz had two All-Stars, the 76ers had two All-Stars, the Pistons had two All-Stars, the Bucks had two All-Stars...

That's seven teams in one season that had more All-Stars than the Bulls, and two of them had two more than the Bulls, whose only All-Star was Jordan.

In 1992, the Pistons had three All-Stars, the Cavaliers had two All-Stars, the Celtics had two All-Stars, the Hawks had two All-Stars, the Suns had two All-Stars, the Rockets had two All-Stars, the Lakers had two All-Stars, the Warriors had two All-Stars, and the Jazz had two All-Stars. The Bulls had two, including the MVP and FMVP, Michael Jordan.

That's nine teams that had as many or more All-Stars as the Bulls in 1992. You can keep telling yourself that the reason none of those teams won the title was Horace Grant, but... I mean, seriously...

In 1993, the Cavaliers had three All-Stars, the Warriors had three All-Stars, the Pistons had two All-Stars, the Suns had two All-Stars, the Spurs had two All-Stars, the Jazz had two All-Stars...

That's at least six teams with as many All-Stars as the Bulls, including two that had more than the Bulls.

I hope you'll forgive me if going through and comparing the stats of the third best player on every team in the league to the stats of Horace Grant for three consecutive seasons isn't my idea of a good time.

Pippen and Grant were great players. But you're playing a losing game, my friend. Swap Jordan with any best player on half a dozen teams in any of those three seasons, and you're getting the same result: Michael Jordan, Finals MVP. I know I'm not really talking to you, because I know you're too dug in, but I took the time because your take is a tired, old one, and maybe someone else will take a look at this post and realize that what made the Bulls as "stacked" as they were in 91-93 was having the best to ever play on their side. Did he have help? Sure, same as every other champ in history. But these weren't superteams. They were just great teams being lead by a guy who made everyone else better in every way imaginable.

So again, which 90s team had a better #2 and #3 option than MJ's Pippen and Grant?

[prophet_of_rage]

Jordan receiving credit for something he didn’t do, but could’ve if he really wanted to?

Happens all the time but try doing that with another player and see what happens.

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[Alize]

Jordan is a better playmaker than James because he averaged 11 Assists a game over a stretch of 10 games. Similiar logic. Lebrons real 3point shooting percentage is somewhere between 42.3 and 46.6 depending on the time we look at.

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[prophet_of_rage]

Well, certainly if a high minute, primary scorer perimeter player is taking 1 or fewer 3PA/G, then the types of three's they are taking are probably not going to be quality three's. From 88-89 to 92-93 with the regular line, Jordan shot:

Regular Season: 256/766 (33.4%, 1.9 3PA/G)
Playoffs: 81/227 (35.7%, 2.5 3PA/G)
Total: 337/993 (33.9%)

In those 5 seasons, when he attempted more 3PA 89-90 and 92-93, his percentage was higher, which would indicate that a higher percentage of his 3PA were "good" shots vs 3PT shots taken because he had to. So yes, it's pretty logical to believe that Jordan would be capable of shooting the 3PT shot pretty well if he was taking them more often and also practicing them more often.

You've probably read my original thread already, but I guess-timated his "real" career percentage to be about .377. The more and more of his actual attempts I see, I've started to wonder whether I may have undershot the mark.

It's also worth noting that he shot .306 in the first two playoffs you listed and .387 in the last three, which would seem to indicate that he may have added the three to his game in his mid-20's. While a decline in 97 and 98 might appear to contradict this, I would counter that A) players were adjusting back from a shortened line to a longer line, and B) much more relevantly, he was in his mid-30's and playing 4,000 minutes per season while three-peating in an era when there was more travel, more back to backs, more preseason games than today, not to mention much more contact in general, which would be draining for a player who played Jordan's style of game, and - as I learned in The Last Dance - he had to play some of the preseason overseas. Put simply, he was tired.

Taking the numbers you highlighted as further food for thought...

To go from 33.4% on 1.9 attempts to 35.7% on 2.5 attempts, he would need to shoot .429 on the added attempts, unless I screwed up the math. Perhaps he shot such a higher percentage on the added attempts because they were shots he was looking for, as opposed to shots he was "forced" to take (I have to use quote marks because if we're honest, many of today's players would likely pass those shots up), as it seems so many of his regular season attempts were.

You know his actual 3 pt percentage is his actual 3 pt percentage.

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[The4thHorseman]

in today's NBA he'd go to the line 20 x a game and shoot 40% from three....putting up 40-8-6. Yes, he really was that good. Same with Bird who I think would have averaged a triple double every season while scoring 35 a game. It's just an entirely different era, completely catered towards offense. It's silly trying to claim anyone from today's game was on these guy's level

Does this mean during Scottie's 91/92/93 playoff prime of roughly 21/9/8 he would jump to 24/10/11 or so in this era too? If so, wow Jordan was playing with some major help.

Titles won with an All-Star teammate:

Jordan: 5 out of 7 (includes the 17 game regular season he played in 1995 after two years of baseball)

James: 3 out of 10

Summary: James played three more seasons with an All-Star teammate and still won two fewer titles.
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Titles won without an All-Star teammate:

Jordan: 1 out of 8 (includes the seasons he turned 39 and 40 years old)

James: 1 out of 7

Summary: Pretty much a draw.

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But please, tell me more about how great Pippen was and how Jordan's teammates were better than James'. Pippen didn't even make the All-Star team in 1991, in his so-called "playoff prime." How is that "major help?"

Why are you using All-Star selections instead All-NBA selections??

Pippen was All-NBA on both sides of the court in 5 of the 6 Bulls title winning seasons.

With James' 4 titles, AD this season was the only teammate who was All-NBA on both sides of the court. Irving in 2015 was All-NBA, Bosh, nor Love, made All-NBA (on either side of the court) with James and Love wasn't even givin' a spot on the 2015 or 2016 All-star team.

[Magic Is Magic]

Does this mean during Scottie's 91/92/93 playoff prime of roughly 21/9/8 he would jump to 24/10/11 or so in this era too? If so, wow Jordan was playing with some major help.

Titles won with an All-Star teammate:

Jordan: 5 out of 7 (includes the 17 game regular season he played in 1995 after two years of baseball)

James: 3 out of 10

Summary: James played three more seasons with an All-Star teammate and still won two fewer titles.
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Titles won without an All-Star teammate:

Jordan: 1 out of 8 (includes the seasons he turned 39 and 40 years old)

James: 1 out of 7

Summary: Pretty much a draw.

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But please, tell me more about how great Pippen was and how Jordan's teammates were better than James'. Pippen didn't even make the All-Star team in 1991, in his so-called "playoff prime." How is that "major help?"

Why are you using All-Star selections instead All-NBA selections??

Pippen was All-NBA on both sides of the court in 5 of the 6 Bulls title winning seasons.

With James' 4 titles, AD this season was the only teammate who was All-NBA on both sides of the court. Irving in 2015 was All-NBA, Bosh, nor Love, made All-NBA (on either side of the court) with James and Love wasn't even givin' a spot on the 2015 or 2016 All-star team.

2016 was so phenomenal because I'm pretty sure Love and Kyrie not only didn't make an all NBA team, I don't think they even received a single vote. LeBron was 1 All NBA player facing against 3 All NBAs and he won in the Finals. The 1st and likely only time a player facing a 3 to 1 all nba deficit and wins in the Finals

[scrabbarista]

Does this mean during Scottie's 91/92/93 playoff prime of roughly 21/9/8 he would jump to 24/10/11 or so in this era too? If so, wow Jordan was playing with some major help.

Titles won with an All-Star teammate:

Jordan: 5 out of 7 (includes the 17 game regular season he played in 1995 after two years of baseball)

James: 3 out of 10

Summary: James played three more seasons with an All-Star teammate and still won two fewer titles.
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Titles won without an All-Star teammate:

Jordan: 1 out of 8 (includes the seasons he turned 39 and 40 years old)

James: 1 out of 7

Summary: Pretty much a draw.

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But please, tell me more about how great Pippen was and how Jordan's teammates were better than James'. Pippen didn't even make the All-Star team in 1991, in his so-called "playoff prime." How is that "major help?"

Why are you using All-Star selections instead All-NBA selections??

Pippen was All-NBA on both sides of the court in 5 of the 6 Bulls title winning seasons. With James' 4 titles, AD this season was the only teammate who was All-NBA on both sides of the court. Bosh, nor Love, made All-NBA (on either side of the court) with James and Love wasn't even givin' a spot on the 2016 All-star team.

All of the teammates Jordan played with made one All-NBA Third Team and seven All-Defensive Teams before playing with Jordan. 100% of that is Rodman, who was 34 years old in his first season with Jordan.

Wade, Bosh, Love, Kyrie, and Davis made five All-NBA First Teams, five All-NBA Second Teams, one All-NBA Third Team, and six All-Defensive teams before they joined James, and all of them were in their prime when James teamed up with them.

The facts that most of James' star teammates fell off when they started playing with him (again: in their primes) and one of them even gladly left James' team aren't points in James' favor. They're points against him. Jordan developed his teammates and lead them to improvements and collective and individual successes. LeBron sapped his teammates energy, stole their limelight, blamed them for the teams' failures, and either ran them out of town or left town himself.

[trueballer7]

Jordan is a better playmaker than James because he averaged 11 Assists a game over a stretch of 10 games. Similiar logic. Lebrons real 3point shooting percentage is somewhere between 42.3 and 46.6 depending on the time we look at.

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Playmaking is easy for MJ, its a role players job. He averaged 11,5 assists in his only Finals appearance as a full time playmaker and won 5-1. Meanwhile Lepron has played 10 Finals as a playmaker and the ultimate empty numbers statpadder, in the inflated stats era, and never reached that number. Go figure.

[The4thHorseman]

Titles won with an All-Star teammate:

Jordan: 5 out of 7 (includes the 17 game regular season he played in 1995 after two years of baseball)

James: 3 out of 10

Summary: James played three more seasons with an All-Star teammate and still won two fewer titles.
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Titles won without an All-Star teammate:

Jordan: 1 out of 8 (includes the seasons he turned 39 and 40 years old)

James: 1 out of 7

Summary: Pretty much a draw.

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But please, tell me more about how great Pippen was and how Jordan's teammates were better than James'. Pippen didn't even make the All-Star team in 1991, in his so-called "playoff prime." How is that "major help?"

Why are you using All-Star selections instead All-NBA selections??

Pippen was All-NBA on both sides of the court in 5 of the 6 Bulls title winning seasons. With James' 4 titles, AD this season was the only teammate who was All-NBA on both sides of the court. Bosh, nor Love, made All-NBA (on either side of the court) with James and Love wasn't even givin' a spot on the 2016 All-star team.

All of the teammates Jordan played with made one All-NBA Third Team and seven All-Defensive Teams before playing with Jordan. 100% of that is Rodman, who was 34 years old in his first season with Jordan.

Wade, Bosh, Love, Kyrie, and Davis made five All-NBA First Teams, five All-NBA Second Teams, one All-NBA Third Team, and six All-Defensive teams before they joined James, and all of them were in their prime when James teamed up with them.

The facts that most of James' star teammates fell off when they started playing with him (again: in their primes) and one of them even gladly left James' team aren't points in James' favor. They're points against him. Jordan developed his teammates and lead them to improvements and collective and individual successes. LeBron sapped his teammates energy, stole their limelight, blamed them for the teams' failures, and either ran one of them out of town or left town himself.

What a player did on another team 3yrs prior (just an example) to playing with James or Jordan makes no difference on a title winning team.

If Shaq's last All-NBA selection was in2005, doesn't mean James had an All-NBA player in 2010 when playing with Shaq.

What matters is the same season selection while being teammates.

From 2011-2018, Wade and Irving were the only 2 teammates who made All-NBA (3× combined) whille playing with James.

[ReddoverKobe]

Let me channel my inner Jordan stan.

MiChEal JorDaN WoUlD HAve BeEn tHE Best ThreE PoInmT ShOoTeR If He TrIED!

But wait Jordan lunatic, I thought he worked on his game harder then anyone in the history of sports?

[ReddoverKobe]

Jordan is a better playmaker than James because he averaged 11 Assists a game over a stretch of 10 games. Similiar logic. Lebrons real 3point shooting percentage is somewhere between 42.3 and 46.6 depending on the time we look at.

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Playmaking is easy for MJ, its a role players job. He averaged 11,5 assists in his only Finals appearance as a full time playmaker and won 5-1. Meanwhile Lepron has played 10 Finals as a playmaker and the ultimate empty numbers statpadder, in the inflated stats era, and never reached that number. Go figure.

You guys have gone off the deep end. Its actually scary how delusional Jordan fans are.

[trueballer7]

Jordan is a better playmaker than James because he averaged 11 Assists a game over a stretch of 10 games. Similiar logic. Lebrons real 3point shooting percentage is somewhere between 42.3 and 46.6 depending on the time we look at.

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Playmaking is easy for MJ, its a role players job. He averaged 11,5 assists in his only Finals appearance as a full time playmaker and won 5-1. Meanwhile Lepron has played 10 Finals as a playmaker and the ultimate empty numbers statpadder, in the inflated stats era, and never reached that number. Go figure.

You guys have gone off the deep end. Its actually scary how delusional Jordan fans are.

Like Lebron you mean? I agree. Wearing 23, remaking Space Jam, smoking cigars in the press conference, throwing powder in the air before cames. If that aint scary delusional Jordan fan, I dont know what is

[trueballer7]

Why are you using All-Star selections instead All-NBA selections??

Pippen was All-NBA on both sides of the court in 5 of the 6 Bulls title winning seasons. With James' 4 titles, AD this season was the only teammate who was All-NBA on both sides of the court. Bosh, nor Love, made All-NBA (on either side of the court) with James and Love wasn't even givin' a spot on the 2016 All-star team.

All of the teammates Jordan played with made one All-NBA Third Team and seven All-Defensive Teams before playing with Jordan. 100% of that is Rodman, who was 34 years old in his first season with Jordan.

Wade, Bosh, Love, Kyrie, and Davis made five All-NBA First Teams, five All-NBA Second Teams, one All-NBA Third Team, and six All-Defensive teams before they joined James, and all of them were in their prime when James teamed up with them.

The facts that most of James' star teammates fell off when they started playing with him (again: in their primes) and one of them even gladly left James' team aren't points in James' favor. They're points against him. Jordan developed his teammates and lead them to improvements and collective and individual successes. LeBron sapped his teammates energy, stole their limelight, blamed them for the teams' failures, and either ran one of them out of town or left town himself.

What a player did on another team 3yrs prior (just an example) to playing with James or Jordan makes no difference on a title winning team.

If Shaq's last All-NBA selection was in2005, doesn't mean James had an All-NBA player in 2010 when playing with Shaq.

What matters is the same season selection while being teammates.

From 2011-2018, Wade and Irving were the only 2 teammates who made All-NBA (3× combined) whille playing with James.

Why franchise players in their prime, Bosh, Love etc fail to reach their potential or get the recognition that players like Draymond Green get, should be more concerning than absolving. The pattern is far too consistent to be ignored

[lazybatman]

Does this mean during Scottie's 91/92/93 playoff prime of roughly 21/9/8 he would jump to 24/10/11 or so in this era too? If so, wow Jordan was playing with some major help.

Titles won with an All-Star teammate:

Jordan: 5 out of 7 (includes the 17 game regular season he played in 1995 after two years of baseball)

James: 3 out of 10

Summary: James played three more seasons with an All-Star teammate and still won two fewer titles.
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Titles won without an All-Star teammate:

Jordan: 1 out of 8 (includes the seasons he turned 39 and 40 years old)

James: 1 out of 7

Summary: Pretty much a draw.

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But please, tell me more about how great Pippen was and how Jordan's teammates were better than James'. Pippen didn't even make the All-Star team in 1991, in his so-called "playoff prime." How is that "major help?"

Oh, you're going that route? This should be easy then. Which 90s team had a better #2 and #3 option than MJ's Pippen and Grant? Let's hear it.

Let's make it really easy(with pictures too )

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Oh and 2020 - Lebron lead Pts, Rebs and Assists. AD lead Blks and steals.

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Oh and these graphics don't include Iggy, who might end up in the HOF. So 5 HOFers faced X 2 finals > all the HOFers Mike ever faced in finals.

[The4thHorseman]

All of the teammates Jordan played with made one All-NBA Third Team and seven All-Defensive Teams before playing with Jordan. 100% of that is Rodman, who was 34 years old in his first season with Jordan.

Wade, Bosh, Love, Kyrie, and Davis made five All-NBA First Teams, five All-NBA Second Teams, one All-NBA Third Team, and six All-Defensive teams before they joined James, and all of them were in their prime when James teamed up with them.

The facts that most of James' star teammates fell off when they started playing with him (again: in their primes) and one of them even gladly left James' team aren't points in James' favor. They're points against him. Jordan developed his teammates and lead them to improvements and collective and individual successes. LeBron sapped his teammates energy, stole their limelight, blamed them for the teams' failures, and either ran one of them out of town or left town himself.

What a player did on another team 3yrs prior (just an example) to playing with James or Jordan makes no difference on a title winning team.

If Shaq's last All-NBA selection was in2005, doesn't mean James had an All-NBA player in 2010 when playing with Shaq.

What matters is the same season selection while being teammates.

From 2011-2018, Wade and Irving were the only 2 teammates who made All-NBA (3× combined) whille playing with James.

Why franchise players in their prime, Bosh, Love etc fail to reach their potential or get the recognition that players like Draymond Green get, should be more concerning than absolving. The pattern is far too consistent to be ignored

When was Draymond first option on a losing team, putting up big stats, before becoming 3rd option?

Which star player has ever gone from 1st option to 3rd option and kept his similar 1st option stats?

[nikster]

Titles won with an All-Star teammate:

Jordan: 5 out of 7 (includes the 17 game regular season he played in 1995 after two years of baseball)

James: 3 out of 10

Summary: James played three more seasons with an All-Star teammate and still won two fewer titles.
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Titles won without an All-Star teammate:

Jordan: 1 out of 8 (includes the seasons he turned 39 and 40 years old)

James: 1 out of 7

Summary: Pretty much a draw.

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But please, tell me more about how great Pippen was and how Jordan's teammates were better than James'. Pippen didn't even make the All-Star team in 1991, in his so-called "playoff prime." How is that "major help?"

Why are you using All-Star selections instead All-NBA selections??

Pippen was All-NBA on both sides of the court in 5 of the 6 Bulls title winning seasons. With James' 4 titles, AD this season was the only teammate who was All-NBA on both sides of the court. Bosh, nor Love, made All-NBA (on either side of the court) with James and Love wasn't even givin' a spot on the 2016 All-star team.

All of the teammates Jordan played with made one All-NBA Third Team and seven All-Defensive Teams before playing with Jordan. 100% of that is Rodman, who was 34 years old in his first season with Jordan.

Wade, Bosh, Love, Kyrie, and Davis made five All-NBA First Teams, five All-NBA Second Teams, one All-NBA Third Team, and six All-Defensive teams before they joined James, and all of them were in their prime when James teamed up with them.

The facts that most of James' star teammates fell off when they started playing with him (again: in their primes) and one of them even gladly left James' team aren't points in James' favor. They're points against him. Jordan developed his teammates and lead them to improvements and collective and individual successes. LeBron sapped his teammates energy, stole their limelight, blamed them for the teams' failures, and either ran them out of town or left town himself.

This is such a lazy narrative. AD is playing as great as ever. Irving played way better with Lebron on the floor. Wade was great until injuries slowed him down. Bosh and Love went from 1st options to 3rd. The only one of them who didnt want to continue playing with Lebron is Irving, and its become clearer as time has gone on that Irving is the issue there

[Magic Is Magic]

I think I need to clear some stuff up about All NBA and All Defensive selections. MJ played with far more talent and I'm not sure where people are getting their info from but here are the cold, hard, facts.


MJ's teammates (All NBA and All Defensive)
All NBA Selections
92: Pippen (2nd team)
93: Pippen (3rd team)
94: Pippen (1st team) *MJ vacation
95: Pippen (1st team)
96: Pippen (1st team)
97: Pippen (2nd team)
98: Pippen (3rd team)
Pippen = 6x
TOTAL = 6

All Defensive Selections
91: Pippen (2nd team)
92: Pippen (1st team)
93: Pippen (1st team) and Grant (2nd team)
94: Pippen (1st team) and Grant (2nd team) *MJ vacation
95: Pippen (1st team)
96: Pippen (1st team) and Rodman (1st team)
97: Pippen (1st team)
98: Pippen (1st team)
Pippen = 7x, Grant = 1x, Rodman, 1x
TOTAL = 9

GRAND TOTAL
6x All NBA, 9x All Defensive = 15 total selections

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LBJ's teammates (All NBA and All Defensive)
All NBA Selections
11: Wade (2nd team)
12: Wade (3rd team)
13: Wade (3rd team)
15: Kyrie (3rd team)
20: Davis (1st team)
Wade = 3x, Kyrie 1x, Davis 1x
TOTAL = 5

All Defensive Selections
10: Varejao (2nd team)
20: Davis (1st team)
Varejao = 1x, Davis = 1x
TOTAL = 2

GRAND TOTAL
5x All NBA, 2x All Defensive = 7 total selections

Recap:
MJ had teammates make All NBA or All Defensive team 15x
LBJ had teammates make All NBA or All Defensive team 7x
This isn't debatable. MJ played with much, much more talent for their respective eras,15 to 7.

All users who keep turning this into another generic MJ vs. Lebron debate, find another thread. This is a topic about something else. A user is allowed to talk about Jordan without it auto generating this same tired topic. Stop de-railing the thread.
- jamaalstar21