Knicks going through the motions with RJ Barrett ?

[Pharmcat]

It seems they have no desire in building around him and just picking up a bunch of players who don’t compliment his play style but highlight his weaknesses.

11 non-spacing power forwards, non-shooting PGs like Frank N. and Payton, when does it stop ? they even wanted Westbrook..

So last year they needlessly signed vets in free agency who didn’t necessarily fit, and this year they took the exact opposite approach and showed restraint, and both of those are huge problems? Seems like that can’t win with you?

The off-season isn’t over yet but I definitely think this years restraint is much smarter than last summers desperation.

knicks need to be using cap space to facilitate trades, like the OKC are doing and picking up picks.

not doing anything is not an option, its an arms race to get better every day

[ChaosHamster]

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Minutes were never an issue. RJ played 30/per last season. Mitch 24 with all his foul troubles. Frank 20.

DSj and Knox were so bad they are lucky they got any time at all.

Knox was getting 30 a night his rookie year and didn't improve at all. Its not about minutes.

[THE J0KER]

They should use RJ and Zion connection and offer Pelicans RJB, Knox, only TOP5 protected 2022 and 2024 for expired Ingram (S&T max deal with him), tanking 2021 season to get 2021 TOP3 pick and as big market team with the empty cap to take FA big name (all-star guard?) in 2021 summer. For the start, that should be enough for the 2022 playoff I guess.

[Pattycakes]

Dropping the Randles, Dennis Smiths, Payton’s etc of the world will all do this team some good. Between RJ, Robinson, Obi and a few pieces of raw potential isn’t a bad start.

[Capn'O]

Knicks need to move Randle to a team like Charlotte or NO and get a point guard back.

Yes.

And use Knox as a PF.

[iLLmatic860]

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Minutes were never an issue. RJ played 30/per last season. Mitch 24 with all his foul troubles. Frank 20.

DSj and Knox were so bad they are lucky they got any time at all.

Knox was getting 30 a night his rookie year and didn't improve at all. Its not about minutes.

We still prioritized Randle even when RJ was having great games. One game rj had like 24 points in the first half on efficient numbers and Payton and Randle would purposely freesze RJ out and not even pass him the ball the whole 2nd half. Thats why knicks fans were so mad at resigning Payton. There was no accountability from Fizdale or Miller

[jimbo7]

I think the knicks did an ok job with the draft of getting guys that fit with rj. Like others have said, obi can shoot and the pg they draft can shoot as well.

I was disappointed with the free agent signings. I think bogdan and Ingram would still be a good signing but they will probably have to give up something so it won’t be matched

[DrCoach]

It seems they have no desire in building around him and just picking up a bunch of players who don’t compliment his play style but highlight his weaknesses.

11 non-spacing power forwards, non-shooting PGs like Frank N. and Payton, when does it stop ? they even wanted Westbrook..

You loose credibility when you spout nonsense

NY has 2-3 PF’s on the team.

They signed 3 players in their prime to one year contracts which means they retain flexibility to sign a player that they like to a longer deal or have easily traded players

They drafted a Guard who shot 43 % in college, Frank and Payton are 2 of the best defensive guards in the league. Which Thibs likes.

[YouthMovement]

It seems they have no desire in building around him and just picking up a bunch of players who don’t compliment his play style but highlight his weaknesses.

11 non-spacing power forwards, non-shooting PGs like Frank N. and Payton, when does it stop ? they even wanted Westbrook..

You loose credibility when you spout nonsense

NY has 2-3 PF’s on the team.

They signed 3 players in their prime to one year contracts which means they retain flexibility to sign a player that they like to a longer deal or have easily traded players

They drafted a Guard who shot 43 % in college, Frank and Payton are 2 of the best defensive guards in the league. Which Thibs likes.

you had me up until payton is one of the best defensive guards in the league...

[Clincher]

It seems they have no desire in building around him and just picking up a bunch of players who don’t compliment his play style but highlight his weaknesses.

11 non-spacing power forwards, non-shooting PGs like Frank N. and Payton, when does it stop ? they even wanted Westbrook..

RJ has 1 year under his belt as a pro, all it takes is hitting 2 picks next draft and all of a sudden the team looks better.

[Clincher]

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Thibs is a vet coach, if a rookie isn't showing he is worthy of getting minutes, they aren't getting minutes. Unless Rose and Perry give him the word from above which I doubt, the young kids have to prove their worth for minutes. Knox getting blown off the ball defensively isn't getting him off the bench for Thibs.

[HotelVitale]

It seems they have no desire in building around him and just picking up a bunch of players who don’t compliment his play style but highlight his weaknesses. 11 non-spacing power forwards, non-shooting PGs like Frank N. and Payton, when does it stop ? they even wanted Westbrook..

This is obvious but a) Barrett has to show he's ready to be built around for them to actually start planning a roster around him and b) the Knicks like all rebuilding teams have to keep options open, keep trying to get some talent in the draft, trades, salary dumps, etc. That's the stage you all are in and it should be the only thing that matters now,

I also don't think it does Barrett any good to have a team custom built to fit all of his needs now. I get that you don't want to build a team that actively hinders his ability to drive etc, but there's absolutely no point in having him max his PPG or his raw numbers now. He was a bad player last year and needs to expand and tune up a lot of his game and he can do that with many different types of lineups.

[iLLmatic860]

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Thibs is a vet coach, if a rookie isn't showing he is worthy of getting minutes, they aren't getting minutes. Unless Rose and Perry give him the word from above which I doubt, the young kids have to prove their worth for minutes. Knox getting blown off the ball defensively isn't getting him off the bench for Thibs.

That is fine. Accountability is what we need. But we did bring in a developmental staff and One of the highest paid assistant coaches from Kentucky on the staff which should help out Knox tremendously playing with his former coach. Then we brought in Johnie Bryant from Jazz who helped develop guys like Dame and D-Mitch. We off to a good start. We need to just keep doing what we doing and not get forced into doing dumb **** by pressure from
Fans,media or Dolan

[DrCoach]

It seems they have no desire in building around him and just picking up a bunch of players who don’t compliment his play style but highlight his weaknesses.

11 non-spacing power forwards, non-shooting PGs like Frank N. and Payton, when does it stop ? they even wanted Westbrook..

You loose credibility when you spout nonsense

NY has 2-3 PF’s on the team.

They signed 3 players in their prime to one year contracts which means they retain flexibility to sign a player that they like to a longer deal or have easily traded players

They drafted a Guard who shot 43 % in college, Frank and Payton are 2 of the best defensive guards in the league. Which Thibs likes.

you had me up until payton is one of the best defensive guards in the league...

Payton is a very good defender

[YouthMovement]

You loose credibility when you spout nonsense

NY has 2-3 PF’s on the team.

They signed 3 players in their prime to one year contracts which means they retain flexibility to sign a player that they like to a longer deal or have easily traded players

They drafted a Guard who shot 43 % in college, Frank and Payton are 2 of the best defensive guards in the league. Which Thibs likes.

you had me up until payton is one of the best defensive guards in the league...

Payton is a very good defender

his 3 year defensive RAPM is not good, neither is his 5 year. and if you simply watch him, which i have often, he simply doesn't try hard enough.

[E-Balla]

The Knicks aren't doing bad. We also only have 2 PFs on the roster. I know they've been shopping Randle but even if they can't dump him he's expiring after next season. We need 3 point shooting wings.

[docholliday99]

I like where the Knicks are heading. Rose is being patient and thorough while also looking to the future - he's already accumulated picks for 2023, the first year when the high school kids can make the jump - Knicks have 4 picks for 2023. Knicks also have 4 picks for next years draft which is supposedly deep. If the Knicks continue to be patient and the fans don't push for win now moves, the Knicks should be in good shape for years.

Looking at the young roster, the Kinicks have some nice pieces to start building on.

Quickley, RJ, Toppin, Mitchell

[elchengue20]

They need a reliable point guard to help develop RJ, Mitch and Toppin.

Elfrid fricking Payton aint it. They should have traded for Rubio or something like that.

[Pointgod]

It seems they have no desire in building around him and just picking up a bunch of players who don’t compliment his play style but highlight his weaknesses.

11 non-spacing power forwards, non-shooting PGs like Frank N. and Payton, when does it stop ? they even wanted Westbrook..

So last year they needlessly signed vets in free agency who didn’t necessarily fit, and this year they took the exact opposite approach and showed restraint, and both of those are huge problems? Seems like that can’t win with you?

The off-season isn’t over yet but I definitely think this years restraint is much smarter than last summers desperation.

knicks need to be using cap space to facilitate trades, like the OKC are doing and picking up picks.

not doing anything is not an option, its an arms race to get better every day

Giving the Knicks credit for not signing horrible contracts and tying up their cap space is like leaving a teenager along for the weekend and giving them credit for not burning down their parents house. IT’S ITS WHAT YOURE SUPPOSED TO DO!

The Knicks need to decide what the hell they’re doing. If you’re going to build around RJ then put him in the Tyreke Evans type role by giving him the ball and surrounding him with shooters and see what you have. If they insist on rebuilding through the draft then fill your team with as many young guys as possible and use salary space to get picks. But this idea of just signing one year contracts to players that don’t actually fit around your franchise player does nothing for team cohesion and development.

[The_Hater]

So last year they needlessly signed vets in free agency who didn’t necessarily fit, and this year they took the exact opposite approach and showed restraint, and both of those are huge problems? Seems like that can’t win with you?

The off-season isn’t over yet but I definitely think this years restraint is much smarter than last summers desperation.

knicks need to be using cap space to facilitate trades, like the OKC are doing and picking up picks.

not doing anything is not an option, its an arms race to get better every day

Giving the Knicks credit for not signing horrible contracts and tying up their cap space is like leaving a teenager along for the weekend and giving them credit for not burning down their parents house. IT’S ITS WHAT YOURE SUPPOSED TO DO!

The Knicks need to decide what the hell they’re doing. If you’re going to build around RJ then put him in the Tyreke Evans type role by giving him the ball and surrounding him with shooters and see what you have. If they insist on rebuilding through the draft then fill your team with as many young guys as possible and use salary space to get picks. But this idea of just signing one year contracts to players that don’t actually fit around your franchise player does nothing for team cohesion and development.

While what you say is true, that doesn’t mean the Knicks and other teams can’t seem to help themselves when they have the opportunity. In fact, most teams will spend freely instead of should patience and restraint when they should.