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Post#21 » by Crizzle » Sun Dec 6, 2020 4:49 pm

Really surprised atl only got 1 game
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Post#22 » by BlueSan » Sun Dec 6, 2020 5:07 pm

I am surprised Wizards didnt get even 1 game
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Post#23 » by ADMVP » Sun Dec 6, 2020 5:30 pm

I'm a pelicans fan but Memphis got robbed.

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Post#24 » by LakersSoul » Sun Dec 6, 2020 5:35 pm

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Bmaasse wrote:The NBA is weird. The Spurs are the most winningest franchise of the last 20 years, and at the end of the day it amounts to nothing. You don't see that in the NFL and MLB.

How does all of that success not equate to a larger fan following? The decision to promote individual players vs actual teams is why the NBA will always be behind the NFL.

The networks want the games that they believe will attract the most viewers. If people tune in primarily to see star players or young exciting talent then that's what they'll air. People simply don't seem to tune in based on how good a franchise used to be in the past, so that's not of primary concern for the networks.


Lakers pre-LeBron still got many games on NTV.

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Post#25 » by LakersSoul » Sun Dec 6, 2020 5:36 pm

BlueSan wrote:I am surprised Wizards didnt get even 1 game


Washington might get a few add-one now that Westy is there and the starting guard duo is now one of the best.

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Post#26 » by Bmaasse » Sun Dec 6, 2020 5:36 pm

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The-Power wrote:The networks want the games that they believe will attract the most viewers. If people tune in primarily to see star players or young exciting talent then that's what they'll air. People simply don't seem to tune in based on how good a franchise used to be in the past, so that's not of primary concern for the networks.


But isn't that due to marketing to a certain extent. That's the league's fault. The time will come when there will be a shortage of superstars, and the league will suffer as a result.

They already look desperate in the way that they try to force Zion down our throats. That's not organic, that's the league pushing that.

They push Zion because it works. Zion attracts, and he has been a (social) media sensation before coming to the NBA already. Do you believe they just decide randomly who to prop up? Or that they deliberately decide not to focus on teams even though it'd work? I believe you really overstate the degree of agency the NBA has here, and undersell the demand the NBA is confronted with and to which it reacts to maximize attention and ratings. Let's put it this way: if other approaches would work better in maximizing revenue, the NBA would pursue them.


Why not just build upon the success that you achieved in the playoffs? I would much rather see more games with the Nuggets and Murray or even the Jazz with Mitchell, than a bunch of games with a young player who hasn't proven anything yet. That series between the Jazz and Utah was arguably the most entertaining of them all. Yet Zion has more nationally televised games than both of those teams combined. Where's the logic in that? You don't think that the league is missing out on an opportunity here?
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Post#27 » by LakersSoul » Sun Dec 6, 2020 5:37 pm

ADMVP wrote:I'm a pelicans fan but Memphis got robbed.

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Agree!!

Ja is a hoot to watch, so explosive. Memphis and ATL should get more games for sure.

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Post#28 » by LakersSoul » Sun Dec 6, 2020 5:39 pm

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But isn't that due to marketing to a certain extent. That's the league's fault. The time will come when there will be a shortage of superstars, and the league will suffer as a result.

They already look desperate in the way that they try to force Zion down our throats. That's not organic, that's the league pushing that.

They push Zion because it works. Zion attracts, and he has been a (social) media sensation before coming to the NBA already. Do you believe they just decide randomly who to prop up? Or that they deliberately decide not to focus on teams even though it'd work? I believe you really overstate the degree of agency the NBA has here, and undersell the demand the NBA is confronted with and to which it reacts to maximize attention and ratings. Let's put it this way: if other approaches would work better in maximizing revenue, the NBA would pursue them.


Why not just build upon the success that you achieved in the playoffs? I would much rather see more games with the Nuggets and Murray or even the Jazz with Mitchell, than a bunch of games with a young player who hasn't proven anything yet. That series between the Jazz and Utah was arguably the most entertaining of them all. Yet Zion has more nationally televised games than both of those teams combined. Where's the logic in that? You don't think that the league is missing out on an opportunity here?


I would bet the Nuggets got more NTV games this year than the average norm, standardized. This was due to the playoff run last season.

They do deserve more games too.

Every team should be at least featured 1-2 times a year even in a shortened season like this one.

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Post#29 » by MTJazzv3 » Sun Dec 6, 2020 5:53 pm

Bmaasse wrote:Why not just build upon the success that you achieved in the playoffs? I would much rather see more games with the Nuggets and Murray or even the Jazz with Mitchell, than a bunch of games with a young player who hasn't proven anything yet. That series between the Jazz and Utah was arguably the most entertaining of them all. Yet Zion has more nationally televised games than both of those teams combined. Where's the logic in that? You don't think that the league is missing out on an opportunity here?


Homer here, but seriously, you'd think there was room in the TV schedule to at least give a new quality playoff rivalry (Jazz v Nuggs) a few more games, not least of those when they are head to head. I could watch Jamal and Mitchell go at it all season lol. What they gonna do when Zion gets injured/load manages? I think the league would do better by picking up more potential high seed rivalries in both conferences - sell the league, not just stars. Has Zion even done anything yet?
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Post#30 » by Swish1906 » Sun Dec 6, 2020 5:58 pm

danvato wrote:Luka is being pushed as much as Zion too. It's not like Dallas has a huge following or a contending team.

I don't think the Celtics will be that much of a draw this year either.


Dallas has a pretty big following in Europe. Also always an entertaining offense.
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Post#31 » by Ckay » Sun Dec 6, 2020 6:10 pm

Ehh Pelicans
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Post#32 » by The-Power » Sun Dec 6, 2020 6:12 pm

Bmaasse wrote:Why not just build upon the success that you achieved in the playoffs? I would much rather see more games with the Nuggets and Murray or even the Jazz with Mitchell, than a bunch of games with a young player who hasn't proven anything yet. That series between the Jazz and Utah was arguably the most entertaining of them all. Yet Zion has more nationally televised games than both of those teams combined. Where's the logic in that? You don't think that the league is missing out on an opportunity here?

Again: the NBA anticipates viewership/public interest. That's what it's about. If you don't like it, which I can understand, then that frustration is more about what casual viewers seek instead of what the NBA does. Also it's not like the good teams don't get more exposure than they'd get if they were bad, i.e. it's not completely detached from current success.

LakersSoul wrote:Lakers pre-LeBron still got many games on NTV.

I don't know the numbers but yeah, because the Lakers attract viewers. That's why a good Lakers team gets plenty of nationally televised games and not-so-good Lakers teams still get some, albeit less. That's indicative of two factors playing a role: overall interest in the franchise (fan-base, name recognition), and interest in superstars (and good teams more generally).
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Post#33 » by Bmaasse » Sun Dec 6, 2020 6:39 pm

The-Power wrote:
Bmaasse wrote:Why not just build upon the success that you achieved in the playoffs? I would much rather see more games with the Nuggets and Murray or even the Jazz with Mitchell, than a bunch of games with a young player who hasn't proven anything yet. That series between the Jazz and Utah was arguably the most entertaining of them all. Yet Zion has more nationally televised games than both of those teams combined. Where's the logic in that? You don't think that the league is missing out on an opportunity here?

Again: the NBA anticipates viewership/public interest. That's what it's about. If you don't like it, which I can understand, then that frustration is more about what casual viewers seek instead of what the NBA does. Also it's not like the good teams don't get more exposure than they'd get if they were bad, i.e. it's not completely detached from current success.

LakersSoul wrote:Lakers pre-LeBron still got many games on NTV.

I don't know the numbers but yeah, because the Lakers attract viewers. That's why a good Lakers team gets plenty of nationally televised games and not-so-good Lakers teams still get some, albeit less. That's indicative of two factors playing a role: overall interest in the franchise (fan-base, name recognition), and interest in superstars (and good teams more generally).


Nah, I actually disagree. The Raptors literally won a championship last year and they got 4 games. This is a team that was great before they got Kawhi, and kept the same level of play after he left, and yet the league rewarded a bad organization who got lucky, over one who built a solid team from the ground up. No wonder why so many teams tank.
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Post#34 » by Bmaasse » Sun Dec 6, 2020 6:50 pm

You guys who are defending this foolishness sound like radio execs saying that "Old town road" had to be played on the radio 30 times a day, because that's all the public wanted to listen to.
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Post#35 » by kg01 » Sun Dec 6, 2020 6:56 pm

Bmaasse wrote:You guys who are defending this foolishness sound like radio execs saying that "Old town road" had to be played on the radio 30 times a day, because that's all the public wanted to listen to.


Gah, now I got that stupid song in my head!!
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Post#36 » by kobe_vs_jordan » Sun Dec 6, 2020 7:08 pm

Bmaasse wrote:
The-Power wrote:
Bmaasse wrote:The NBA is weird. The Spurs are the most winningest franchise of the last 20 years, and at the end of the day it amounts to nothing. You don't see that in the NFL and MLB.

How does all of that success not equate to a larger fan following? The decision to promote individual players vs actual teams is why the NBA will always be behind the NFL.

The networks want the games that they believe will attract the most viewers. If people tune in primarily to see star players or young exciting talent then that's what they'll air. People simply don't seem to tune in based on how good a franchise used to be in the past, so that's not of primary concern for the networks.


But isn't that due to marketing to a certain extent. That's the league's fault. The time will come when there will be a shortage of superstars, and the league will suffer as a result.

They already look desperate in the way that they try to force Zion down our throats. That's not organic, that's the league pushing that.

Zion had one of the biggest followings/ hype coming in the league. Played at Duke. A lot of people want to see him play. NBA should ignore that?
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Post#37 » by Brooklyn91 » Sun Dec 6, 2020 7:12 pm

SSUBluesman wrote:Gone are the days where the Knicks were on tv constantly because New York.

Good to see the Mavs getting so many games, love watching Luka and don't think I'll be able to get LP this year.

Problem for the Knicks is there’s a better team in New York that has superstars with controversial personalities

Nets will be must watch tv for everybody for KD and Kyrie drama alone. If they get harden, then that makes the potential **** and narratives more potent
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Post#38 » by Bmaasse » Sun Dec 6, 2020 7:17 pm

kobe_vs_jordan wrote:
Bmaasse wrote:
The-Power wrote:The networks want the games that they believe will attract the most viewers. If people tune in primarily to see star players or young exciting talent then that's what they'll air. People simply don't seem to tune in based on how good a franchise used to be in the past, so that's not of primary concern for the networks.


But isn't that due to marketing to a certain extent. That's the league's fault. The time will come when there will be a shortage of superstars, and the league will suffer as a result.

They already look desperate in the way that they try to force Zion down our throats. That's not organic, that's the league pushing that.

Zion had one of the biggest followings/ hype coming in the league. Played at Duke. A lot of people want to see him play. NBA should ignore that?


The key word here is "hype". Meanwhile you teams that have proven that they can win year in and year out, and don't get half of the exposure that the kid gets on a bad team. The league is rewarding a bad organization at the expense of those that have been more successful. You don't see a problem with that?
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Post#39 » by kobe_vs_jordan » Sun Dec 6, 2020 7:51 pm

Bmaasse wrote:
kobe_vs_jordan wrote:
Bmaasse wrote:
But isn't that due to marketing to a certain extent. That's the league's fault. The time will come when there will be a shortage of superstars, and the league will suffer as a result.

They already look desperate in the way that they try to force Zion down our throats. That's not organic, that's the league pushing that.

Zion had one of the biggest followings/ hype coming in the league. Played at Duke. A lot of people want to see him play. NBA should ignore that?


The key word here is "hype". Meanwhile you teams that have proven that they can win year in and year out, and don't get half of the exposure that the kid gets on a bad team. The league is rewarding a bad organization at the expense of those that have been more successful. You don't see a problem with that?

So the nba should ignore fan interest is what you trying to say? It’s a star driven league. Not a team driven league.
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Post#40 » by Anfernee1 » Sun Dec 6, 2020 7:54 pm

I am sad my Magic did not get any games but not surprised, they have not been good since Dwight left

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