Lowry's Trade Value

Parataxis · Post #21 » by **Parataxis** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:59 pm

Lockdown504090 wrote:The raptors will trade him wherever he wants to go. If he wants to go to the clippers and save them, I would do Zubac, and all the pick swaps they have with the thunder and a Traded player Exception. Steve Balmer would do it , The CBA allows it, but it would hard cap the clippers next season and only allow them to sign players at around 4 million or something like that.

That being said, there isnt a fair offer out there that trades lowry to a contender, and only a contender would even want him.

They can't trade the pick swaps outright, because of the Stepien rule.

Unless you mean that they'd give Toronto the better of Toronto's pick or (worst of OKC/LAC Pick)? THat's really not very enticing.

13th Man · Post #22 » by **13th Man** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:59 pm

Kawhi and the Clippers need him badly but yeah, not sure what they have to give in return.

eitanr · Post #23 » by **eitanr** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:59 pm

I think there is a 3-way with Boston and NOP that could work. Here is a sample:

BOS Trades: K. Walker, Future 1st
Receives: K. Lowry

NOP Trades: L. Ball, E. Bledsoe, Future MIL 1st
Receives: K. Walker

TOR Trades: K. Lowry
Receives: L. Ball, E. Bledsoe, Future BOS 1st, Future MIL 1st

grindtime22 · Post #24 » by **grindtime22** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:02 pm

Probably a contender 1st rounder and expirings

I understand what he still provides on the court, but he is about to be 35 and only has the 1 year on his deal. Then you have to make a decision on what kind of contract to give him.

anotherhomer · Post #25 » by **anotherhomer** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:02 pm

13th Man wrote:Kawhi and the Clippers need him badly but yeah, not sure what they have to give in return.

it seems the only team/contender that really could use him are:

1) Sixers
2) Clippers

But there's a question, what both teams could give that
a) Does not affect raptors salary cap for next year
b) Make it worthwhile for the raptors

Clippers make a lot of sense but like ppl said, they have nothing to give
sixers also make sense but they don't have much to offer either

Optms · Post #26 » by **Optms** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:03 pm

I wouldn't give up anything. He's a FA and 34 going on 35. Would rather just sign him for peanuts in the off season if he doesn't regress.

Johnny Bball · Post #27 » by **Johnny Bball** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:03 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:I love Lowry. Dallas has limited assets available of course since the team owes 2 picks to the Knicks, but I would give up recent 1st round pick Josh Green and good expirings (THJ and Boban).

If Toronto was willing to take back Dwight Powell, I would do THJ/Powell/Green/25 1st(moderate declining protections) for Lowry.

He's still a very good player, but he makes $30M and is expiring so I feel like that's not an insulting offer.

That would be enough if they were going to move him. I just really doubt they move him, and he retires there.

Not sure they take on any 2021 salary though.

LofJ · Post #28 » by **LofJ** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:04 pm

I thought Lowry was a Raptor lifer? He's more or less synonymous with the success Toronto has had over the last several years. I'd let him retire in Toronto if I was Masai.

JMAC3 · Post #29 » by **JMAC3** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:06 pm

Would not want to trade for him, because then you put yourself in a CP3 situation where you end overpaying a player of that age because of the assets you just gave up. My guess is he will be asking for at least 3/60 after this season and probably more which will be a lot considering his age.

grindtime22 · Post #30 » by **grindtime22** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:07 pm

Lockdown504090 wrote:The raptors will trade him wherever he wants to go. If he wants to go to the clippers and save them, I would do Zubac, and all the pick swaps they have with the thunder and a Traded player Exception. Steve Balmer would do it , The CBA allows it, but it would hard cap the clippers next season and only allow them to sign players at around 4 million or something like that.

That being said, there isnt a fair offer out there that trades lowry to a contender, and only a contender would even want him.

I think you are mixing things/rules together and blending them into your own CBA.

The CBA doesn't allow that kind of trade right now.

Vampirate · Post #31 » by **Vampirate** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:07 pm

grindtime22 wrote:Probably a contender 1st rounder and expirings

I understand what he still provides on the court, but he is about to be 35 and only has the 1 year on his deal. Then you have to make a decision on what kind of contract to give him.

From my understanding the 2 year deal was basically paying Lowry for rewarding him thus the high AAV but since it expires in a year it makes the raptors players in the 2021 FA. Whether they get a high end FA remains to be seen. After that we'll likely give Lowry Dirk contracts until he wants to retire.

I'm pretty sure if Lowry wanted to be traded to a contender the Raptors would oblige, he's earned it.

Put it this way, Lowry and Masai were the catalysts to that 2019 Championship. If not for Lowry, we'd never been in a position to think about getting a superstar (albeit for a year) to push us over the top.

grindtime22 · Post #32 » by **grindtime22** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:09 pm

Vampirate wrote:
grindtime22 wrote:Probably a contender 1st rounder and expirings

I understand what he still provides on the court, but he is about to be 35 and only has the 1 year on his deal. Then you have to make a decision on what kind of contract to give him.

From my understanding the 2 year deal was basically paying Lowry for rewarding him thus the high AAV but since it expires in a year it makes the raptors players in the 2021 FA. Whether they get a high end FA remains to be seen. After that we'll likely give Lowry Dirk contracts until he wants to retire.

I'm pretty sure if Lowry wanted to be traded to a contender the Raptors would oblige, he's earned it.

Put it this way, Lowry and Masai were the catalysts to that 2019 Championship. If not for Lowry, we'd never been in a position to think about getting a superstar (albeit for a year) to push us over the top.

No argument with any of that.

I honestly think he has earned every penny up to this point with or without the title. I would want him on my team. I just don't know how much I'm giving up when trying to project forward. Hopefully, he retires a Raptor.

Mister Ze · Post #33 » by **Mister Ze** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:15 pm

I could see a 6-10 seed eager to make the playoffs at the trade deadline make an offer for Lowry

I could also see a team looking to free up cap space make a move for him - but I doubt the Raps would take anything long term.

MGB8 · Post #34 » by **MGB8** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:16 pm

The person who mentioned the Pacers (for Oladipo and change, say McDermot) might be on to something.

If the Pacers think Dipo is going to walk anyway, and want to push into the playoffs, Lowry could make sense for them. It would slide Brogdon over to the 2, Holiday/Lamb at the 3, Warren at the 4...

Or even Myles Turner + Lamb for Lowry - play Dipo as a smaller 3.

NoZoLakers · Post #35 » by **NoZoLakers** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:19 pm

if La didnt trade for Shroeder wouldve given same offer for Lowry and I dont think Jrue trade value should be tied to Lowry, different situation due to Giannis. I could see Tor netting 2 1st (one being heavily protected) with a player that has another 2 yr left on their deal

Post #36 » by **oldncreaky** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:20 pm

Philly, Milwaukee and the Clippers should all be interested because he would GREATLY increase each of those team's chances by solving an obvious PG problem. Unfortunately none of those teams really have the assets available.

Trades that make sense for Toronto would include an expiring rotation big, picks, and definitely NO money beyond next year that it takes assets to move. They don't need guards -- they've got at least 5 guards other than Lowry who need minutes right now, 3 more G/F players under contract, and a couple of prospects beyond that.

It is hard to see a trade where it isn't better for Toronto to just keep him, and let the next off-season play out and see what they can sign into a max-level salary slot

mademan · Post #37 » by **mademan** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:24 pm

Optms wrote:I wouldn't give up anything. He's a FA and 34 going on 35. Would rather just sign him for peanuts in the off season if he doesn't regress.

why would he come for peanuts if he doesnt regress? Lowry's made decent money in his career, but it's not like he was a superstar who made a quarter billion. If he's still great, in a year where every team has cap space, youre gonna have to actually pay him to get him

vulture · Post #38 » by **vulture** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:27 pm

Lowry is not extension eligible so him sitting is moot.

Unless Lowry requests a trade he’s not going anywhere since his expiring contract is basically the max space for this coming offseason

mademan · Post #39 » by **mademan** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:27 pm

If Philly could find an expiring for Harris, i think a 1st would be enough from them. Allows Lowry to go home too and contend for a title. Tho it would be pretty difficult to find an expiring for Harris and Raps arent gonna want to eat his contract

Anticon · Post #40 » by **Anticon** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:33 pm

MGB8 wrote:The person who mentioned the Pacers (for Oladipo and change, say McDermot) might be on to something.

If the Pacers think Dipo is going to walk anyway, and want to push into the playoffs, Lowry could make sense for them. It would slide Brogdon over to the 2, Holiday/Lamb at the 3, Warren at the 4...

Or even Myles Turner + Lamb for Lowry - play Dipo as a smaller 3.

It's interesting in a vacuum but I don't know about the cap implications of having Dipo on the roster for next year's cap space. Would probably need to renounce his cap hold of they wanted to try for Giannis.

But I guess he's be the backup plan if Giannis didn't sign and presuming he didn't bolt elsewhere in the interim.