George Hill not happy about COVID protocols

TheNewEra · Post #21 » by **TheNewEra** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:42 am

Hill should sit out and give up his deal. I also agree he wouldn’t be doing this if on a contending team

Post #22 » by **Harry Garris** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:46 am

Adam Silver just needs to grow a pair and be willing to slap down some damn fines and suspensions for breaking covid protocol. That's what the NFL did this year and it worked. There were several covid outbreaks among NFL players this year, but they were found and contained immediately and teams were fined for not obeying protocol. I can't believe I'm saying this but the NFL actually had a better management plan than the NBA does this year for handling covid.

righterwriter · Post #23 » by **righterwriter** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:47 am

I have sympathy for him. It's a tough season to deal with. But this is just the reality to keep the season going.

I don't think the NBA is denying players the right to be with their family. Maybe he's talking about a suggestion that they shouldn't meet with people outside their immediate family unit, which is what most people being safe around the world are doing to be careful.

At the end of the day, it's his choice. If he can't do his part, he's gotta opt out. Don't try to drag everyone else down with you though.

Post #24 » by **Harry Garris** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:48 am

RB34 wrote:Don’t play then George Hill.

Your employer has set the rules, if you don’t like it you can always play in an organisation that doesn’t have covid protocols.

George Hill can do whatever he wants. The NBA isn't going to do anything about it. Adam Silver is completely terrified of the players. He's not about to start handing out fines or suspensions for players going to see their family.

Harden had to hang out maskless in strip clubs for over a week after he was supposed to report to camp and all the NBA did was give him a tiny slap on the wrist fine for it. They didn't even withhold his pay. The players run this league, Adam Silver and the owners have no power to enforce anything anymore.

Dupp · Post #25 » by **Dupp** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:03 am

He’s kinda right but there’s a middle ground somewhere

XtremeDunkz · Post #26 » by **XtremeDunkz** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:14 am

So sit home and give up your salary this season.

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ItsDanger · Post #27 » by **ItsDanger** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:15 am

NBA approaching herd immunity in record time. LOL

Infinite Llamas · Post #28 » by **Infinite Llamas** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:19 am

Once again we have an established vet that has made a lifetime of earnings trying to plant the seeds of doubt into the whole operation while you have young guys and two way guys just trying to get their feet wet and earn their money. These guys don’t have millions to fall back on and I’m sure they want to play.

azwfan · Post #29 » by **azwfan** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:19 am

AussieCeltic wrote:Every workplace has had to change the way they do business due to COVID. The NBA isn't some rare case. I can't just go to my employer "No, I don't like the rules you've put in place" or my ass would be fired.

He has a right not to play if he wants, but you better forfeit that money you're getting paid while you're at it.

Not sure where you work, but if you can't even voice your displeasure with your employers covid steps you may want to consider a different employer.

Now... after voicing your concern, your employer may give you an ultimatum and then you got a choice to make... but you should be able to at least voice your concern.

Post #30 » by **Nuntius** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:29 am

From the wiretap:

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/261146/Multiple-NBA-Players-Have-Positive-COVID-19-Test-For-Second-Time

Multiple NBA players have tested positive for COVID-19 for a second time.

The CDC defines "reinfection" as a person getting infection, recovering and then later becoming infected again. There are ongoing studies about how long immunity might last, but the CDC says it expects some coronavirus reinfections.

While the NBA has announced more than 100 positive tests since last summer, the actual number is believed to be significantly higher.

Several teams have more than 10 players who have tested positive at some point over the past nine months. There is some uncertainty about the number of actual positive tests there were during the NBA's three-month shutdown.

So, yeah, maybe they shouldn't be playing. The NBA did a great job with the bubble but they seem to have botched it this time around. I love watching my team play but not if it's at the expense of the players. That's a valid concern, imo.

NY 567 · Post #31 » by **NY 567** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:30 am

Society in general has gone way to far with this Covid lunacy. This is a free country. Good for George Hill

shotsquatch · Post #32 » by **shotsquatch** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:34 am

Dr Aki wrote:I always thought Hill was one of the more mature ones.

Maybe he's cracked

A persistent but often overlooked truth about professional sports: these guys don't get paid to be smart.

I sympathize with his frustration, but based on his comment it's clear he doesn't understand that the protocols are there to keep him and his family safe, and that without them the season would be even more chaotic than it already has been.

righterwriter · Post #33 » by **righterwriter** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:34 am

Nuntius wrote:From the wiretap:

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/261146/Multiple-NBA-Players-Have-Positive-COVID-19-Test-For-Second-Time

Multiple NBA players have tested positive for COVID-19 for a second time.

The CDC defines "reinfection" as a person getting infection, recovering and then later becoming infected again. There are ongoing studies about how long immunity might last, but the CDC says it expects some coronavirus reinfections.

While the NBA has announced more than 100 positive tests since last summer, the actual number is believed to be significantly higher.

Several teams have more than 10 players who have tested positive at some point over the past nine months. There is some uncertainty about the number of actual positive tests there were during the NBA's three-month shutdown.

So, yeah, maybe they shouldn't be playing. The NBA did a great job with the bubble but they seem to have botched it this time around. I love watching my team play but not if it's at the expense of the players. That's a valid concern, imo.

Or maybe all the guys who don't think they can handle it should just opt out, rather than risking the safety of the guys that are committed.

Post #34 » by **Nuntius** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:40 am

righterwriter wrote:
Nuntius wrote:From the wiretap:

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/261146/Multiple-NBA-Players-Have-Positive-COVID-19-Test-For-Second-Time

Multiple NBA players have tested positive for COVID-19 for a second time.

The CDC defines "reinfection" as a person getting infection, recovering and then later becoming infected again. There are ongoing studies about how long immunity might last, but the CDC says it expects some coronavirus reinfections.

While the NBA has announced more than 100 positive tests since last summer, the actual number is believed to be significantly higher.

Several teams have more than 10 players who have tested positive at some point over the past nine months. There is some uncertainty about the number of actual positive tests there were during the NBA's three-month shutdown.

So, yeah, maybe they shouldn't be playing. The NBA did a great job with the bubble but they seem to have botched it this time around. I love watching my team play but not if it's at the expense of the players. That's a valid concern, imo.

Or maybe all the guys who don't think they can handle it should just opt out, rather than risking the safety of the guys that are committed.

Committed or not, are the curret NBA protocols enough? Do they accomplish what they're supposed to accomplish? It doesn't look to me like the protocols are enough. If they were, we wouldn't be seeing these re-infections or the kind of situations we saw with Houston, Boston, Philly and Dallas.

The way that the NBA has gone about this season doesn't seem to be very well-thought to me. I believe that they are forcing the season to go through to not lose revenue at the same time that the best option (given the trajectory of the pandemic) would be to simply shut the season down temporarily.

Else_where · Post #35 » by **Else_where** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:42 am

316Hornets wrote:Pay me 15k a game(minimum salary) and I'll gladly live in a prison cell rest of season.

righterwriter · Post #36 » by **righterwriter** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:45 am

Nuntius wrote:
righterwriter wrote:
Nuntius wrote:From the wiretap:

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/261146/Multiple-NBA-Players-Have-Positive-COVID-19-Test-For-Second-Time

So, yeah, maybe they shouldn't be playing. The NBA did a great job with the bubble but they seem to have botched it this time around. I love watching my team play but not if it's at the expense of the players. That's a valid concern, imo.

Or maybe all the guys who don't think they can handle it should just opt out, rather than risking the safety of the guys that are committed.

Committed or not, are the curret NBA protocols enough? Do they accomplish what they're supposed to accomplish? It doesn't look to me like the protocols are enough. If they were, we wouldn't be seeing these re-infections or the kind of situations we saw with Houston, Boston, Philly and Dallas.

The way that the NBA has gone about this season doesn't seem to be very well-thought to me. I believe that they are forcing the season to go through to not lose revenue at the same time that the best option (given the trajectory of the pandemic) would be to simply shut the season down temporarily.

It's definitely being done to not lose revenue. The future of the league depends on them being able to pull this season off. Giving up billions is going to hurt the teams and players for years.

I'm not sure which protocols are failing. Do you have some examples of what is inadequate?

To me it likely comes down to whether the players have the fortitude and discipline to limit their interactions to the bare minimum for the next few months and get this done. If they collectively can do that, they win. If they can't, everyone loses.

Post #37 » by **Nuntius** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:52 am

righterwriter wrote:
Nuntius wrote:
righterwriter wrote:
Or maybe all the guys who don't think they can handle it should just opt out, rather than risking the safety of the guys that are committed.

Committed or not, are the curret NBA protocols enough? Do they accomplish what they're supposed to accomplish? It doesn't look to me like the protocols are enough. If they were, we wouldn't be seeing these re-infections or the kind of situations we saw with Houston, Boston, Philly and Dallas.

The way that the NBA has gone about this season doesn't seem to be very well-thought to me. I believe that they are forcing the season to go through to not lose revenue at the same time that the best option (given the trajectory of the pandemic) would be to simply shut the season down temporarily.

It's definitely being done to not lose revenue. The future of the league depends on them being able to pull this season off. Giving up billions is going to hurt the teams and players for years.

I'm not sure which protocols are failing. Do you have some examples of what is inadequate?

To me it likely comes down to whether the players have the fortitude and discipline to limit their interactions to the bare minimum for the next few months and get this done. If they collectively can do that, they win. If they can't, everyone loses.

The only examples I have is what we already know about. The debacle with Houston to start the season, the reported re-infections and all the postponed games we've seen as of late (Boston, Philly, Miami, Dallas all have been hit hard). I'm not sure which protocols exactly are failing either but it's clear to me that something actually is failing. If it didn't, we wouldn't have these postponements after all.

I understand that there's a lot of money for the league and the players at stake here but I don't believe that the future of the league depends on them pulling this season off. I believe that the league will be able to survive even if this season was to be lost and I believe that the most prudent move is to put health first.

XtremeDunkz · Post #38 » by **XtremeDunkz** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:58 am

People have to stop saying things like "its just a game, they are doing it for your entertainment it's not important."

Its a business first and foremost. A business that employees thousands of people and is intertwined with many other ventures. You can't just "shut it down".

Everyone needs to make money and put food on the table and pay the mortgage.

Any players that don't like it should be allowed to sit home and forfeit their salary like the NFL allowed.

But if you want to get paid. Suit up, follow the rules and shut up.

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Phreak50 · Post #39 » by **Phreak50** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:04 am

And people wonder why the country is in such a state with this pandemic.

SparksAC · Post #40 » by **SparksAC** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:10 am

NBA is doing it's best to protect its players while giving the ability for players to make that money. To be honest if you don't want to play, then go home but don't get paid. Same thing as us folks working. Do they want to get paid millions and not do anything? Sign me up.