Cam Reddish is terrible...

Post #21 » by **Duffman100** » Thu Feb 4, 2021 2:46 pm

He's what, 12 years old? People have no patience.

The_Hater · Post #22 » by **The_Hater** » Thu Feb 4, 2021 2:47 pm

limbo wrote:
Spud2nique wrote:
limbo wrote:And he's costing the Hawks a lot of games. That's all.

Looking forward to Hawks fan telling me how he's not and rationalize it based on his 'superstar potential on both ends'.

Wait till next Wednesday before you talk. He’s got another shot against you guys! He’s inconsistent yes but his ceiling is higher than Luka.

He strikes me as Wiggins-esque so far... Able to make incremental imprints on the game due to his size and athleticism on both ends, but ultimately, his shot, vision and IQ is so bad that he ends up mucking up more possessions than not.

I gave him a pass last year due to how all over the place the Hawks roster was, but this year he's playing with one of the best frontcourts in the league (Capella, Collins, Gallo, Hunter have all played great) and Trae is obviously elite offensively and they even improved their bench... Yet Reddish is still as bad as he was last year.

The Hawks might have to make a decision soon because there's a lot of cooks in the kitchen rn and Reddish needs A LOT of time, focus and opportunity to develop on offense... They might be forced to choose between gambling on his potential moving forward or trying to compete around Trae/JC and vets... Right now they're trying to do both and the results are stuck in the middle.

Reaching a Wiggins level would require Reddish to improve significantly over the next couple of seasons. Right now is offense is closer to this level: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/tskitni01.html

_qubik · Post #23 » by **_qubik** » Thu Feb 4, 2021 2:51 pm

This Hawks team is at the same time experienced and inexperienced, they have a lot of expensive vets that are often injured and cant play, and they have a lot of young guys that need to learn a lot. Probably they are losing their second best player in John Collins too. And Trae Young isnt a winning player also. So, I guess Cam fits nicely, he is inexperienced and doesnt know how to play. He is as bad as the Hawks as a team is. He inst going anywhere, so does the Hawks

shakes0 · Post #24 » by **shakes0** » Thu Feb 4, 2021 2:51 pm

limbo wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:2nd year guy who was a known project when drafted having some struggles. Not sure what is thread worthy about this honestly.

Stop acting like the dude was seen as Mo Bamba or something coming into the draft...

He was one of the most touted players of his class in college and unlike Bamba who was drafted in a situation where he has to compete for his minutes/role against the likes of Vuc and Isaac (whenever he was healthy), Reddish was given a far bigger role and more freedom from the Hawks since day 1 and has little to show from it...

The problem is, the Hawks are clearly looking to compete, as they have indicated by signing Capela, Bogdan, Gallo, Rondo and Dunn... So this means Reddish will have lesser margins for error and less resources to develop...

They need to decide whether they want to maximize their ability to win games or are they in the market of developing their young talent... Doing both at the same time will yield mediocre results in both areas.

as a Hawks fan I can't argue with anything in this post.

shakes0 · Post #25 » by **shakes0** » Thu Feb 4, 2021 2:53 pm

_qubik wrote:This Hawks team is at the same time experienced and inexperienced, they have a lot of expensive vets that are often injured and cant play, and they have a lot of young guys that need to learn a lot. Probably they are losing their second best player in John Collins too. And Trae Young isnt a winning player also. So, I guess Cam fits nicely, he is inexperienced and doesnt know how to play. He is as bad as the Hawks as a team is. He inst going anywhere, so does the Hawks

Speaking of teams that aren't going anywhere, how are your Heat doing? :lol:

Sorry, no artificially inflated bubble play to help them this year.

Dutchball97 · Post #26 » by **Dutchball97** » Thu Feb 4, 2021 3:14 pm

Sure you can say he has youth on his side but for all the talk about potential he has shown very little of it yet. Last year both Reddish and De'Andre Hunter were among the worst players in the league but that was the case for the majority of rookies playing relatively big minutes. This year so far Hunter has been outstanding for the Hawks. On the team he's 4th in PER, WS and WS/48 (all only behind Trae, Collins and Capela), 3rd in BPM (behind Trae and Capela) and in a 3-way tie for 2nd in VORP with Collins and Capela. By all definitions Hunter went from barely even good enough to play in the NBA last year to an above average starter this year.

In the meantime Reddish is playing just about as bad as he did last year. On the Hawks he ranks 11th in PER, tied for 9th in WS with Rondo, 12th in WS/48, 12th in BPM and 16th in VORP.

BK_2020 · Post #27 » by **BK_2020** » Thu Feb 4, 2021 3:18 pm

Atlanta would be over .500 if they just cut Reddish in the offseason and played some 4 on 5 28 minutes every game. He's awful. He plays like he learned how to play basketball by having someone describe it over the phone.

Jadoogar · Post #28 » by **Jadoogar** » Thu Feb 4, 2021 3:22 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:2nd year guy who was a known project when drafted having some struggles. Not sure what is thread worthy about this honestly.

Well that one guy seems to think his ceiling is higher than Luka

DroseReturnChi · Post #29 » by **DroseReturnChi** » Thu Feb 4, 2021 4:05 pm

lebron3-14-3 wrote:
Spud2nique wrote:
limbo wrote:And he's costing the Hawks a lot of games. That's all.

Looking forward to Hawks fan telling me how he's not and rationalize it based on his 'superstar potential on both ends'.

Wait till next Wednesday before you talk. He’s got another shot against you guys! He’s inconsistent yes but his ceiling is higher than Luka.

Is this guy serious?

hes gone insane. Any doctor here?

LloydFree · Post #30 » by **LloydFree** » Thu Feb 4, 2021 4:33 pm

LOL. It's hilarious how many Luka fans are so invested in the burying of Cam Reddish.

matt6715 · Post #31 » by **matt6715** » Thu Feb 4, 2021 4:48 pm

The draft is a crapshoot and it looks like they hit a home run with Deandre Hunter, so it really doesn't matter as much

raptor jesus · Post #32 » by **raptor jesus** » Thu Feb 4, 2021 4:55 pm

It's too early of course, but I wouldn't buy stock in Reddish. He wasn't good in college either. His "potential" seems to be mostly based on his High School career.

LukaV · Post #33 » by **LukaV** » Thu Feb 4, 2021 5:05 pm

Too early to tell, give him time, some players hit their stride after a bit longer than the rest.

Post #34 » by **Duke4life831** » Thu Feb 4, 2021 5:10 pm

Wasn’t it early on in the season we had a look how good Cam has become thread?

If you have followed Cam before the NBA you would know this is Cam. The first word to describe scam going back to high school would be inconsistent. Cam would flash some high end potential then for 5-6 games he wouldn’t even look like a player that should go to a top end college. At Duke Cam would show flashes of a top 10 pick, then go 5-6 games of looking like someone who shouldn’t even be mentioned as someone who should go to the NBA. And you end up realizing the bad Cam shows up far far more than the Cam that shows flashes.

The thing is though, it’s so easy to buy into the flashes and potential. He has tremendous size, at times he can play some fantastic defense, he has great form on his jumper. So when he shows those flashes, it’s so easy for you to look at everything and think to yourself, oh sooner or later he’s going to put this all together.

JonFromVA · Post #35 » by **JonFromVA** » Thu Feb 4, 2021 5:11 pm

raptor jesus wrote:It's too early of course, but I wouldn't buy stock in Reddish. He wasn't good in college either. His "potential" seems to be mostly based on his High School career.

Plus people liked the look of his 3pt shot, even if it wasn't very consistent at Duke; and thought he had the potential to be a high-level wing defender.

It's one thing to draft one and done players who had success at the college level in the lottery, but it's literally like the Darius Miles days when they started reaching for HS players based on athletic profile. Interestingly enough, Miles started turning in to a useful NBA player around the age of 24, but was brought down by a knee injury.

Lockdown504090 · Post #36 » by **Lockdown504090** » Thu Feb 4, 2021 5:14 pm

shakes0 wrote:
_qubik wrote:This Hawks team is at the same time experienced and inexperienced, they have a lot of expensive vets that are often injured and cant play, and they have a lot of young guys that need to learn a lot. Probably they are losing their second best player in John Collins too. And Trae Young isnt a winning player also. So, I guess Cam fits nicely, he is inexperienced and doesnt know how to play. He is as bad as the Hawks as a team is. He inst going anywhere, so does the Hawks

Speaking of teams that aren't going anywhere, how are your Heat doing? Sorry, no artificially inflated bubble play to help them this year.

what would the hawks record be in your opinion if trae young only played in 9 games.

Jay_Sizzle · Post #37 » by **Jay_Sizzle** » Thu Feb 4, 2021 5:17 pm

Yeah, but look how well DeAndre Hunter has played. 1 out of 2 high picks is not bad.

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shakes0 · Post #38 » by **shakes0** » Thu Feb 4, 2021 5:30 pm

Lockdown504090 wrote:
shakes0 wrote:
_qubik wrote:This Hawks team is at the same time experienced and inexperienced, they have a lot of expensive vets that are often injured and cant play, and they have a lot of young guys that need to learn a lot. Probably they are losing their second best player in John Collins too. And Trae Young isnt a winning player also. So, I guess Cam fits nicely, he is inexperienced and doesnt know how to play. He is as bad as the Hawks as a team is. He inst going anywhere, so does the Hawks

Speaking of teams that aren't going anywhere, how are your Heat doing? Sorry, no artificially inflated bubble play to help them this year.

what would the hawks record be in your opinion if trae young only played in 9 games.

What would the Hawks record be if Bogi, Dunn, Gallo and Okongwu were healthy all year?

Lockdown504090 · Post #39 » by **Lockdown504090** » Thu Feb 4, 2021 5:48 pm

shakes0 wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:
shakes0 wrote:

Speaking of teams that aren't going anywhere, how are your Heat doing? Sorry, no artificially inflated bubble play to help them this year.

what would the hawks record be in your opinion if trae young only played in 9 games.

What would the Hawks record be if Bogi, Dunn, Gallo and Okongwu were healthy all year?

no idea, but i know the heat made the finals when healthy.

kg01 · Post #40 » by **kg01** » Thu Feb 4, 2021 6:04 pm

Lockdown504090 wrote:
shakes0 wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:what would the hawks record be in your opinion if trae young only played in 9 games.

What would the Hawks record be if Bogi, Dunn, Gallo and Okongwu were healthy all year?

no idea, but i know the heat made the finals when healthy.

I thought 'culture' won all them playoff games. Shouldn't matter if Jimi's out or not.