Curry V Magic

[WarriorGM]

Large majority of people in the Curry exposed thread ridiculed the OP for his biased Curry bashing though. I'm not sure why you think the PC board is anti-Curry as a whole. Is it because he was ranked only 24th in the top 100?

My only reaction to that compromised project was that Curry as the 24th selection made the list a farce—and I only bothered to say that because Curry was leading in the voting for 23rd spot but then the one tallying the votes disregarded a couple of votes for Curry for who knows what reason—so Chris Paul could be selected instead. The entire situation was risible.

Curry being selected 24th makes that list a farce on its own, the circumstances around it made it much more so. Apparently such warranted criticism was too much for them over there. No matter. As far as I'm concerned anyone who supported the fallout looks as silly as those backing the premise of the Curry is totally exposed thread.

It should have been obvious to anyone early on that knows basketball that Curry has a ticket stamped for the all-time NBA top 10 barring a disaster. That the denizens of that forum are resistant or would take affront to the idea that Curry could be mentioned or compared to any other great basketball player be it Magic or Jordan just shows how little they know. As probably the most prescient poster when it comes to Curry that posted over there I consider my being barred from posting there an honor and an indictment on that forum's closed-mindedness.

You do get that's just your opinion though, right? I voted for Curry around 15th because I think his prime already stacks up well among the best ever but different people have different criteria for All-Time lists. If someone values single season peak over anything else or the opposite scenario with people where even replacement level seasons hold significant sway, what about that makes it a farce?

You were the only one making a big deal out of it though because it wasn't a couple of votes that were disregarded, be honest.

Curry's 2015 to 2019 is arguably the greatest 5 consecutive years of any basketball player's career. After Jordan's first three-peat in 1993 people were proclaiming him the greatest player ever. But Curry produces a similar if not greater span of basketball and that forum ranks him 24th! Ha ha ha ha!

Yes people have their own opinions. But while they get grumpy when I express mine, I end up laughing when they express theirs. But in a real discussion forum it shouldn't matter.

As I recall I wasn't the only one expressing concern. Indeed all I did was call the exercise a farce. The one whose vote was disregarded, I don't quite remember the handle, complained. Another poster who is a mod expressed surprise.

[70sFan]

WarriorGM believes that you have to be Curry hater to have Magic over Curry. That should tell you all you need to know.

[WarriorGM]

WarriorGM believes that you have to be Curry hater to have Magic over Curry. That should tell you all you need to know.

Putting words into someone else's mouth. Yes that happened all the time over there.

[70sFan]

WarriorGM believes that you have to be Curry hater to have Magic over Curry. That should tell you all you need to know.

Putting words into someone else's mouth. Yes that happened all the time over there.

You want me to dig your old posts about Magic vs Curry?

[WarriorGM]

WarriorGM believes that you have to be Curry hater to have Magic over Curry. That should tell you all you need to know.

Putting words into someone else's mouth. Yes that happened all the time over there.

You want me to dig your old posts about Magic vs Curry?

Is that what you spend your time doing? You might as well if you think it is so important. But sounds like a waste of time to me.

[JN61]

WarriorGM believes that you have to be Curry hater to have Magic over Curry. That should tell you all you need to know.

That has been my experience as well. I picked Oscar and West over Curry and got similar treatment in an another thread. Like having Curry as 4th best point guard ever whose career is still unfinished is a major crime.

[WarriorGM]

WarriorGM believes that you have to be Curry hater to have Magic over Curry. That should tell you all you need to know.

That has been my experience as well. I picked Oscar and West over Curry and got similar treatment in an another thread. Like having Curry as 4th best point guard ever whose career is still unfinished is a major crime.

I show up to Curry related threads because I think he's great. JN61 shows up to Curry threads because...?

[70sFan]

Putting words into someone else's mouth. Yes that happened all the time over there.

You want me to dig your old posts about Magic vs Curry?

Is that what you spend your time doing? You might as well if you think it is so important. But sounds like a waste of time to me.

No, I won't do that. I'm not the only one who has similar experience of trying to discuss with you.

[WarriorGM]

You want me to dig your old posts about Magic vs Curry?

Is that what you spend your time doing? You might as well if you think it is so important. But sounds like a waste of time to me.

No, I won't do that. I'm not the only one who has similar experience of trying to discuss with you.

I take a pro-Curry position and then provide data to support it. That seems to offend people. That's my experience.

[Dutchball97]

Is that what you spend your time doing? You might as well if you think it is so important. But sounds like a waste of time to me.

No, I won't do that. I'm not the only one who has similar experience of trying to discuss with you.

I take a pro-Curry position and then provide data to support it. That seems to offend people. That's my experience.

What data exactly? So far I've seen you say Curry has had the greatest 5 year stretch ever but nothing backing it up.

[70sFan]

Is that what you spend your time doing? You might as well if you think it is so important. But sounds like a waste of time to me.

No, I won't do that. I'm not the only one who has similar experience of trying to discuss with you.

I take a pro-Curry position and then provide data to support it. That seems to offend people. That's my experience.

Nobody is offended by arguing for Curry. It's you who are offended when someone takes different conclusions than you from these stats.

Seriously, you attacked me in different thread because I said that Jerry West (one of the best scorers ever) could be argued over Curry as a scorer because he led comparable offenses in playoffs with worse supporting casts and was more resiliant against top defenses.

Your reply was that West's teams lost, so nothing of that really mattered. Then you kept making mistakes (West played with Baylor in 1965 playoffs, West lost vs Bucks in 1971...) because you don't know that much about NBA history. All you do is try to push your agenda of Curry being GOAT, while downgrading other superstars.

I'm not offended by pro-Curry posters. In recent years, I got much higher appreciation of Curry's game and I consider him to be among the best offensive players ever. Yet you'll always attack my points, because I see other ATGs who could be ranked on the same level...

[druggas]

Don't we have a compare forum for exactly these purposes? Why make this in the general board?

[WarriorGM]

No, I won't do that. I'm not the only one who has similar experience of trying to discuss with you.

I take a pro-Curry position and then provide data to support it. That seems to offend people. That's my experience.

What data exactly? So far I've seen you say Curry has had the greatest 5 year stretch ever but nothing backing it up.

Do you really need it enumerated? I would have thought anyone anyone remotely acquainted with the past few years of the NBA would know. But let's see 3 championships in 5 finals appearances in the modern era coming out of the west. Record 73-win regular season. Record 16-1 playoffs. Led a team to three straight 67-plus-win seasons. Led a team full of finals newbies to a championship in their first finals appearance and dispatched the rest of the All-NBA First Team on the way. Defeated the prior and succeeding MVPs playing together in a playoffs series. Disposed of his two greatest rival guards of the era playing together in a playoffs series. Came back from double digit deficits at the half of game 6 and game 7 elimination games to ultimately triumph in two playoffs series.

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Nobody is offended by arguing for Curry. It's you who are offended when someone takes different conclusions than you from these stats.

There you go again, this time presuming to know how I feel.

Seriously, you attacked me in different thread because I said that Jerry West (one of the best scorers ever) could be argued over Curry as a scorer because he led comparable offenses in playoffs with worse supporting casts and was more resiliant against top defenses.

Your reply was that West's teams lost, so nothing of that really mattered. Then you kept making mistakes (West played with Baylor in 1965 playoffs, West lost vs Bucks in 1971...) because you don't know that much about NBA history. All you do is try to push your agenda of Curry being GOAT, while downgrading other superstars.

I didn't attack you. I argued with you. Is disagreeing with you an attack?

You made your own mistakes like insisting that West didn't play with a top player in one of those years. Whereas my mistakes didn't really affect the overall point I was making, West did lose to the Knicks and not just the Celtics, yours did with the point you were making.

I'm not offended by pro-Curry posters. In recent years, I got much higher appreciation of Curry's game and I consider him to be among the best offensive players ever. Yet you'll always attack my points, because I see other ATGs who could be ranked on the same level...

Well if you'll permit me to be a little snarky here, I think seeing how that "Curry has been totally exposed" thread backfired got people to have a higher appreciation of Curry's game.

[70sFan]

Seriously, you attacked me in different thread because I said that Jerry West (one of the best scorers ever) could be argued over Curry as a scorer because he led comparable offenses in playoffs with worse supporting casts and was more resiliant against top defenses.

Your reply was that West's teams lost, so nothing of that really mattered. Then you kept making mistakes (West played with Baylor in 1965 playoffs, West lost vs Bucks in 1971...) because you don't know that much about NBA history. All you do is try to push your agenda of Curry being GOAT, while downgrading other superstars.

I didn't attack you. I argued with you. Is disagreeing with you an attack?

You made your own mistakes like insisting that West didn't play with a top player in one of those years. Whereas my mistakes didn't really affect the overall point I was making, West did lose to the Knicks and not just the Celtics, yours did with the point you were making.

Yeah, because West didn't play with a top player in 1965 playoffs. He also didn't play with one of top players in 1966-68 period, Baylor wasn't superstar at this point. He got all-nba awards because of reputation, but he wasn't real MVP candidate in this period. When they added Wilt, it's another matter but Wilt himself was past prime after 1969 injury.

I'm not offended by pro-Curry posters. In recent years, I got much higher appreciation of Curry's game and I consider him to be among the best offensive players ever. Yet you'll always attack my points, because I see other ATGs who could be ranked on the same level...

Well if you'll permit me to be a little snarky here, I think seeing how that "Curry has been totally exposed" thread backfired got people to have a higher appreciation of Curry's game.

I haven't posted even once in this thread, I didn't even open it once. This was a clear troll attempt and people got excited because Warriors sucks this year. I'm not stupid, I can differentiate the difference between team playing bad and player playing bad.

Before this season, you couldn't do that but now you have to to protect Curry. Before this season, you always said that results matter and Warriors have pretty weak results this year.

[WarriorGM]

Before this season, you couldn't do that but now you have to to protect Curry. Before this season, you always said that results matter and Warriors have pretty weak results this year.

When I refer to results I don't limit the meaning to just the wins record. Results encompass the surrounding context. For example I didn't conclusively reject the claim Harden>Curry until the 2019 WCSF because of the argument Curry supposedly had the better team which although I didn't really believe I did recognize might have some merit. Harden after having a season that was arguably greater than Jordan's best couldn't close against Curry despite being given a full half head start. He and Paul didn't even play badly. Curry simply blasted by them. Just Curry things.

It's also because of the context of the results that I rate Curry so highly. Curry isn't just having winning results he is setting record results. And he is doing it with what? Draymond Green and Klay Thompson? I wonder as a Spurs fan if you'd rate those two higher than Manu and Parker.

Regarding this year I don't see Curry having weak results at all. He's on a team that was in last place last year. A last place team making it to the playoffs the very next year is a rare occurrence and usually involves a superstar player and more. Knowing that WOWY analysis indicates Wiseman was dragging down the team while he was playing makes Curry's results even more impressive.

[California Gold]

Yikes WarriorGM getting exposed.

Although none of it was really a secret.

Magic is on another tier compared to Curry. These threads are absurd. I remember Harden having similar threads made when he went on his tears through some of the seasons in Houston. Neither guy is in the top 10 nor do they compare to the top 10 all time greats.

This comparison is just as laughable as the Jordan one for Curry.

[2020]

greatest PG of all time.

Curry is #2 on my list now ahead of Oscar.

Is Curry even a better point guard than Chris Paul or Steve Nash?

He sure can't run systems like them.

Don get me wrong, Curry is the greatest shooting point guard or greatest guard to ever shoot (PG or SG), but he is not a better point guard than Chris Paul.

[WarriorGM]

Yikes WarriorGM getting exposed.

Although none of it was really a secret.

Magic is on another tier compared to Curry. These threads are absurd. I remember Harden having similar threads made when he went on his tears through some of the seasons in Houston. Neither guy is in the top 10 nor do they compare to the top 10 all time greats.

This comparison is just as laughable as the Jordan one for Curry.

Curry's records say otherwise. The Warriors compare very favorably against the Showtime Lakers.

[California Gold]

Yikes WarriorGM getting exposed.

Although none of it was really a secret.

Magic is on another tier compared to Curry. These threads are absurd. I remember Harden having similar threads made when he went on his tears through some of the seasons in Houston. Neither guy is in the top 10 nor do they compare to the top 10 all time greats.

This comparison is just as laughable as the Jordan one for Curry.

Curry's records say otherwise.

Different era. Different game. Magic excelled in his era much greater. You’re not going to find much of anyone agreeing here - not sure what the point of taking a whole forum on is for your minority opinion. Most people just don’t feel that way about Curry and you can’t point to some sort of hatred or bias as the reason just because they don’t agree. Get over it.

[WarriorGM]

Yikes WarriorGM getting exposed.

Although none of it was really a secret.

Magic is on another tier compared to Curry. These threads are absurd. I remember Harden having similar threads made when he went on his tears through some of the seasons in Houston. Neither guy is in the top 10 nor do they compare to the top 10 all time greats.

This comparison is just as laughable as the Jordan one for Curry.

Curry's records say otherwise.

Different era. Different game. Magic excelled in his era much greater. You’re not going to find much of anyone agreeing here - not sure what the point of taking a whole forum on is for your minority opinion. Most people just don’t feel that way about Curry and you can’t point to some sort of hatred or bias as the reason just because they don’t agree. Get over it.

Magic excelled more? I don't really know what you are talking about.

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Let's put it this way: Curry faced possibly the two closest approximations to Magic and Jordan in this era in Paul and Harden who were playing in concert together and it was still Curry who triumphed.

I don't really care if not many agree with my conclusion right now. They can go join the exposed thread to deny Curry's obvious greatness. I will laugh at them later.