Is Devin Booker a Bona Fide Superstar Now?

JDLAW · Post #21 » by **JDLAW** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 4:51 pm

Ballerhogger wrote:A rising all star you can’t just have one really good year .

Thanks Rip Van Winkle - you have been asleep for 5 years. Listen to LBJames about how good Booker is.

Crives · Post #22 » by **Crives** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 4:51 pm

Let’s just win the title

kwsqd · Post #23 » by **kwsqd** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 4:51 pm

saintEscaton wrote:
kwsqd wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:
I think he is an incredible third option on a title team who can contend for a scoring title any year but he has to at least become an average defender and regain his three point shooting form which is what made him great in the first place upon entering the league

He's already a first option on a team that is 2 wins away from winning it all. He's been one of the better defenders in the playoffs this year. He has a better defensive rating according to the NBA.com advanced stats this post season than Lebron, AD, Patrick Beverly, Durant, Kawhi, Simmons, etc.

Come on.

I am relieved that Book is playing both ends of the court when we need him the most at the highest stage of the game but do you really think this defensive performance is replicable and he is comparable to those elite two-way players you are listing?

Why would it not be replicable? It's 18 games worth of data. He is in the process of becoming elite.

JDLAW · Post #24 » by **JDLAW** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 4:53 pm

saintEscaton wrote:
Sal85012 wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:
I think he is an incredible third option on a title team who can contend for a scoring title any year but he has to at least become an average defender and regain his three point shooting form which is what made him great in the first place upon entering the league

Lol what? He’s the Suns got to player = #1 option. Takes all the last second shots etc.

Yeah but he is still a low tier talent and low end star in my book who has scoring milestones and accomplishments that put him up their with ATGs and legends. I wouldn't build a team around him. Hopefully we can attract a superstar wing to come over here and finish our core. Booker could attract a marquee FA to come here but he isn't one himself

One of the most ignorant statements you have made and I have seen many of your statements on the Suns Board.

saintEscaton · Post #25 » by **saintEscaton** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 4:53 pm

kwsqd wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:
kwsqd wrote:He's already a first option on a team that is 2 wins away from winning it all. He's been one of the better defenders in the playoffs this year. He has a better defensive rating according to the NBA.com advanced stats this post season than Lebron, AD, Patrick Beverly, Durant, Kawhi, Simmons, etc.

Come on.

I am relieved that Book is playing both ends of the court when we need him the most at the highest stage of the game but do you really think this defensive performance is replicable and he is comparable to those elite two-way players you are listing?

Why would it not be replicable? It's 18 games worth of data. He is in the process of becoming elite.

I watched every game intensively and while he shows flashes and promises and positions himself right most of the time he doesn't pass the eye test of being an elite defender. The advanced stats tell a different story surprisingly

nzahir · Post #26 » by **nzahir** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 4:55 pm

Lol stop it

38% shooting on 25 ppg vs a depleted clippers team

He was getting locked up for games by Beverly

Suns most important player is cp3

Booker can be a teams number one scorer if they have perfect guys around him, which they kind of do

Great pg who is efficient
Very good big who can score without isos and plays very solid d now
Multiple 3 and d wings
Explosive guard bench scorer

But let’s be real, a healthy lakers beat them

A healthy nets beat them

A healthy clippers probably win

No Kawhi, no Ibaka, and a couple games of no Zu and it went to 6

And that was after a Game winner in game 2

He is a legit all star though

saintEscaton · Post #27 » by **saintEscaton** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 4:55 pm

JDLAW wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:
Sal85012 wrote:
Lol what? He’s the Suns got to player = #1 option. Takes all the last second shots etc.

Yeah but he is still a low tier talent and low end star in my book who has scoring milestones and accomplishments that put him up their with ATGs and legends. I wouldn't build a team around him. Hopefully we can attract a superstar wing to come over here and finish our core. Booker could attract a marquee FA to come here but he isn't one himself

One of the most ignorant statements you have made and I have seen many of your statements on the Suns Board.

I am just not a Booker homer. He isn't a superstar or transcendent talent. He is in that tier above a star player and is somewhere between a Top 15 and Top 20 player and made the most of his limited skill set and overachieved adding new dimensions to his game. Let's not forgot how abysmal he was for the most of this regular season and we got the second seed in the West despite him regressing beyond the arc and from the line

saintEscaton · Post #28 » by **saintEscaton** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 4:57 pm

nzahir wrote:Lol stop it

38% shooting on 25 ppg vs a depleted clippers team

He was getting locked up for games by Beverly

Suns most important player is cp3

Booker can be a teams number one scorer if they have perfect guys around him, which they kind of do

Great pg who is efficient
Very good big who can score without isos and plays very solid d now
Multiple 3 and d wings
Explosive guard bench scorer

But let’s be real, a healthy lakers beat them

A healthy nets beat them

A healthy clippers probably win

No Kawhi, no Ibaka, and a couple games of no Zu and it went to 6

And that was after a Game winner in game 2

He is a legit all star though

With the way Booker was elevating and upping his game to the next level I can confidently say we would have beaten a full strength Lakers team even with a healthy AD and sent you guys packing :[

JDLAW · Post #29 » by **JDLAW** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 5:00 pm

saintEscaton wrote:
JDLAW wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:
Yeah but he is still a low tier talent and low end star in my book who has scoring milestones and accomplishments that put him up their with ATGs and legends. I wouldn't build a team around him. Hopefully we can attract a superstar wing to come over here and finish our core. Booker could attract a marquee FA to come here but he isn't one himself

One of the most ignorant statements you have made and I have seen many of your statements on the Suns Board.

I am just not a Booker homer. He isn't a superstar or transcendent talent. He is in that tier above a star player and is somewhere between a Top 15 and Top 20 player and made the most of his limited skill set and overachieved adding new dimensions to his game. Let's not forgot how abysmal he was for the most of this regular season and we got the second seed in the West despite him regressing beyond the arc and from the line

Abysmal? Keep digging the hole!

UcanUwill · Post #30 » by **UcanUwill** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 5:10 pm

Hes been very good for years, but I never saw him as a Superstar, although its subjective title so everyone will have different opinion/

ChantMVP · Post #31 » by **ChantMVP** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 5:11 pm

Who the heck is in here saying hes not a go to guy / clutch shot maker???

Please take a moment to youtube "Devin Booker gamewinner" and see how many results pop up.

The guy is one of the clutchest, coldest players in the league. The degree of difficulty on his game winners are through the roof.

He's a superstar no question. The first year he has a decent supporting cast they (likely) win the championship.

The kid has zero holes in his game. He can shoot from anywhere over anyone, can finish in traffic (see mean driving dunks vs clippers) and knows when to pass the rock too.

Dudes averaging 27/6/5 in the playoffs.

rapstarter · Post #32 » by **rapstarter** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 5:11 pm

Depends on your definition of superstar, but I don't think he's even better than Beal who I don't consider a superstar.

Crives · Post #33 » by **Crives** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 5:13 pm

nzahir wrote:Lol stop it

38% shooting on 25 ppg vs a depleted clippers team

He was getting locked up for games by Beverly

Suns most important player is cp3

Booker can be a teams number one scorer if they have perfect guys around him, which they kind of do

Great pg who is efficient
Very good big who can score without isos and plays very solid d now
Multiple 3 and d wings
Explosive guard bench scorer

But let’s be real, a healthy lakers beat them

A healthy nets beat them

A healthy clippers probably win

No Kawhi, no Ibaka, and a couple games of no Zu and it went to 6

And that was after a Game winner in game 2

He is a legit all star though

You really going to hold the Clippers series against him when he played through a broken nose?? Have you ever had a broken nose?

He deserves a pass for Clippers series… look how he played the Clippers in the bubble with no broken nose and a healthy kawhi… or how he played the Bucks/Nuggets/Lakers… or how he played all regular season.

Profound23 · Post #34 » by **Profound23** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 5:15 pm

I mean he is getting superstar calls, so I guess in the league's eyes he is.

matt6715 · Post #35 » by **matt6715** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 5:17 pm

CP3 was the perfect backcourt partner to allow Booker to focus solely on his strengths. He might not be a super-duper-star but he's incredibly impactful on offense as a secondary creator and primary shot-taker

Crives · Post #36 » by **Crives** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 5:18 pm

Profound23 wrote:I mean he is getting superstar calls, so I guess in the league's eyes he is.

0 FT last night

saintEscaton · Post #37 » by **saintEscaton** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 5:18 pm

JDLAW wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:
JDLAW wrote:
One of the most ignorant statements you have made and I have seen many of your statements on the Suns Board.

I am just not a Booker homer. He isn't a superstar or transcendent talent. He is in that tier above a star player and is somewhere between a Top 15 and Top 20 player and made the most of his limited skill set and overachieved adding new dimensions to his game. Let's not forgot how abysmal he was for the most of this regular season and we got the second seed in the West despite him regressing beyond the arc and from the line

Abysmal? Keep digging the hole!

Booker took a huge step back this regular season and was a net negative or barely neutral by almost all advanced metrics

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bookede01.html#all_advanced-playoffs_advanced

LV-Suns · Post #38 » by **LV-Suns** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 5:18 pm

Profound23 wrote:I mean he is getting superstar calls, so I guess in the league's eyes he is.

He shot zero free throws yesterday.

The Moose · Post #39 » by **The Moose** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 5:19 pm

He’s not a superstar to me, I only consider maybe 8 guys superstars though

Post #40 » by **ATTL** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 5:24 pm

When I think superstar I think of guys that are known by people that dont follow basketball. It goes beyond the game. So I guess I'd need to see the criteria for this definition.