1994: Patrick Ewing vs. Hakeem Olajuwon (greatest Center matchup of NBA Finals History)

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Re: 1994: Patrick Ewing vs. Hakeem Olajuwon (greatest Center matchup of NBA Finals History) 

Post#21 » by NYK-Mentality85 » Sun Jul 11, 2021 10:46 pm

K3nny Pow3rs wrote:Actually Pippen only guarded Magic for HALF of Game 2.
Jordan was in foul trouble and that was the only time Pippen guarded Magic.

Jordan guarded Magic for the entire series other than that.
So Pippen was WORSE than what most people realize.

Also, 1990 NBA Playoffs, Chicago vs. Detroit, Game 7:
Pippen played 42 minutes........2 points........2 assists........4 rebounds.


Don't lie.



And from there he never once stopped guarding Magical because Phil wasn't an idiot he wasn't going to fix what wasn't broken (Scottie Pippen on Magic throughout the entire Series).

QFT

"Who guarded Magic Johnson in the 1991 Finals?
Scottie Pippen
1991 NBA Finals: Chicago wins its first title, defeating the Los Angeles Lakers, 4-1. In the Chicago's first-ever NBA Finals appearance, Scottie Pippen took the primary responsibility of guarding Magic Johnson in 1991 versus the Los Angeles Lakers
.

I can cherry pick stats too. Because as an NYK fan I witnessed MJ23 have off nights too.

Michael Jordan 1993 Playoffs vs New York Knicks

3/18 from the field (embarrassing FG% of.167%).

:lol:

It was Scottie Pippen who beat us going 10/12 from the field (insane FG% of .833%), 4 rebounds, 4 assists, 29 points and LOCK DOWN DEFENSE.

:nod: :lol: :nod:

1992-1993: Pippen with Jordan = 57-25.
1993-1994: Pippen without Jordan = 55-27.

Pippen put up MVP numbers and led his team to only two fewer wins than the year before while Jordan was playing baseball.

Pippen swept Cleveland 1st round without Jordan and even took my legendary Knicks of the 90s 7 games without Jordan and did it all by himself too because Dennis Rodman was not yet a Chicago Bull.

And if you want to talk about Pippen being worse than people realize I'll go ahead and post Scottie Pippen's career winning percentage without Jordan (7 years without "MJ") in comparison to Jordan's career Losing record without Pippen (throughout 5 years without Pippen).

Feeling froggy? Then leap.

and I'll destroy you in this argument because MJ is 0-5 with 5 below .500 losing seasons without Pippen and Scottie is 6-1 with 6 above .500 winning seasons without "MJ".

• Scottie could always win without Jordan.
• Michael couldn't never ever win without Pippen.

Only basketball historians know the truth.

Get froggy and leap yo and I'll post their actual records and leave this thread in tears crying from basketball laughter. :lol:
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Re: 1994: Patrick Ewing vs. Hakeem Olajuwon (greatest Center matchup of NBA Finals History) 

Post#22 » by papfankon » Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:21 am

Your Knicks were a legendary team as much as you are a basketball historian.
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Re: 1994: Patrick Ewing vs. Hakeem Olajuwon (greatest Center matchup of NBA Finals History) 

Post#23 » by SHAQ32 » Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:43 am

I think you can argue that Ewing wasn't in his prime anymore by the time he and Olajuwon faced off in the finals. He was only 31, but it seemed that after 1991, he gradually got less and less mobile and more and more inclined to settle for long 2s.
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Re: 1994: Patrick Ewing vs. Hakeem Olajuwon (greatest Center matchup of NBA Finals History) 

Post#24 » by Galloisdaman » Mon Jul 12, 2021 2:37 am

SHAQ32 wrote:I think you can argue that Ewing wasn't in his prime anymore by the time he and Olajuwon faced off in the finals. He was only 31, but it seemed that after 1991, he gradually got less and less mobile and more and more inclined to settle for long 2s.


Patrick was definitely not in his prime physically. He battled a lot of injuries over the years. That combined with carrying the team on his back took a physical toll.
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Re: 1994: Patrick Ewing vs. Hakeem Olajuwon (greatest Center matchup of NBA Finals History) 

Post#25 » by twyzted » Mon Jul 12, 2021 2:38 am

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K3nny Pow3rs wrote:Actually Pippen only guarded Magic for HALF of Game 2.
Jordan was in foul trouble and that was the only time Pippen guarded Magic.

Jordan guarded Magic for the entire series other than that.
So Pippen was WORSE than what most people realize.

Also, 1990 NBA Playoffs, Chicago vs. Detroit, Game 7:
Pippen played 42 minutes........2 points........2 assists........4 rebounds.


Don't lie.



And from there he never once stopped guarding Magical because Phil wasn't an idiot he wasn't going to fix what wasn't broken (Scottie Pippen on Magic throughout the entire Series).

QFT

"Who guarded Magic Johnson in the 1991 Finals?
Scottie Pippen
1991 NBA Finals: Chicago wins its first title, defeating the Los Angeles Lakers, 4-1. In the Chicago's first-ever NBA Finals appearance, Scottie Pippen took the primary responsibility of guarding Magic Johnson in 1991 versus the Los Angeles Lakers
.

I can cherry pick stats too. Because as an NYK fan I witnessed MJ23 have off nights too.

Michael Jordan 1993 Playoffs vs New York Knicks

3/18 from the field (embarrassing FG% of.167%).

:lol:

It was Scottie Pippen who beat us going 10/12 from the field (insane FG% of .833%), 4 rebounds, 4 assists, 29 points and LOCK DOWN DEFENSE.

:nod: :lol: :nod:

1992-1993: Pippen with Jordan = 57-25.
1993-1994: Pippen without Jordan = 55-27.

Pippen put up MVP numbers and led his team to only two fewer wins than the year before while Jordan was playing baseball.

Pippen swept Cleveland 1st round without Jordan and even took my legendary Knicks of the 90s 7 games without Jordan and did it all by himself too because Dennis Rodman was not yet a Chicago Bull.

And if you want to talk about Pippen being worse than people realize I'll go ahead and post Scottie Pippen's career winning percentage without Jordan (7 years without "MJ") in comparison to Jordan's career Losing record without Pippen (throughout 5 years without Pippen).

Feeling froggy? Then leap.

and I'll destroy you in this argument because MJ is 0-5 with 5 below .500 losing seasons without Pippen and Scottie is 6-1 with 6 above .500 winning seasons without "MJ".

• Scottie could always win without Jordan.
• Michael couldn't never ever win without Pippen.

Only basketball historians know the truth.

Get froggy and leap yo and I'll post their actual records and leave this thread in tears crying from basketball laughter. :lol:


You should watch the video you posted.
THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT GAME 2 :banghead:

Game 5 video with actual clips of Jordan guarding Magic not some interviews with 2 clips of pippen guarding magic. Jordan got 2 fouls early in game 2.


Wow you found 1 game of pippen scoring more then Jordan.
Stats from the game.
3/18fg 16/17fts 8 rbs 11 ast 2 stl 2 blk 2 to 22 pts

The bulls added myers, longley, kerr and kukoc to grant, pippen and bj. Lost only Jordan. Grant bj and pippen have career year got to 2nd round lost to the knicks which is the ONLY time the knicks won vs the bulls.

Yes pippen without Jordan
345gp, 316gs, 32.5mpg, .436fg%, .321-3pt%, .745ft%, 5.3rpg, 4.9apg, 1.6spg, 0.5 bpg, 2.6topg, 11.5ppg

Jordan without pippen
324gp, 291gs, 37mpg, 46%fg, 20%3pt, 83%ft, 6rpg, 5apg, 2spg, 1bpg, 2.9topg, 27ppg

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Post#26 » by NYK-Mentality85 » Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:01 am

70sFan wrote:1964 Russell vs Wilt is still the best center matchup in finals history. Both are top 10 players ever and both were at their best in 1964. No other matchup matches these two criteria.

Other mentions:

1967 Wilt Chamberlain vs Nate Thurmond
1970 Wilt Chamberlain vs Willis Reed
1971 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar vs Wes Unseld
1974 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar vs Dave Cowens
1983 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar vs Moses Malone
1995 Hakeem Olajuwon vs Shaquille O'Neal


Dude. You do know that there were only 9 basketball teams in 1964 right? That's why they won all those rings man.
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Re: 1994: Patrick Ewing vs. Hakeem Olajuwon (greatest Center matchup of NBA Finals History) 

Post#27 » by 70sFan » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:37 am

NYK-Mentality85 wrote:
70sFan wrote:1964 Russell vs Wilt is still the best center matchup in finals history. Both are top 10 players ever and both were at their best in 1964. No other matchup matches these two criteria.

Other mentions:

1967 Wilt Chamberlain vs Nate Thurmond
1970 Wilt Chamberlain vs Willis Reed
1971 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar vs Wes Unseld
1974 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar vs Dave Cowens
1983 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar vs Moses Malone
1995 Hakeem Olajuwon vs Shaquille O'Neal


Dude. You do know that there were only 9 basketball teams in 1964 right? That's why they won all those rings man.

What does it have to do with Russell vs Wilt matchup? There were 9 teams back then and both centers were at their absolute best.

I don't understand your point, two top 10 players ever faced each other at their peaks in 1964 finals, so it's clearly the best centers matchup in finals history. Ewing isn't on that level.
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Post#28 » by JN61 » Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:56 am

Yep. As said prior. I take Wilt vs Russell.
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Re: 1994: Patrick Ewing vs. Hakeem Olajuwon (greatest Center matchup of NBA Finals History) 

Post#29 » by JN61 » Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:57 am

NYK-Mentality85 wrote:
70sFan wrote:1964 Russell vs Wilt is still the best center matchup in finals history. Both are top 10 players ever and both were at their best in 1964. No other matchup matches these two criteria.

Other mentions:

1967 Wilt Chamberlain vs Nate Thurmond
1970 Wilt Chamberlain vs Willis Reed
1971 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar vs Wes Unseld
1974 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar vs Dave Cowens
1983 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar vs Moses Malone
1995 Hakeem Olajuwon vs Shaquille O'Neal


Dude. You do know that there were only 9 basketball teams in 1964 right? That's why they won all those rings man.

Reduce current league to 9 teams and get rid of 200+ bottom of barrel players. Is the competition higher or lower than now? Something to think about.
Pennebaker wrote:And Bird did it while being a defensive liability. But he also made All-Defensive teams, which was another controversial issue regarding Bird and votes.
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Re: 1994: Patrick Ewing vs. Hakeem Olajuwon (greatest Center matchup of NBA Finals History) 

Post#30 » by JN61 » Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:05 am

NYK-Mentality85 wrote:
K3nny Pow3rs wrote:Actually Pippen only guarded Magic for HALF of Game 2.
Jordan was in foul trouble and that was the only time Pippen guarded Magic.

Jordan guarded Magic for the entire series other than that.
So Pippen was WORSE than what most people realize.

Also, 1990 NBA Playoffs, Chicago vs. Detroit, Game 7:
Pippen played 42 minutes........2 points........2 assists........4 rebounds.


Don't lie.



And from there he never once stopped guarding Magical because Phil wasn't an idiot he wasn't going to fix what wasn't broken (Scottie Pippen on Magic throughout the entire Series).

QFT

"Who guarded Magic Johnson in the 1991 Finals?
Scottie Pippen
1991 NBA Finals: Chicago wins its first title, defeating the Los Angeles Lakers, 4-1. In the Chicago's first-ever NBA Finals appearance, Scottie Pippen took the primary responsibility of guarding Magic Johnson in 1991 versus the Los Angeles Lakers
.

I can cherry pick stats too. Because as an NYK fan I witnessed MJ23 have off nights too.

Michael Jordan 1993 Playoffs vs New York Knicks

3/18 from the field (embarrassing FG% of.167%).

:lol:

It was Scottie Pippen who beat us going 10/12 from the field (insane FG% of .833%), 4 rebounds, 4 assists, 29 points and LOCK DOWN DEFENSE.

:nod: :lol: :nod:

1992-1993: Pippen with Jordan = 57-25.
1993-1994: Pippen without Jordan = 55-27.

Pippen put up MVP numbers and led his team to only two fewer wins than the year before while Jordan was playing baseball.

Pippen swept Cleveland 1st round without Jordan and even took my legendary Knicks of the 90s 7 games without Jordan and did it all by himself too because Dennis Rodman was not yet a Chicago Bull.

And if you want to talk about Pippen being worse than people realize I'll go ahead and post Scottie Pippen's career winning percentage without Jordan (7 years without "MJ") in comparison to Jordan's career Losing record without Pippen (throughout 5 years without Pippen).

Feeling froggy? Then leap.

and I'll destroy you in this argument because MJ is 0-5 with 5 below .500 losing seasons without Pippen and Scottie is 6-1 with 6 above .500 winning seasons without "MJ".

• Scottie could always win without Jordan.
• Michael couldn't never ever win without Pippen.

Only basketball historians know the truth.

Get froggy and leap yo and I'll post their actual records and leave this thread in tears crying from basketball laughter. :lol:

Just stop. You give a bad name to Knicks fans. They have suffered enough.
Pennebaker wrote:And Bird did it while being a defensive liability. But he also made All-Defensive teams, which was another controversial issue regarding Bird and votes.

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