Raptors, Magic Make Offers To Move Up To 3

RoyceDa59 · Post #21 » by **RoyceDa59** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:04 pm

It’s so obviously:

1 Cunnington
2 Green
3 Mobley
4 Suggs

Raps want Mobley absolutely.

Bologna Smasher · Post #22 » by **Bologna Smasher** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:07 pm

I don't think the Cavaliers should trade it. They have Mobley falling right into their lap. He and Allen have the potential to be dominant for years to come if Mobley pans out.

I also think the Magic should hold on to their picks. Two opportunities to roll the dice in the lottery is a pretty big deal this year.

Creativetran · Post #23 » by **Creativetran** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:38 pm

Ducklett wrote:Orlando Magic would be stupid to trade 5 and 8 for 3 in this draft if Green is off the board. Mobley has warts and question marks that makes me afraid to pick him. Easily could be the next Wiseman.

The magic do you love them long bois, As a magic fan I would be really pissed off if we did the trade. I’m down to do it for green but definitely not mobley, big man or the valuable anymore in my opinion. We already wasted a high pick on Bamba

GSWFan1994 · Post #24 » by **GSWFan1994** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:40 pm

Gotta love this time of the year.

Pointgod · Post #25 » by **Pointgod** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:43 am

Creativetran wrote:
Ducklett wrote:Orlando Magic would be stupid to trade 5 and 8 for 3 in this draft if Green is off the board. Mobley has warts and question marks that makes me afraid to pick him. Easily could be the next Wiseman.

The magic do you love them long bois, As a magic fan I would be really pissed off if we did the trade. I’m down to do it for green but definitely not mobley, big man or the valuable anymore in my opinion. We already wasted a high pick on Bamba

How many Centers do the Magic need? Lol.

Mister Ze · Post #26 » by **Mister Ze** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:47 am

Maybe the Raps intend on re-signing Kyle and therefore don’t want the BPA - Suggs.

Maybe they trade up or down, or out of the draft in general. Who knows

The_Hater · Post #27 » by **The_Hater** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:52 am

Slim Charless wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
Not sure if he IS one, but maybe that's how they're viewing him!

yeah thats what i mean, hes gonna be a great player who needs a all nba playmaker/scorer beside him. The raptors need green.As long as we dont lose OG, i dont care how they do it, they just need to do it. we need a superstar scorer, i dont care if he cant do anything else on the court, the raptors will go find some guys at la fitness and make them boarderline all stars.

If he's so good, why isn't Houston taking him at 2? They can build a twin towers situation and as my Suns just found out going against 2 high level bigs is a MAJOR difficulty.

Him and Woods would be a fantastic offense/defense team. Plus it's not like Houston is a stranger to high quality centers...

Why didn’t Sacramento take Doncic at #2 if he was so good? Or Portland take MJ at #2?

Teams and GM’s make drafting mistakes all the time and you’d have to ask Houston why they prefer Green. Maybe they’re right, maybe they’re wrong.

John Murdoch · Post #28 » by **John Murdoch** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:57 am

Mister Ze wrote:Maybe the Raps intend on re-signing Kyle and therefore don’t want the BPA - Suggs.

Maybe they trade up or down, or out of the draft in general. Who knows

I dont see kyle returning..he knows its time for a new era in Toronto

Lockdown504090 · Post #29 » by **Lockdown504090** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:12 am

Slim Charless wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
Not sure if he IS one, but maybe that's how they're viewing him!

yeah thats what i mean, hes gonna be a great player who needs a all nba playmaker/scorer beside him. The raptors need green.As long as we dont lose OG, i dont care how they do it, they just need to do it. we need a superstar scorer, i dont care if he cant do anything else on the court, the raptors will go find some guys at la fitness and make them boarderline all stars.

If he's so good, why isn't Houston taking him at 2? They can build a twin towers situation and as my Suns just found out going against 2 high level bigs is a MAJOR difficulty.

Him and Woods would be a fantastic offense/defense team. Plus it's not like Houston is a stranger to high quality centers...

i can see any team being aprehensive about drafting a center given how the league looks rn. secondly green will allow them to suck next year as well since hes not ready physically or mentally yet. mobley is probably more nba ready from a winning perspective. They also already have wood locked up on a team friendly deal, and finally, they intend to move eric gordon. What i dont know is, what this means for kevin porter jr? do they wanna play both of them together?

Bologna Smasher · Post #30 » by **Bologna Smasher** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:12 am

I don't blame the Raptors for trying to move up. If they're able to pick one of Mobley or Green and re-sign Lowry, they could be in a position to be a contender in the east again if they make the right moves. Lowry's big cap hold kind of screws with their cap space flexibility, but they they can still do some interesting things if they get creative. If they pick Mobley, they could possibly bring back DeRozan in a sign-and-trade with Trent Jr. if they wanted to. If they pick Green, they could sign-and-trade Lowry for a center.

Hipster Doofus · Post #31 » by **Hipster Doofus** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:25 am

Every draft, every year, has a "generational" talent, eh?

Bruin · Post #32 » by **Bruin** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:41 am

clyde21 wrote:
OrangeBlueSkies wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:My assumption is with Green being 'locked in' at #2, both teams are seeing the chance of nabbing a generational big man in Mobley.

I love the use of the word "generational" . But honestly, if he's so "generational", that means he will surpass the talents of Jokic, Embiid, Ayton.

I'm only messing with you, but I will assume that you think Mobley has Embiid/Davis level talent?

Is Chris Bosh a dominant big man in today's NBA?

Jokic/Embiid are generational...they are already top10 centers of all time

and yes, Mobley is also generational..best big prospect since probably Davis.

Out of Kareem, Wilt, Russell,Shaq,Hakeem, Malone, David Robinson, Ewing, Unseld, Willis Reed, Bob McAdoo, George Mikan, Bill Walton, Dwight that’s already 14 that are pretty easily over them all time right now

clyde21 · Post #33 » by **clyde21** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:51 am

PrinceAli wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
OrangeBlueSkies wrote:

I love the use of the word "generational" . But honestly, if he's so "generational", that means he will surpass the talents of Jokic, Embiid, Ayton.

I'm only messing with you, but I will assume that you think Mobley has Embiid/Davis level talent?

Is Chris Bosh a dominant big man in today's NBA?

Jokic/Embiid are generational...they are already top10 centers of all time

and yes, Mobley is also generational..best big prospect since probably Davis.

Out of Kareem, Wilt, Russell,Shaq,Hakeem, Malone, David Robinson, Ewing, Unseld, Willis Reed, Bob McAdoo, George Mikan, Bill Walton, Dwight that’s already 14 that are pretty easily over them all time right now

id take Jokic/Embiid over everyone from Ewing on

Bruin · Post #34 » by **Bruin** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:59 am

clyde21 wrote:
PrinceAli wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
Jokic/Embiid are generational...they are already top10 centers of all time

and yes, Mobley is also generational..best big prospect since probably Davis.

Out of Kareem, Wilt, Russell,Shaq,Hakeem, Malone, David Robinson, Ewing, Unseld, Willis Reed, Bob McAdoo, George Mikan, Bill Walton, Dwight that’s already 14 that are pretty easily over them all time right now

id take Jokic/Embiid over everyone from Ewing on

To each their own I guess but I don’t see them being anywhere near most of them right now

Embiid has just been on 3 all NBA teams and 4x all star. His resume doesn’t touch any of those guys

Jokic at least has an MVP but still not enough to crack to top 10 yet

clyde21 · Post #35 » by **clyde21** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:01 am

PrinceAli wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
PrinceAli wrote:Out of Kareem, Wilt, Russell,Shaq,Hakeem, Malone, David Robinson, Ewing, Unseld, Willis Reed, Bob McAdoo, George Mikan, Bill Walton, Dwight that’s already 14 that are pretty easily over them all time right now

id take Jokic/Embiid over everyone from Ewing on

To each their own I guess but I don’t see them being anywhere near most of them right now

Embiid has just been on 3 all NBA teams and 4x all star. His resume doesn’t touch any of those guys

Jokic at least has an MVP but still not enough to crack to top 10 yet

i mean yea from all time accomplishments no but I just think they are better than the guys I named. i think for sure both guys are top10 all time Centers in terms of talent/skill/peak.

Bruin · Post #36 » by **Bruin** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:03 am

clyde21 wrote:
PrinceAli wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
id take Jokic/Embiid over everyone from Ewing on

To each their own I guess but I don’t see them being anywhere near most of them right now

Embiid has just been on 3 all NBA teams and 4x all star. His resume doesn’t touch any of those guys

Jokic at least has an MVP but still not enough to crack to top 10 yet

i mean yea from all time accomplishments no but I just think they are better than the guys I named. i think for sure both guys are top10 all time Centers in terms of talent/skill/peak.

When it’s all said and done yeah I could see them both cracking the top 10

DowJones · Post #37 » by **DowJones** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:14 am

zimpy27 wrote:Davis looked a lot better than Mobley at the same age. Not saying Mobley will be bad but you can see an archetype that was far ahead of him in the league and you have to wonder if a lesser version is worth banking on.

AD was just ridiculously good. His advanced numbers were insane. Mobley is probably the closest thing to AD that we have seen. I have him as a better prospect than bigs like Ayton or even Towns. Mobley's advanced numbers are extremely impressive. They compare with Zion. I do wonder how much better Mobley would have looked had he played on a team that was as good as that UK team Davis played on. That was a stacked team. Mobley didn't play with nearly the same amount of talent. You watch some of the tape on Mobley and he is making amazing passes to guys for wide open looks and they just can't convert.

I view Mobley as a legitimate #1 overall pick type of talent. I would probably put him ahead of the guy taken #1 in 8 of the last 20 drafts. He isn't without flaws--the biggest being can he play through contact in the NBA--but his talent is ridiculous. I don't know about "generational" talent, but I do think realistic upside is KAT with better defense.

I think his position is devalued right now. Cade is a "safe" pick while Green is where this league is clearly heading. I think that is why Cleveland is getting the chance to take him #3.

NatiboyB · Post #38 » by **NatiboyB** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:39 am

As a Cavs fan I’m not sure why people don’t realize we have no issue taking Mobley…Whomever out of cade/green/Mobley we will pick who is leftover…The raptors don’t seem to have anyone we want on their roster…Orlando would be interesting but I doubt they are offering 2 top 10 picks for him.

Mobley can fit in playing at the 4/5 and we can bring him along as slowly or quickly as he needs to be. I know this is offseason rumor meal but we also don’t have a need for Suggs. We leaped up in the draft and would be foolish to not select whomever of the top 3 isn’t available….

DroseReturnChi · Post #39 » by **DroseReturnChi** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:53 am

Bologna Smasher wrote:I don't blame the Raptors for trying to move up. If they're able to pick one of Mobley or Green and re-sign Lowry, they could be in a position to be a contender in the east again if they make the right moves. Lowry's big cap hold kind of screws with their cap space flexibility, but they they can still do some interesting things if they get creative. If they pick Mobley, they could possibly bring back DeRozan in a sign-and-trade with Trent Jr. if they wanted to. If they pick Green, they could sign-and-trade Lowry for a center.

green is overrated let houston take him obvious target is mobley raps dont have a decent center. also suggs overlap fvv but im still shocked they think former is generational and latter is not. suggs has kidd level talent. pg is the worst saturated position masai wont even take on a number 1 pg prospect and go for the number 1 big.

DroseReturnChi · Post #40 » by **DroseReturnChi** » Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:57 am

NatiboyB wrote:As a Cavs fan I’m not sure why people don’t realize we have no issue taking Mobley…Whomever out of cade/green/Mobley we will pick who is leftover…The raptors don’t seem to have anyone we want on their roster…Orlando would be interesting but I doubt they are offering 2 top 10 picks for him.

Mobley can fit in playing at the 4/5 and we can bring him along as slowly or quickly as he needs to be. I know this is offseason rumor meal but we also don’t have a need for Suggs. We leaped up in the draft and would be foolish to not select whomever of the top 3 isn’t available….

cavs already overpaid for allen and they have like 2 max no ones coming. their move will be max allen draft mobley to start 4/backup 5 and overtake Allen by the time he expires.