Better Prospect: Chet Holmgren vs Victor Wembanyama

UcanUwill · Post #21 » by **UcanUwill** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:47 pm

Victor was easily best player in recent U19 and he is 2 years younger than most players who played there. He is already better than Holmgren and he is 17. I dont think Victor will be all timer, cause his offense is limited, but he looks like all time great defender.

P.S. I will plug my utube mix of him that I made few weeks ago, hope you enjoy it (I purposely started the video with him guarding guards at perimeter after switch, to showcase that he can hold his own left ''on the island'') :

Watch on YouTube

Leslie Forman · Post #22 » by **Leslie Forman** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:41 pm

I'm not sure why everyone is saying Wembanyama, he looks like a clearly worse athlete and ballhandler. The extra height is actually a negative rather than a positive to me as well, nobody taller than Kareem has ever had a long, healthy career.

He could eventually end up being better, since he's still quite a bit younger, but based on their current ability he's got a long way to go.

TravisScott55 · Post #23 » by **TravisScott55** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:52 pm

Chet looks like another Porzingis.

Bologna Smasher · Post #24 » by **Bologna Smasher** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 7:31 pm

UcanUwill wrote:Victor was easily best player in recent U19 and he is 2 years younger than most players who played there. He is already better than Holmgren and he is 17. I dont think Victor will be all timer, cause his offense is limited, but he looks like all time great defender.

P.S. I will plug my utube mix of him that I made few weeks ago, hope you enjoy it (I purposely started the video with him guarding guards at perimeter after switch, to showcase that he can hold his own left ''on the island'') :

Watch on YouTube

I think I watched your Garuba video a bit back. Good job.

SCTwins · Post #25 » by **SCTwins** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 7:34 pm

TravisScott55 wrote:Chet looks like another Porzingis.

If he doesn't have similar health issues, that's a pretty damn good player.

CraftylikeaFox · Post #26 » by **CraftylikeaFox** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 7:37 pm

TravisScott55 wrote:Chet looks like another Porzingis.

Close. His ceiling is a better Porzingis. Better shooter. More offensively skilled. Better ball handler and passer. Better defensive instincts.

DCasey91 · Post #27 » by **DCasey91** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:18 pm

meekrab wrote:
DCasey91 wrote:
RiRuHoops wrote:
KD couldn't press 185 lbs on the bench, he was a weak skinny guy. He may be wiry strong now, but not then.

Bench press is bench press not sports.

Core and balance >>>> big biceps.

Have you really never done a bench press in your life? The biceps are not really involved...

Nope and I played sports fine (better then the average person).
We had a national academy trainer that would emphasis the core and balance over everything else. As a team (2nd best in state) we all improved noticeably. He said himself you lose a lot of your athleticism when your body is unconsciously/consciously correcting itself when moving around it wastes energy. Helps mitigate injuries too because you naturally favor one side of the body over the other same with your eyes. Over or under compensation.

He studied biometrics and all that good stuff. Yoga is wonderful for sports players imo. Weights should be short and heavy or long and light (technique).

Stretching is one of most undervalued aspects of the whole thing. I’m 5”9.5” on a good day without stretching I couldn’t get close to the rim. After a 15 min routine and a steady paced jog I can get to the rim I don’t train specifically for it. I was lucky was born highly flexible (both parents) with loose hips.

John Wall is one of most natural runners I’ve seen in basketball. His running gait is classy asf!

NoDopeOnSundays · Post #28 » by **NoDopeOnSundays** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:24 pm

Victor.

Has a better frame with wider shoulders, already a pro, 2 years younger and will play center in the NBA. I don't know what position Chet will play in the NBA, and at 19 he is really kind of behind where he should be physically.

rpa · Post #29 » by **rpa** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:36 pm

Chet has the look of a guy who'll be featured on a ton of posters.

tmorgan · Post #30 » by **tmorgan** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:48 pm

You can body Victor and get him a few feet off you, but you better go up strong and dunk it after or he’ll get you anyway. Fun prospect.

Still prefer Banchero, though.

Marty McFly · Post #31 » by **Marty McFly** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:35 am

rpa wrote:Chet has the look of a guy who'll be featured on a ton of posters.

buzzkilloton · Post #32 » by **buzzkilloton** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:56 am

This isnt even close. Victor is the guy. Chets just the best prospect in whats going to be a weak draft class. 2023 is going to be an awesome class.

Post #33 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:14 am

Leslie Forman wrote:I'm not sure why everyone is saying Wembanyama, he looks like a clearly worse athlete and ballhandler. The extra height is actually a negative rather than a positive to me as well, nobody taller than Kareem has ever had a long, healthy career.

He could eventually end up being better, since he's still quite a bit younger, but based on their current ability he's got a long way to go.

He’s very clearly bigger and a better athlete.

Idk where people see a great athlete in Chet. He is slow as hell, I think his handles make people think he’s faster than he is. Go watch how Victor recovers to close out on perimeter shooters or contest shots. He covers ground way quicker.

MarcusBrody · Post #34 » by **MarcusBrody** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:18 am

For those that watched the U-19, what made Victor the best player in the tournament? His efficiency seems pedestrian for someone with his physical advantages.

Leslie Forman · Post #35 » by **Leslie Forman** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:50 am

NO-KG-AI wrote:
Leslie Forman wrote:I'm not sure why everyone is saying Wembanyama, he looks like a clearly worse athlete and ballhandler. The extra height is actually a negative rather than a positive to me as well, nobody taller than Kareem has ever had a long, healthy career.

He could eventually end up being better, since he's still quite a bit younger, but based on their current ability he's got a long way to go.

He’s very clearly bigger and a better athlete.

Idk where people see a great athlete in Chet. He is slow as hell, I think his handles make people think he’s faster than he is. Go watch how Victor recovers to close out on perimeter shooters or contest shots. He covers ground way quicker.

I don't know what you and others are watching, because Wembanyama looks like he is stuck in molasses. His offensive moves look like they're in slow motion and most of his defensive plays are just through his pure size, as his explosiveness is lacking.

Again, he's not even close to developed so he'll keep improving. But for now, I have no freaking clue how people are seeing such a great athlete in this kid right now. He's quite a ways away.

Dutchball97 · Post #36 » by **Dutchball97** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:00 am

Wembanyama probably has a higher ceiling but I see Chet as more of a sure thing. Who the better prospect is depends on what you value more.

Coxy · Post #37 » by **Coxy** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:04 am

Victor fo sho.

Sildegil · Post #38 » by **Sildegil** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:35 am

The OP missed probably the most astonishing stats. During the U19, Victor averaged 5.7 blocks per game. 5.7!!!

Read on Twitter

Chuck Everett · Post #39 » by **Chuck Everett** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:05 am

You just hope he doesn't grow any taller to be honest. Guys who are over 7'4, just end up having wonky careers.

Balllin · Post #40 » by **Balllin** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:59 pm

Watch on YouTube