Marcus Smart: "Jayson and Jaylen, they don't want to pass the ball"

KnicksGadfly · Post #21 » by **KnicksGadfly** » Tue Nov 2, 2021 4:19 am

jerok wrote:So it wasn't Kyrie's fault after all.

Why do we have to take sides and pit people against each other, man? They’re all at fault!

miamiheat319 · Post #22 » by **miamiheat319** » Tue Nov 2, 2021 4:25 am

Man I’ve been hearing for years how Tatum is the next Kobe blah blah blah. What happened y’all? Seems like everybody has flipped on him this year

Vampirate · Post #23 » by **Vampirate** » Tue Nov 2, 2021 4:27 am

celticfan42487 wrote:
levon wrote:he's right but he also had 0 assists in 33 minutes tonight

Smart thinks he's Kobe Bryant in his prime but better in the worst possible way.

He's just a horrible team mate.

He doesn't give a **** about Tatum or Brown passing the ball, he just wants it so he can jack up more shots at at his blistering 25% on a mere 10 FGA per game.

He needs more in his mind, he's got more bricks setting records to set. (see the lowest 3 point % for anyone who's ever attemped more than a small amount of 3s, ect.).

It has always been one bad sign after another, from him and Tatum being the only players that liked Kyrie to him punching a fan in the stands in college, to him taking cheap shots in games of others players, to him throwing a hissy fit last playoffs and blaming everyone but himself and Jaylen Brown having to take the leadership position to tell him to STFU we need to actual play as a team it's the playoffs and there's not time for this, from him losing his temper and punching glass and injuring himself.

This is just yet another thing from Smart. The most ironically named player in the NBA.

When you are winning, a player strengths stand out and you admire them, when you are losing a players flaws stand out and you loathe them.

Karate Diop · Post #24 » by **Karate Diop** » Tue Nov 2, 2021 4:27 am

miamiheat319 wrote:Man I’ve been hearing for years how Tatum is the next Kobe blah blah blah. What happened y’all? Seems like everybody has flipped on him this year

Eh, he's less of a problem than Brown. Brown has been coasting on his defensive reputation the last few years when dude gets cooked routinely when it matters and is completely unaware of what to do when it comes to playing sound team defense...

This is definitely a case where scoring went to a player's head... Brown values his points above all else now.

FrodoFraggins · Post #25 » by **FrodoFraggins** » Tue Nov 2, 2021 4:28 am

jerok wrote:So it wasn't Kyrie's fault after all.

Well unless he kind of poisoned the Jays to coaching and teamplay overall ...

The Jays have a lot of growing to do, but let's not pretend that Kyrie doesn't have an impact on locker rooms.

Ballerhogger · Post #26 » by **Ballerhogger** » Tue Nov 2, 2021 4:29 am

I guess smart going to different team lol

FrodoFraggins · Post #27 » by **FrodoFraggins** » Tue Nov 2, 2021 4:32 am

Ballerhogger wrote:I guess smart going to different team lol

He should have been shipped two years ago

Vampirate · Post #28 » by **Vampirate** » Tue Nov 2, 2021 4:34 am

miamiheat319 wrote:Man I’ve been hearing for years how Tatum is the next Kobe blah blah blah. What happened y’all? Seems like everybody has flipped on him this year

Tatum is probably never going to become a top 10 player but he's not this bad. Things will even out over the course of the season.

The issue now is Tatum is taking 25 shots on a 40%FG/27.3% 3FG%/78.1% FT

It's early in the season, Tatum has his flaws, but he's never had a FG% lower than 45, a 3FG% lower than 37.3and a FT% lower than 81.2.

It's a horrid start offensively but he'll break out and the Celtics will be in the playoffs. I'm not a Celtics fan saying this.

It's a long season.

Wargreymon · Post #29 » by **Wargreymon** » Tue Nov 2, 2021 4:35 am

I feel like Tatum and Brown get special preferential treatment. They give off that "I better be in Business class suite while the rest of the roster be in economy class" kind of vibes.

God Squad · Post #30 » by **God Squad** » Tue Nov 2, 2021 4:35 am

Regardless of how you feel about Smart or his play, IMO he's right on the money. Both the J's have horrible shot selection. Then add that they take so many a night and don't create for others.

CptCrunch · Post #31 » by **CptCrunch** » Tue Nov 2, 2021 4:38 am

Celtics needs a nice point guard. Marcus smart isn't good enough to dominate the ball full time. Both Tatum and Brown are a bit lacking in the play making department. Tatum's shooting has been putrid but I imagine he'll bounce back to last year's level at least.

If this season flops, they should consider trading one of the Jays for a guard. Brown for Shai or Fox (not saying OKC or Kings will accept) would do wonders to make the Celtics better.

celticfan42487 · Post #32 » by **celticfan42487** » Tue Nov 2, 2021 4:39 am

Vampirate wrote:
celticfan42487 wrote:
levon wrote:he's right but he also had 0 assists in 33 minutes tonight

Smart thinks he's Kobe Bryant in his prime but better in the worst possible way.

He's just a horrible team mate.

He doesn't give a **** about Tatum or Brown passing the ball, he just wants it so he can jack up more shots at at his blistering 25% on a mere 10 FGA per game.

He needs more in his mind, he's got more bricks setting records to set. (see the lowest 3 point % for anyone who's ever attemped more than a small amount of 3s, ect.).

It has always been one bad sign after another, from him and Tatum being the only players that liked Kyrie to him punching a fan in the stands in college, to him taking cheap shots in games of others players, to him throwing a hissy fit last playoffs and blaming everyone but himself and Jaylen Brown having to take the leadership position to tell him to STFU we need to actual play as a team it's the playoffs and there's not time for this, from him losing his temper and punching glass and injuring himself.

This is just yet another thing from Smart. The most ironically named player in the NBA.

When you are winning, a player strengths stand out and you admire them, when you are losing a players flaws stand out and you loathe them.

Trust me, Smart's not one of those players.

A lot of times when winning you can be happy your team somehow has survived despite having an anchor around it.

celticfan42487 · Post #33 » by **celticfan42487** » Tue Nov 2, 2021 4:43 am

God Squad wrote:Regardless of how you feel about Smart or his play, IMO he's right on the money. Both the J's have horrible shot selection. Then add that they take so many a night and don't create for others.

They average over 45% from the floor and over 37% from 3 for their entire careers.

That's just not correct no matter how much others would like that to be the narrative that is told because it's fun.

If you're asking stud scorers who can't playmake to make up for the fact you have horrible playmakers around them you don't blame them for the roster construction.

That's just completely backwards thinking.

The answer is really boring and obvious, it's just bad roster construction around your talent. Most of that blame lies on Ainge's lap for missing on 100 first rounders and 50% on nothing but some of the worst luck in the league having every talented player around the Jays who were ironman previously suffering talent ending injuries.

Pablo Escobar · Post #34 » by **Pablo Escobar** » Tue Nov 2, 2021 4:44 am

They're lacking a floor general. How is Udokas coaching? is he running any plays or is it a iso heavy offense?

John Murdoch · Post #35 » by **John Murdoch** » Tue Nov 2, 2021 4:45 am

Celtics are like the Seahawks without Russell Wilson

God Squad · Post #36 » by **God Squad** » Tue Nov 2, 2021 4:46 am

celticfan42487 wrote:
God Squad wrote:Regardless of how you feel about Smart or his play, IMO he's right on the money. Both the J's have horrible shot selection. Then add that they take so many a night and don't create for others.

They average over 45% from the floor and over 37% from 3 for their entire careers.

That's just not correct no matter how much others would like that to be the narrative that is told because it's fun.

If you're asking stud scorers who can't playmake to make up for the fact you have horrible playmakers around them you don't blame them for the roster construction.

That's just completely backwards thinking.

The answer is really boring and obvious, it's just bad roster construction around your talent. Most of that blame lies on Ainge's lap for missing on 100 first rounders and 50% on nothing but some of the worst luck in the league having every talented player around the Jays who were ironman previously suffering talent ending injuries.

You see the team more so I'll agree. But whenever I watch them it's mostly your turn, my turn basketball (iso). Especially the last two years IMO.

But Ainge 100% gets blame for missing on all them picks. Just a bad return on depth that could have been added to round out the roster. Wasted that warchest, although he did get the J's.

Coxy · Post #37 » by **Coxy** » Tue Nov 2, 2021 4:47 am

You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. Tatum isn't going to let that happen.

Lockdown504090 · Post #38 » by **Lockdown504090** » Tue Nov 2, 2021 4:49 am

celticfan42487 wrote:
God Squad wrote:Regardless of how you feel about Smart or his play, IMO he's right on the money. Both the J's have horrible shot selection. Then add that they take so many a night and don't create for others.

They average over 45% from the floor and over 37% from 3 for their entire careers.

That's just not correct no matter how much others would like that to be the narrative that is told because it's fun.

If you're asking stud scorers who can't playmake to make up for the fact you have horrible playmakers around them you don't blame them for the roster construction.

That's just completely backwards thinking.

The answer is really boring and obvious, it's just bad roster construction around your talent. Most of that blame lies on Ainge's lap for mission on 100 first rounders and some on just bad luck for every player around them suffering talent ending injuries.

in this nba should your two best players really be bad playmakers though? AD has bron. Middleton is okay becasue freak. kawhi and pg kinda have the same issues but they are both better than these two. booker looked better with cp. assists arent the whole story, but where do you see the two best players average 6 assists per game while having the rock this much in todays game being about generating 3 pointers? im having trouble thinking of good teams that do this, not title teams, just good teams. its not one or the other, both need to get better. kobe freaking bryant has seasons averaging as many a assists as both of them combined with worse teammates.

DroseReturnChi · Post #39 » by **DroseReturnChi** » Tue Nov 2, 2021 4:49 am

smart doesnt know hes part of the problem. if im gm i ship all 3. holy fk these guys stinks. ego divas.
no wonder kyrie left these losers and joined a superteam.

ReKon · Post #40 » by **ReKon** » Tue Nov 2, 2021 4:49 am

I mean he is not wrong but this isn't exactly the most talented roster Boston has had. It's problemativ that Udoka as a new coach schematically seems to want this exact thing.

Tatum in particular has been pretty poor to start the season but it might just be me. Al Horford being the brightest spot in your team this far doesn't exactly inspire me with confidence about this Boston team though