Are Tatum, Booker, Young & Morant better than Doncic?

LesGrossman · Post #21 » by **LesGrossman** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 1:18 pm

Strepbacter wrote:Luka is the most overrated player in the league.

Hater identified.

jg77 · Post #22 » by **jg77** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 2:02 pm

Trae is best player of this group imo

Strepbacter · Post #23 » by **Strepbacter** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 2:03 pm

LesGrossman wrote:
Strepbacter wrote:Luka is the most overrated player in the league.

Hater identified.

Nah. Luka is trash. Guy cares more about his boxscore than winning games.

Lunartic · Post #24 » by **Lunartic** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 2:09 pm

Booker is incredibly overrated, he's not a top-10 player, maybe not top-15

sikma42 · Post #25 » by **sikma42** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 2:16 pm

10giz wrote:Luka is, IMO, the most skilled basketball player in history when taking age into account.

He is much slower and less athletic than all of those guys and is still able to devastate. Once he matures a bit and starts taking his body more seriously, it will be something to see.

He’s more athletic than Trae Young and probably comparable to Tatum.

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Jadoogar · Post #26 » by **Jadoogar** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 2:20 pm

Does Luka have a teammate anywhere close to Jaylen Brown, Chris Paul/Ayton, John Collins/Capela? Even JJJ is better than anyone on the Mavs roster.

Mavs have done a terrible job building around Luka. I understand the swing they took with Porzingis but he has clearly not worked out.

Franco · Post #27 » by **Franco** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 2:22 pm

Short answer: No.

Long answer: Hell no.

Post #28 » by **Harry Garris** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 2:25 pm

Ja Morant is the only guy among this group who has had a really strong start to this season.

I get that Luka is struggling but it doesn't make a lot of sense to bring up Tatum, Booker, and Trae Young because they have all been playing below the level that we'd expect out of players of their caliber as well.

Post #29 » by **Harry Garris** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 2:27 pm

sikma42 wrote:
10giz wrote:Luka is, IMO, the most skilled basketball player in history when taking age into account.

He is much slower and less athletic than all of those guys and is still able to devastate. Once he matures a bit and starts taking his body more seriously, it will be something to see.

He’s more athletic than Trae Young and probably comparable to Tatum.

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Trae Young is very athletic. He isn't a high flyer but he has incredible quickness and stop start ability which is why he's able to blow by people so easily. It's the main way in which he is similar to Steph Curry, both of them have the ability to shake their defender and get an open shot without much difficulty despite not being insane athletes from a traditional sense because they're both so lightning quick.

nikster · Post #30 » by **nikster** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 2:28 pm

Strepbacter wrote:
LesGrossman wrote:
Strepbacter wrote:Luka is the most overrated player in the league.

Hater identified.

Nah. Luka is trash. Guy cares more about his boxscore than winning games.

Lead his team to the Euroleague title, was one of the best players in Eurobasket 2017 as Slovenia won gold, Lead Slovenia to top 4 finish in their first ever Olympics, 2 NBA playoff series to 7 games where the other team was heavily favoured...

Your take is trash

K3nny Pow3rs · Post #31 » by **K3nny Pow3rs** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 2:30 pm

I think Young and Morant are more likely to lead a team to the championship than Doncic is.
They seem to understand the game better than Doncic, and make their teammates better.
Tatum and Doncic are lacking intellectually.

Archx · Post #32 » by **Archx** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 2:42 pm

K3nny Pow3rs wrote:I think Young and Morant are more likely to lead a team to the championship than Doncic is.
They seem to understand the game better than Doncic, and make their teammates better.
Tatum and Doncic are lacking intellectually.

First part, i wouldn't disagree, like you said, it's your opinion. But after that, everything else you said makes absolutely no sense at all because you presented it like it's a fact. And the worse part is, you can't even back that up with any statistic.

10giz · Post #33 » by **10giz** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 2:43 pm

nikster wrote:
Strepbacter wrote:
LesGrossman wrote:Hater identified.

Nah. Luka is trash. Guy cares more about his boxscore than winning games.

Lead his team to the Euroleague title, was one of the best players in Eurobasket 2017 as Slovenia won gold, Lead Slovenia to top 4 finish in their first ever Olympics, 2 NBA playoff series to 7 games where the other team was heavily favoured...

Your take is trash

Eh - some people talk without having any knowledge. Some of us were following Doncic since he was 15.

I was playing with him in each 2K 2 years prior to his draft.

No need to call the take trash when it came from a garbage can of a brain.

Ambrose · Post #34 » by **Ambrose** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 2:51 pm

Tatum and Booker don't belong in the same conversation as Luka. Morant, we'll need to wait and see how this hot start plays out over time, and Trae is the closest but still behind. It's still Luka by a good margin right now.

Crizzle · Post #35 » by **Crizzle** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 3:16 pm

While Ja has been amazing so far, its just a handful of games. Just as the slower start for Luka is just a handful of games. It would be foolish for this season to be the gauge of who the better player is, right? So if we are looking at complete body of work, no one should even blink before Luka Doncic pops into your head

Strepbacter · Post #36 » by **Strepbacter** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 5:03 pm

nikster wrote:
Strepbacter wrote:
LesGrossman wrote:Hater identified.

Nah. Luka is trash. Guy cares more about his boxscore than winning games.

Lead his team to the Euroleague title, was one of the best players in Eurobasket 2017 as Slovenia won gold, Lead Slovenia to top 4 finish in their first ever Olympics, 2 NBA playoff series to 7 games where the other team was heavily favoured...

Your take is trash

Nobody cares about what he does in second rate leagues. He isn't winning anything until he stops hogging the ball and starts playing some defense. Lik I said, he's the most overrated player in the league.

Madhouse · Post #37 » by **Madhouse** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 5:37 pm

Oscar9992 wrote:Are Jayson Tatum, Devin Booker, Trae Young & Ja Morant better than Doncic at this moment?

I think they are all playing better ATM.

Booker is barely even value on the floor, trending towards negative value even.

Tatum doesn't play defense anymore.

Trae Young is playing slightly better but not all that much.

Ja is killing it and probably the only one who can reach normal Doncic heights but he needs to improve his defense badly.

gorz · Post #38 » by **gorz** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 5:45 pm

Luka is still the best out of the group followed closely by Trae.

Tatum

Morant
Booker

gorz · Post #39 » by **gorz** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 5:49 pm

sikma42 wrote:
10giz wrote:Luka is, IMO, the most skilled basketball player in history when taking age into account.

He is much slower and less athletic than all of those guys and is still able to devastate. Once he matures a bit and starts taking his body more seriously, it will be something to see.

He’s more athletic than Trae Young and probably comparable to Tatum.

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Luka is definitely not more athletic than Trae. That being said Luka is still slightly better bc hes 6'7 and not far off skillwise from Trae.

sikma42 · Post #40 » by **sikma42** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 6:03 pm

gorz wrote:
sikma42 wrote:
10giz wrote:Luka is, IMO, the most skilled basketball player in history when taking age into account.

He is much slower and less athletic than all of those guys and is still able to devastate. Once he matures a bit and starts taking his body more seriously, it will be something to see.

He’s more athletic than Trae Young and probably comparable to Tatum.

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Luka is definitely not more athletic than Trae. That being said Luka is still slightly better bc hes 6'7 and not far off skillwise from Trae.

Being 6’7 and that strong, with that coordination and being able to decelerate like that. Luka is a much better athlete than Trae. Height matters when discussing athleticism on a basketball court.

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