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Warriors really going to win 60 games?
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The odd part is almost the same team was not a really good team last year. They just won 39/72 games (54%). And the best players played 90%+ of the games.
The core remained about the same: Curry/Dray/Wiggins/Poole/Looney/Lee/Toscano/GLA. The big difference is they replaced Oubre/Baze/Wiseman for Iggy/Otto/Bjelica in the rotation.
The core remained about the same: Curry/Dray/Wiggins/Poole/Looney/Lee/Toscano/GLA. The big difference is they replaced Oubre/Baze/Wiseman for Iggy/Otto/Bjelica in the rotation.
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Tor_Raps wrote:No one expected this from the Warriors without Klay. I'm going with 50 to 59 wins because they'll have to come back down to earth... right? Lol
Steph isn't shooting as good as he normally does and Klay isn't back. I wouldn't hold my breath if I was you.
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GSP wrote:Warriors Analyst wrote:GSP wrote:60 is the floor. They can hit 70.
You aren't serious, are you?
Isn't Klay back before the new year? This is 2015 Warriors all over again who won 67.
Yeah, I think Klay will make this team even formidable, but I have my worries about this team's health in the frontcourt and what the reintegration of Wiseman will do their flow. I mostly asked because I don't recall you ever being high on the Warriors, if I recall, it's usually anything but.
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Impuniti wrote:Tor_Raps wrote:No one expected this from the Warriors without Klay. I'm going with 50 to 59 wins because they'll have to come back down to earth... right? Lol
Steph isn't shooting as good as he normally does and Klay isn't back. I wouldn't hold my breath if I was you.
Hey, I'm cheering for the Warriors to win it all. I've been supporting them ever since KD left and thought they were legit championship contenders once Klay came back.
Someone should revisit that thread because majority of people counted the Warriors out WITH Klay.
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Richard4444 wrote:The odd part is almost the same team was not a really good team last year. They just won 39/72 games (54%). And the best players played 90%+ of the games.
The core remained about the same: Curry/Dray/Wiggins/Poole/Looney/Lee/Toscano/GLA. The big difference is they replaced Oubre/Baze/Wiseman for Iggy/Otto/Bjelica in the rotation.
It's not odd.
They were 15-5 in the last 20 games or a 60-win pace at the end of the season last year after Oubre and Wiseman sat and got injured. Without those two mucking up the offense, the team produced the record that lineup data even earlier in the year indicated they were capable of.
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Winsome Gerbil wrote:There's no indication they are actually this good. No excuse for it. No fresh crew or great rising talent. They'll come down, it's just a question of how soon and how far.
They had the best net rating in the NBA the final 2 months of the season last year, and their biggest issue was a lack of shooting (and scorers period) around Curry. They have better shooters now in Bjelicia, Porter and Poole. Adding Klay will only cement them as a deadly team offensively. Defensively they have a lot of athletes that buy into the system (+ the DPOY) as well as a smart as hell defensive floor general in Iguodala to lead their bench on that end. Are they as good as they have been playing? No, probably not, but they are clearly a top 6 team in the league with Curry + Green and solid help (the latter being the missing element last season, and they were still very tough when both were on the floor). With a healthy Klay, they are true contenders (that should not shock anyone who has not been living under a rock for the past 7 years).
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BoatsNZones wrote:Winsome Gerbil wrote:There's no indication they are actually this good. No excuse for it. No fresh crew or great rising talent. They'll come down, it's just a question of how soon and how far.
They had the best net rating in the NBA the final 2 months of the season last year, and their biggest issue was a lack of shooting (and scorers period) around Curry. They have better shooters now in Bjelicia, Porter and Poole. Adding Klay will only cement them as a deadly team offensively. Defensively they have a lot of athletes that buy into the system (+ the DPOY) as well as a smart as hell defensive floor general in Iguodala to lead their bench on that end. Are they as good as they have been playing? No, probably not, but they are clearly a top 6 team in the league with Curry + Green and solid help (the latter being the missing element last season, and they were still very tough when both were on the floor). With a healthy Klay, they are true contenders (that should not shock anyone who has not been living under a rock for the past 7 years).
Yes they are.
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Impuniti wrote:BoatsNZones wrote:Winsome Gerbil wrote:There's no indication they are actually this good. No excuse for it. No fresh crew or great rising talent. They'll come down, it's just a question of how soon and how far.
They had the best net rating in the NBA the final 2 months of the season last year, and their biggest issue was a lack of shooting (and scorers period) around Curry. They have better shooters now in Bjelicia, Porter and Poole. Adding Klay will only cement them as a deadly team offensively. Defensively they have a lot of athletes that buy into the system (+ the DPOY) as well as a smart as hell defensive floor general in Iguodala to lead their bench on that end. Are they as good as they have been playing? No, probably not, but they are clearly a top 6 team in the league with Curry + Green and solid help (the latter being the missing element last season, and they were still very tough when both were on the floor). With a healthy Klay, they are true contenders (that should not shock anyone who has not been living under a rock for the past 7 years).
Yes they are.
Well they're playing at a level that would pin them as a top 10 team in history (winning games by an average of 13+) so no, I don't think they're at that level.
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WarriorGM wrote:Winsome Gerbil wrote:There's no indication they are actually this good. No excuse for it. No fresh crew or great rising talent. They'll come down, it's just a question of how soon and how far.
Aside from the wins and their previous history of winning?
If you don't consider Curry the best player in the league, you don't appreciate him enough. Best player in the league is on the lower end of the spectrum of what he possibly really is.
The last time they had a "history of winning" their team featured 2 MVPs and 5 ALL NBA players and nobody had even heard of COVID yet. Their stars were all on the good side of 30.
This ain't then. Steph is 33, Dray's 31, Iggy's 38. If Klay ever comes back to play basketball again after years off, he'll be 31/32 coming off an achilles. They're surrounded by lots of career long mediocrities. There's nothing fresh and new enough here to explain a sudden explosion, so them hitting the upside of their random variation curve early in the season seems far more likely. Then one of their old guys will get hurt, somebody will come down to earth, they'll drop a couple and lose the rhythm. They could legit still be good, but these are not the worldbeaters of yore, nor are the GOAT defensive team, which is the real thing which has powered this burst.
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Richard4444 wrote:The odd part is almost the same team was not a really good team last year. They just won 39/72 games (54%). And the best players played 90%+ of the games.
The core remained about the same: Curry/Dray/Wiggins/Poole/Looney/Lee/Toscano/GLA. The big difference is they replaced Oubre/Baze/Wiseman for Iggy/Otto/Bjelica in the rotation.
I dont think its all that odd. They had about a 59 winning percentage in the games Curry played last year. That is just shy of a 50 win season pace.
And the rotation players difference makes a huge difference. You replaced very inconsistent and low IQ players with consistent smart players. And in this system that makes a huge difference. Guys like Porter and Bjelica fit this system far better than Oubre and Base. The team is just obviously running much smoother so far this year.
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Richard4444 wrote:The odd part is almost the same team was not a really good team last year. They just won 39/72 games (54%). And the best players played 90%+ of the games.
The core remained about the same: Curry/Dray/Wiggins/Poole/Looney/Lee/Toscano/GLA. The big difference is they replaced Oubre/Baze/Wiseman for Iggy/Otto/Bjelica in the rotation.
Small things make a big difference in the NBA though. The difference between the average 60 win team and the average .500 (41 win) team is only about a 4 point differential.
I mean last year the Warriors were dead last in rebounding and are now ranked 5th. That alone probably accounts for a good bulk of the difference. I pointed out last year if the Warriors could even hit a .500 rebound rate (just break even in rebounding) then based on their average points per posession they would have a better record than any team in the East and they would be the 3rd seed in the West.
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Winsome Gerbil wrote:WarriorGM wrote:Winsome Gerbil wrote:There's no indication they are actually this good. No excuse for it. No fresh crew or great rising talent. They'll come down, it's just a question of how soon and how far.
Aside from the wins and their previous history of winning?
If you don't consider Curry the best player in the league, you don't appreciate him enough. Best player in the league is on the lower end of the spectrum of what he possibly really is.
The last time they had a "history of winning" their two featured 2 MVPs and 5 ALL NBA players and nobody had even heard of COVID yet. Their stars were all on the good side of 30.
This ain't then. Steph is 33, Dray's 31, Iggy's 38. If Klay ever comes back to play basketball again after years off, he'll be 31/32 coming off an achilles. They're surrounded by lots of career long mediocrities. There's nothing fresh and new enough here to explain a sudden explosion, so them hitting the upside of their random variation curve early in the season seems far more likely. Then one of their old guys will get hurt, somebody will come down to earth, they'll drop a couple and lose the rhythm. They could legit still be good, but these are not the worldbeaters of yore, nor are the GOAT defensive team, which is the real thing which has powered this burst.
You are acting like Curry is still not clearly a top player in the league and Dray is still not clearly a top defensive player in the league. They're still very much in their prime and very much world beaters when they have the right cast around them. Iguodala is the only old one and he's simply filling a 20 minute a game bench role (something he is very capable of, and is actually shooting significantly lower from 3 right now then he will finish the season at). They will fall off from their current levels as they are unsustainable, but they are a force and will continue to be a force.
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Duke4life831 wrote:Richard4444 wrote:The odd part is almost the same team was not a really good team last year. They just won 39/72 games (54%). And the best players played 90%+ of the games.
The core remained about the same: Curry/Dray/Wiggins/Poole/Looney/Lee/Toscano/GLA. The big difference is they replaced Oubre/Baze/Wiseman for Iggy/Otto/Bjelica in the rotation.
I dont think its all that odd. They had about a 59 winning percentage in the games Curry played last year. That is just shy of a 50 win season pace.
And the rotation players difference makes a huge difference. You replaced very inconsistent and low IQ players with consistent smart players. And in this system that makes a huge difference. Guys like Porter and Bjelica fit this system far better than Oubre and Base. The team is just obviously running much smoother so far this year.
I don't know if replacing Oubre was such a difference-maker. He is playing well for Charlotte.
But Wiseman is an awful fit for GSW. The team can stop playing so well after adding Wiseman into the rotation. It could be subtraction by addition.
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Richard4444 wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:Richard4444 wrote:The odd part is almost the same team was not a really good team last year. They just won 39/72 games (54%). And the best players played 90%+ of the games.
The core remained about the same: Curry/Dray/Wiggins/Poole/Looney/Lee/Toscano/GLA. The big difference is they replaced Oubre/Baze/Wiseman for Iggy/Otto/Bjelica in the rotation.
I dont think its all that odd. They had about a 59 winning percentage in the games Curry played last year. That is just shy of a 50 win season pace.
And the rotation players difference makes a huge difference. You replaced very inconsistent and low IQ players with consistent smart players. And in this system that makes a huge difference. Guys like Porter and Bjelica fit this system far better than Oubre and Base. The team is just obviously running much smoother so far this year.
I don't know if replacing Oubre was such a difference-maker. He is playing well for Charlotte.
But Wiseman is an awful fit for GSW. The team can stop playing so well after adding Wiseman into the rotation. It could be subtraction by addition.
He maybe playing well this year (I wont lie, I think Ive caught 1 or 2 Hornets games this year). But he was horrible for GS last year. Extremely inconsistent with his jump shot (31% from 3), zero playmaking ability in an offense built around ball movement. And he's long and athletic, but a very undisciplined defender. What they're currently getting form OPJ and Bjelica so far has been far better than what they got from Oubre.
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Winsome Gerbil wrote:WarriorGM wrote:Winsome Gerbil wrote:There's no indication they are actually this good. No excuse for it. No fresh crew or great rising talent. They'll come down, it's just a question of how soon and how far.
Aside from the wins and their previous history of winning?
If you don't consider Curry the best player in the league, you don't appreciate him enough. Best player in the league is on the lower end of the spectrum of what he possibly really is.
The last time they had a "history of winning" their team featured 2 MVPs and 5 ALL NBA players and nobody had even heard of COVID yet. Their stars were all on the good side of 30.
This ain't then. Steph is 33, Dray's 31, Iggy's 38. If Klay ever comes back to play basketball again after years off, he'll be 31/32 coming off an achilles. They're surrounded by lots of career long mediocrities. There's nothing fresh and new enough here to explain a sudden explosion, so them hitting the upside of their random variation curve early in the season seems far more likely. Then one of their old guys will get hurt, somebody will come down to earth, they'll drop a couple and lose the rhythm. They could legit still be good, but these are not the worldbeaters of yore, nor are the GOAT defensive team, which is the real thing which has powered this burst.
Contrary to what some may have convinced themselves or forgotten the Warriors were a historical record winning team even when there was only one MVP on that team and he is still there.
What did we see since their appearance in the 2019 finals? A year of injury that tells us nothing and then last year when Curry while saddled with a roster that was the worst in the league the previous year still produced probably the greatest year a star has ever produced with a team that finished last the previous year. During the off-season all the negative players were replaced with veterans. What we are seeing this year was very predictable. If you were led to believe otherwise than I suggest you consider consulting better sources.
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Winsome Gerbil wrote:WarriorGM wrote:Winsome Gerbil wrote:There's no indication they are actually this good. No excuse for it. No fresh crew or great rising talent. They'll come down, it's just a question of how soon and how far.
Aside from the wins and their previous history of winning?
If you don't consider Curry the best player in the league, you don't appreciate him enough. Best player in the league is on the lower end of the spectrum of what he possibly really is.
The last time they had a "history of winning" their team featured 2 MVPs and 5 ALL NBA players and nobody had even heard of COVID yet. Their stars were all on the good side of 30.
This ain't then. Steph is 33, Dray's 31, Iggy's 38. If Klay ever comes back to play basketball again after years off, he'll be 31/32 coming off an achilles. They're surrounded by lots of career long mediocrities. There's nothing fresh and new enough here to explain a sudden explosion, so them hitting the upside of their random variation curve early in the season seems far more likely. Then one of their old guys will get hurt, somebody will come down to earth, they'll drop a couple and lose the rhythm. They could legit still be good, but these are not the worldbeaters of yore, nor are the GOAT defensive team, which is the real thing which has powered this burst.
You're making the same mistake a lot of non-Warriors fans make. The Warriors are dominating teams like the Nets because of defense. And that's because Kerr is the best coach in the NBA and coaches his team higher above its talent level than anyone else.
I love Curry, he's the most dangerous scorer on the planet and has turned into a solid defender but our winning comes from team defense and how everyone starting and off the bench buys in. Most shrugged off the players we added in the offseason but you don't have to give Kerr great talent, you just have to give him high IQ guys willing to play hard every moment they're out there.
Looking at the vets we have plus the defensive potential of guys like Kuminga and Moody and I think it's entirely possible we're the GOAT defense this season.
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Barring injuries 60 wins will be pretty easy for the Dubs. They are probably looking at like 67 wins, could get 70 if they really want to. I'm expecting like an 18 game winning streak pretty soon. Once they get Klay back it's wrap. They never would have lost the two games they lost with Klay on the floor.
You have to remember the Warriors are the best organization. They have the best GM. They have the best coach. And they have the great one, Stephen Wardell Curry II. They have a great supporting cast with Draymond, Wiggins, Poole, Iggy, etc, etc. Nobody is stopping those boys. Barring injury it will be an easy chip for the Dubs this year. GSW is known as "light years ahead" for a reason.
You have to remember the Warriors are the best organization. They have the best GM. They have the best coach. And they have the great one, Stephen Wardell Curry II. They have a great supporting cast with Draymond, Wiggins, Poole, Iggy, etc, etc. Nobody is stopping those boys. Barring injury it will be an easy chip for the Dubs this year. GSW is known as "light years ahead" for a reason.
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ch434355 wrote:They've still played a soft schedule.
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I think this team is easily going to win 60 games or more. Steph is as good as he ever was, and unlike last year, this team has, even without Klay, two guys that can average 18 ppg. One of them is a solid two-way wing, the other is a 6'4" scoring guard. If you try to take Steph out of the game, you will now have to pay more than you did last year. Their defense is elite with Draymond captaining it. There are a lot of versatile, lengthy athletes all over the roster. Kuminga will be useful down the line. GPII already is. Wiseman could be helpful. They have a great defense and the way Steph is, he doesn't even have to have dominant game for them to win, because they have a decent enough offense with him just playing "okay."
And then, of course, Klay Thompson, one of the top 5 shooters of all time, is coming back. Word on the street is that he looks like he was never injured. Even a Klay that can get 15-16 ppg and be a plus defender would be huge, but there's a chance he can get 20-22 ppg. GSW is now loaded. They're going to be a tough, tough out. If LeBron has officially fallen off, which looks quite possible, the only serious threats to them are the Clippers with Kawhi and maybe the Nuggets if Murray can be healthy enough by the playoffs. The Nets would beat this team if Kyrie weren't an idiot, but that's not the case so not counting them as contenders.
GSW will win 60 games this year, easily.
And then, of course, Klay Thompson, one of the top 5 shooters of all time, is coming back. Word on the street is that he looks like he was never injured. Even a Klay that can get 15-16 ppg and be a plus defender would be huge, but there's a chance he can get 20-22 ppg. GSW is now loaded. They're going to be a tough, tough out. If LeBron has officially fallen off, which looks quite possible, the only serious threats to them are the Clippers with Kawhi and maybe the Nuggets if Murray can be healthy enough by the playoffs. The Nets would beat this team if Kyrie weren't an idiot, but that's not the case so not counting them as contenders.
GSW will win 60 games this year, easily.
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so well coached, so many long capable defenders and curry playing like its 2016. They're definitely scary again