If not Denver, where does Jokic land in 2023?

ciueli · Post #21 » by **ciueli** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:32 am

The supermax is a lot of money to walk away from. Giannis didn't, and Jokic might not either. 35% of the cap vs. 30%. 8% raises vs. 5% raises. A fifth year vs. only 4 years. It's a big difference when looking at the amount of guaranteed money.

Also keep in mind that any team that signs him is going to have to clear about 1/3rd the cap while still fielding a competitive team (harder than it sounds given the inability to use the MLE the year a team use cap space and cap holds for incomplete roster).

Catchall · Post #22 » by **Catchall** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:41 am

He'd fit well with KD and Kyrie.

Sgt Major · Post #23 » by **Sgt Major** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:15 am

Duke4life831 wrote:I said Dallas just because of Luka. I don’t know if those two are close or not though.

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Post #24 » by **HomoSapien** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:05 am

As others have said, Chicago should be on this poll. Joker has a strong relationship with Arturas Karnisovas from their Denver days and the Bulls have the depth, talent, and health that Denver currently doesn’t have. It’s also obviously an incredible market.

Karnišovas developed strong bonds with many people during his Nuggets’ tenure. Jokić is certainly one of them. When the Bulls and Nuggets played in March, Jokić acknowledged as much and addressed Karnišovas' new role.

“I just have a long relationship with him. He’s from Europe so (we) have a similar mindset. He’s a great guy to have," Jokić said. "This is a new challenge for him. I’m looking forward to see what he’s going to do. They have an All-Star this year [Zach LaVine] so that’s a good thing. I wish him all the best."

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/bulls-arturas-karnisovas-had-role-nikola-jokics-historic-rise

Post #25 » by **Duke4life831** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:09 am

HomoSapien wrote:As others have said, Chicago should be on this poll. Joker has a strong relationship with Arturas Karnisovas from their Denver days and the Bulls have the depth, talent, and health that Denver currently doesn’t have. It’s also obviously an incredible market.

I just think he is the one player in the NBA where market doesnt matter. Every chance he has he goes back to Serbia to ride his horses. He doesnt have any social media. I mean does he even go out when he's in the US? I just think market size will have zero impact on where he would choose to play basketball.

The High Cyde · Post #26 » by **The High Cyde** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:17 am

My team obviously

Post #27 » by **HomoSapien** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:20 am

Duke4life831 wrote:
HomoSapien wrote:As others have said, Chicago should be on this poll. Joker has a strong relationship with Arturas Karnisovas from their Denver days and the Bulls have the depth, talent, and health that Denver currently doesn’t have. It’s also obviously an incredible market.

I just think he is the one player in the NBA where market doesnt matter. Every chance he has he goes back to Serbia to ride his horses. He doesnt have any social media. I mean does he even go out when he's in the US? I just think market size will have zero impact on where he would choose to play basketball.

Good point, you’re probably right with the market thing.

Sgt Major · Post #28 » by **Sgt Major** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:26 am

Chicago is a great market for Serbs, tho. After Belgrade, Chicago has the 2nd largest population of Serbs in the world, with around 350.000 ethnic Serbs living there.

Ballerhogger · Post #29 » by **Ballerhogger** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:41 am

He’s not going anywhere but if he did maybe the clippers ,

Ballerhogger · Post #30 » by **Ballerhogger** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:43 am

Catchall wrote:He'd fit well with KD and Kyrie.

I don’t think so personality wises

BostonCouchGM · Post #31 » by **BostonCouchGM** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:50 am

Boston. It'll be a sign and trade for Jaylen, Smart, TimeLord and 1st round swaps

KGtabake · Post #32 » by **KGtabake** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:56 am

Just like Giannis, "markets" don't mean anything for Jokic.
The former stayed in Milwaukee (3rd smallest market in the league), the latter will stay in Denver.

Post #33 » by **Mavrelous** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:58 am

Sgt Major wrote:Chicago is a great market for Serbs, tho. After Belgrade, Chicago has the 2nd largest population of Serbs in the world, with around 350.000 ethnic Serbs living there.

More than Sweden and Switzerland?

Post #34 » by **Mavrelous** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:59 am

He's the star least likely to leave, and man do the Nuggets look like G-league w/o him and contender with him.

Sgt Major · Post #35 » by **Sgt Major** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:18 am

KhalilS wrote:
Sgt Major wrote:Chicago is a great market for Serbs, tho. After Belgrade, Chicago has the 2nd largest population of Serbs in the world, with around 350.000 ethnic Serbs living there.

More than Sweden and Switzerland?

Those are countries, but I'm still pretty sure that Chicago has more ethnic Serbs than either of those two.

dk1115 · Post #36 » by **dk1115** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:31 am

Isn't it also likely he wouldn't get drafted?

10giz · Post #37 » by **10giz** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:46 am

Dr Aki wrote:
iLLmatic860 wrote:
Dr Aki wrote:
61 mil in cap space

also, caruso is the least hollywood superstar ever and the fans went bananas over him

Jokic is not signing with the Lakers lol

yeh, it's not as if the lakers have a tradition of building winning multi-year championship teams around all-time great centers

Building? The Lakers have literally lucked into the last 45 years of success. Don't get me wrong, luck matters, but to act as if it was built from the ground up isn't true...When you think about it, the Lakers might be the luckiest franchise in sports.

Wilt (demanded trade to West Coast) for Darrall Imhoff, Archie Clark, and Jerry Chambers.

Kareem (demanded trade to LA or NY) for Elmore Smith, Brian Winters, Dave Meyers, and Junior Bridgeman

Gail Goodrich demands to leave LA. Signs with the Jazz on his own. Leads to compensation of Lakers getting their pick. They happen be terrible the year of the pick. Coin toss to determine who gets 1st between LAL and CHI. LAL wins. Drafts Magic Johnson. CHI drafts....David Greenwood.

Lucking into James Worthy from a throwaway trade 2 years prior that included a future 1st that ended up being #1.

Lucking into Shaq because ORL was historically cheap offering him half of what he was worth and multiple other teams bowing out before the Lakers got it done.

Kobe (wouldn't report) for Vlade Divac.

Marc Gasol and scraps for Pau.

Lebron decides to choose LA as his new home base bringing AD with him.

Again, ain't nobody can take anything away from the franchise, but the Lakers dynasty, at least from 1975 on is pretty much due to luck and convenience.

Dr Aki · Post #38 » by **Dr Aki** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:11 am

10giz wrote:
Dr Aki wrote:
iLLmatic860 wrote:Jokic is not signing with the Lakers lol

yeh, it's not as if the lakers have a tradition of building winning multi-year championship teams around all-time great centers

Building? The Lakers have literally lucked into the last 45 years of success. Don't get me wrong, luck matters, but to act as if it was built from the ground up isn't true...When you think about it, the Lakers might be the luckiest franchise in sports.

Wilt (demanded trade to West Coast) for Darrall Imhoff, Archie Clark, and Jerry Chambers.

Kareem (demanded trade to LA or NY) for Elmore Smith, Brian Winters, Dave Meyers, and Junior Bridgeman

Gail Goodrich demands to leave LA. Signs with the Jazz on his own. Leads to compensation of Lakers getting their pick. They happen be terrible the year of the pick. Coin toss to determine who gets 1st between LAL and CHI. LAL wins. Drafts Magic Johnson. CHI drafts....David Greenwood.

Lucking into James Worthy from a throwaway trade 2 years prior that included a future 1st that ended up being #1.

Lucking into Shaq because ORL was historically cheap offering him half of what he was worth and multiple other teams bowing out before the Lakers got it done.

Kobe (wouldn't report) for Vlade Divac.

Marc Gasol and scraps for Pau.

Lebron decides to choose LA as his new home base bringing AD with him.

Again, ain't nobody can take anything away from the franchise, but the Lakers dynasty, at least from 1975 on is pretty much due to luck and convenience.

so having success, and then parlaying that success into more success is apparently, just luck

well guess what, the lakers had to have done something right in the first place, and something right again and again, decade after decade, to keep the gravy train rolling on, to continue to be able to shortcut the process, so that they don't have do it "the hard way"

do you honestly believe, that if it wasn't magic johnson or shaq, or lebron, or [insert superstar here], the lakers wouldn't have found their way to a different superstar?

that the lakers, without their "luck", would sit idly by, and just allow themselves to become the knicks?

what the lakers have, isn't luck, it's brand power. and the brand power that the lakers have? that was built.

and you're kidding yourself if you think the lakers will ever relinquish it willingly

DroseReturnChi · Post #39 » by **DroseReturnChi** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:36 am

iLLmatic860 wrote:lol why are the Lakers an option...Jokic is the least hollywood superstar ever lol

because lakers get everyone???

Johnny Firpo · Post #40 » by **Johnny Firpo** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:47 am

Catchall wrote:He'd fit well with KD and Kyrie.

That would be an unfair team, haha.