Would James Harden and Blake Griffin for Lonzo Ball and Nikola Vucevic trade be upgrade for the Nets ?

[danvato]

lol, hey where is that thread about Riley being a genius not trading Herro for Harden.

And this is after a 36-10-10 in a win. I get that people are over triple double and all, but come on now. Also like how you threw in Blake in the trade. For what purpose exactly? He's on a vet min and out of the rotation.

Image Hardens value being Lonzo Ball and Vucevic. Yikes.

[danvato]

Imagine thinking Ball and Vucevic are better than a former MVP.

He hasn't been great this year. But hes still WAY better than those guys. Bulls would take that deal in 5 seconds.

Imagine believing this.

What does Harden add to the Bulls? They already have 2 guys in the top 10 in scoring this year. You really think they would take a deal to give up their starting PG and C for Harden?

Dude is 32 with this lowest FG% since he was a rookie. Career low in 3Pt%. Lowest PPG since he played for OKC. Leads the NBA in TO per game. Makes 44M a year with an option to opt out next year.

Yeah im sure the bulls would be all over a guy like that.

Zip up your pants. Your James Hardon is hanging out.

Ignoring most of the drivel that came after, but to your first point about 2 top 10 scorers, think back long and hard who was on the Nets last year before they got Harden. Somehow they got better.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Imagine thinking Ball and Vucevic are better than a former MVP.

He hasn't been great this year. But hes still WAY better than those guys. Bulls would take that deal in 5 seconds.

You have to consider contract. Harden could leave in the summer, not worth the risk.

Contract wise sure. But talent no.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Imagine thinking Ball and Vucevic are better than a former MVP.

He hasn't been great this year. But hes still WAY better than those guys. Bulls would take that deal in 5 seconds.

Imagine believing this.

What does Harden add to the Bulls? They already have 2 guys in the top 10 in scoring this year. You really think they would take a deal to give up their starting PG and C for Harden?

Dude is 32 with this lowest FG% since he was a rookie. Career low in 3Pt%. Lowest PPG since he played for OKC. Leads the NBA in TO per game. Makes 44M a year with an option to opt out next year.

Yeah im sure the bulls would be all over a guy like that.

Zip up your pants. Your James Hardon is hanging out.

What does he add to the Bulls?

Harden was an MVP candidate just last season. He had injury and had a bad start to the year. But hes on his way to getting back to normal.

What have Vucevic or Ball ever done? Ball is a nice role player. Vucevic is having one of his worst seasons as well.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Imagine thinking Ball and Vucevic are better than a former MVP.

So I assume Westbrook is #1 on your list of trade targets as a former MVP too right? Since we're ignoring their fit/contract, current production, and projected production going forward. I think a lot of Lakers fans would be very happy to hear that.

The Westbrook MVP was stupid and everyone knew it.

Westbrook also hasn't played well in 3 or 4 years. And is not coming off injury.

Harden was an MVP candidate just last year and is coming back from a hamstring injury.

If you're going to bet that Harden can't go back to who he was just last year then you are delusional.

[InsideInfo]

lol, hey where is that thread about Riley being a genius not trading Herro for Harden.

And this is after a 36-10-10 in a win. I get that people are over triple double and all, but come on now. Also like how you threw in Blake in the trade. For what purpose exactly? He's on a vet min and out of the rotation.

Image Hardens value being Lonzo Ball and Vucevic. Yikes.

Balls value is up drastically over the past few years. Vucevic is a guy who has made a few All star games and doesn't have a bad contract.

Hardens value is WAY down. Pretty large decline in his production they you want to ignore. FG% down. 3pt% down. PPG down.

His contract is not in a good spot.. you either let him walk, pay him an absurd amount to stay, or he ops in and is the second highest paid player in the NBA at over 47M a year.

I'm sorry if you don't like it, but these are the facts. This is not MVP harden anymore. Bulls wouldn't touch this trade if Nets tossed in a 1RP.

It makes literally zero sense for the bulls to do this.

[nitric0]

Hard no from Chicago. Why would they do this? They have two alphas. Ball and Vooch fit better with them than Harden does.

[KembaWalker]

If Kevin Durant wasn't as good of a carry as he is Harden would be in the same boat as WB.
I know he's still putting up some numbers but eye test wise from what he used to be compared to now... supremely washed up.

[InsideInfo]

Imagine thinking Ball and Vucevic are better than a former MVP.

He hasn't been great this year. But hes still WAY better than those guys. Bulls would take that deal in 5 seconds.

Imagine believing this.

What does Harden add to the Bulls? They already have 2 guys in the top 10 in scoring this year. You really think they would take a deal to give up their starting PG and C for Harden?

Dude is 32 with this lowest FG% since he was a rookie. Career low in 3Pt%. Lowest PPG since he played for OKC. Leads the NBA in TO per game. Makes 44M a year with an option to opt out next year.

Yeah im sure the bulls would be all over a guy like that.

Zip up your pants. Your James Hardon is hanging out.

What does he add to the Bulls?

Harden was an MVP candidate just last season. He had injury and had a bad start to the year. But hes on his way to getting back to normal.

What have Vucevic or Ball ever done? Ball is a nice role player. Vucevic is having one of his worst seasons as well.

Yes what does he add to the bulls? You never answered the question. Yes I can admit the Vuc is having a down year.. for some reason you cant do the same regarding Harden... rather blaming an injury.

He is getting back to normal? His last 8 games: 38.4% FG and 23.6% 3FG

This whole conversation is silly. You are a Nets Homer who wants to pretend like Harden isn't declining. He can opt out of his deal making him less desirable.

The bulls are 10 games over 500 and are not trading 2 starters for this dude. Never gunna happen.

[Ballerhogger]

The bulls defense gets progressively worst . Plus vuviec is 100% better than Blake .

[Hello Brooklyn]

Imagine believing this.

What does Harden add to the Bulls? They already have 2 guys in the top 10 in scoring this year. You really think they would take a deal to give up their starting PG and C for Harden?

Dude is 32 with this lowest FG% since he was a rookie. Career low in 3Pt%. Lowest PPG since he played for OKC. Leads the NBA in TO per game. Makes 44M a year with an option to opt out next year.

Yeah im sure the bulls would be all over a guy like that.

Zip up your pants. Your James Hardon is hanging out.

What does he add to the Bulls?

Harden was an MVP candidate just last season. He had injury and had a bad start to the year. But hes on his way to getting back to normal.

What have Vucevic or Ball ever done? Ball is a nice role player. Vucevic is having one of his worst seasons as well.

Yes what does he add to the bulls? You never answered the question. Yes I can admit the Vuc is having a down year.. for some reason you cant do the same regarding Harden... rather blaming an injury.

He is getting back to normal? His last 8 games: 38.4% FG and 23.6% 3FG

This whole conversation is silly. You are a Nets Homer who wants to pretend like Harden isn't declining. He can opt out of his deal making him less desirable.

The bulls are 10 games over 500 and are not trading 2 starters for this dude. Never gunna happen.

What does he add?

Elite scoring and playmaking. Who wouldn't want that?

Yes this conversation is silly. The Bulls obviously wants to get better. Clearly Harden makes them better.

Harden despite his bad start is shooting .58 TS which is just slightly lower than Derozan and Lavine. Vucevic is at .48 and Ball is at .56. Both less efficient than Harden on a lower volume.

I love how saying Harden is better than Ball or Vucevic makes me a homer

90% of NBA fans would agree.

I've actually been very critical of Harden this year. But saying hes not better than Ball or Vucevic is just stupid.

What a joke. The Bulls would do that deal in 5 seconds. And you are utterly delusional if you believe otherwise.

[Hello Brooklyn]

lol, hey where is that thread about Riley being a genius not trading Herro for Harden.

And this is after a 36-10-10 in a win. I get that people are over triple double and all, but come on now. Also like how you threw in Blake in the trade. For what purpose exactly? He's on a vet min and out of the rotation.

Image Hardens value being Lonzo Ball and Vucevic. Yikes.

Balls value is up drastically over the past few years. Vucevic is a guy who has made a few All star games and doesn't have a bad contract.

Hardens value is WAY down. Pretty large decline in his production they you want to ignore. FG% down. 3pt% down. PPG down.

His contract is not in a good spot.. you either let him walk, pay him an absurd amount to stay, or he ops in and is the second highest paid player in the NBA at over 47M a year.

I'm sorry if you don't like it, but these are the facts. This is not MVP harden anymore. Bulls wouldn't touch this trade if Nets tossed in a 1RP.

It makes literally zero sense for the bulls to do this.

By this brilliant logic Damian Lillard's stats and efficiency are also way down.

His FG and 3 pt are all a career low.

I'm sure nobody would trade for him either.

Oh wait a 2 month period of a Superstar player isn't enough to prove they've declined?
Shocking.

[G35]

I would do that deal for the Nets yesterday. They don't need Harden's scoring. Patty Mills was the closer against the Lakers and that was without KD.

With Lonzo, he gets shooters that he can set up and then he can focus more on the defensive side. Harden's crappy leadership and poor defensive tendencies are going to hurt the Nets in the playoffs, I guarantee it.....

[InsideInfo]

What does he add to the Bulls?

Harden was an MVP candidate just last season. He had injury and had a bad start to the year. But hes on his way to getting back to normal.

What have Vucevic or Ball ever done? Ball is a nice role player. Vucevic is having one of his worst seasons as well.

Yes what does he add to the bulls? You never answered the question. Yes I can admit the Vuc is having a down year.. for some reason you cant do the same regarding Harden... rather blaming an injury.

He is getting back to normal? His last 8 games: 38.4% FG and 23.6% 3FG

This whole conversation is silly. You are a Nets Homer who wants to pretend like Harden isn't declining. He can opt out of his deal making him less desirable.

The bulls are 10 games over 500 and are not trading 2 starters for this dude. Never gunna happen.

What does he add?

Elite scoring and playmaking. Who wouldn't want that?

Yes this conversation is silly. The Bulls obviously wants to get better. Clearly Harden makes them better.

Harden despite his bad start is shooting .58 TS which is just slightly lower than Derozan and Lavine. Vucevic is at .48 and Ball is at .56.

I love how saying Harden is better than Bull or Vucevic makes me a homer

90% of NBA fans would agree.

I've actually been very critical of Harden this year. But saying hes not better than Ball or Vucevic is just stupid.

What a joke. The Bulls would do that deal in 5 seconds. And you are utterly delusional if you believe otherwise.

1- Bulls don't need elite scoring... they already have that.
2- Harden does not clearly make them better.
3- Harden is the best of those 3, but he does not have more value than the other 2 combined especially when you factor in contracts, age, and the fit on the team.
4- 90% of fans are dipshits
5- The bulls would not do this deal. They just wouldnt. Trade away the players we got over the past year for a guy who can walk at the end of the season? Risk fkin up what they have going right now?

Look at this thread... anyone else agreeing with you? Anyone saying "oh hell no that not enough for Harden!"

Anyone saying this makes the nets worst?

If Harden made 10m a year less, and didnt have an opt out at the end of the season it would be worth having a conversation... but thats not the reality.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I would do that deal for the Nets yesterday. They don't need Harden's scoring. Patty Mills was the closer against the Lakers and that was without KD.

With Lonzo, he gets shooters that he can set up and then he can focus more on the defensive side. Harden's crappy leadership and poor defensive tendencies are going to hurt the Nets in the playoffs, I guarantee it.....

They don't need Harden's scoring?

Harden was the reason the Nets were up in that game. They needed Mills and Harden.

Not to mention that the Nets are a top 5 defense. And Harden is a better passer and averages far more assists than Ball anyway.

Your entire argument proves you don't watch the Nets.

[BallerTalk]

It's just impossible to take RealGM seriously sometimes.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Yes what does he add to the bulls? You never answered the question. Yes I can admit the Vuc is having a down year.. for some reason you cant do the same regarding Harden... rather blaming an injury.

He is getting back to normal? His last 8 games: 38.4% FG and 23.6% 3FG

This whole conversation is silly. You are a Nets Homer who wants to pretend like Harden isn't declining. He can opt out of his deal making him less desirable.

The bulls are 10 games over 500 and are not trading 2 starters for this dude. Never gunna happen.

What does he add?

Elite scoring and playmaking. Who wouldn't want that?

Yes this conversation is silly. The Bulls obviously wants to get better. Clearly Harden makes them better.

Harden despite his bad start is shooting .58 TS which is just slightly lower than Derozan and Lavine. Vucevic is at .48 and Ball is at .56.

I love how saying Harden is better than Bull or Vucevic makes me a homer

90% of NBA fans would agree.

I've actually been very critical of Harden this year. But saying hes not better than Ball or Vucevic is just stupid.

What a joke. The Bulls would do that deal in 5 seconds. And you are utterly delusional if you believe otherwise.

1- Bulls don't need elite scoring... they already have that.
2- Harden does not clearly make them better.
3- Harden is the best of those 3, but he does not have more value than the other 2 combined especially when you factor in contracts, age, and the fit on the team.
4- 90% of fans are dipshits
5- The bulls would not do this deal. They just wouldnt. Trade away the players we got over the past year for a guy who can walk at the end of the season? Risk fkin up what they have going right now?

Look at this thread... anyone else agreeing with you? Anyone saying "oh hell no that not enough for Harden!"

Anyone saying this makes the nets worst?

If Harden made 10m a year less, and didnt have an opt out at the end of the season it would be worth having a conversation... but thats not the reality.

LOL.

The Bulls don't need elite scoring.

I'm done.

[InsideInfo]

What does he add?

Elite scoring and playmaking. Who wouldn't want that?

Yes this conversation is silly. The Bulls obviously wants to get better. Clearly Harden makes them better.

Harden despite his bad start is shooting .58 TS which is just slightly lower than Derozan and Lavine. Vucevic is at .48 and Ball is at .56.

I love how saying Harden is better than Bull or Vucevic makes me a homer

90% of NBA fans would agree.

I've actually been very critical of Harden this year. But saying hes not better than Ball or Vucevic is just stupid.

What a joke. The Bulls would do that deal in 5 seconds. And you are utterly delusional if you believe otherwise.

1- Bulls don't need elite scoring... they already have that.
2- Harden does not clearly make them better.
3- Harden is the best of those 3, but he does not have more value than the other 2 combined especially when you factor in contracts, age, and the fit on the team.
4- 90% of fans are dipshits
5- The bulls would not do this deal. They just wouldnt. Trade away the players we got over the past year for a guy who can walk at the end of the season? Risk fkin up what they have going right now?

Look at this thread... anyone else agreeing with you? Anyone saying "oh hell no that not enough for Harden!"

Anyone saying this makes the nets worst?

If Harden made 10m a year less, and didnt have an opt out at the end of the season it would be worth having a conversation... but thats not the reality.

LOL.

The Bulls don't need elite scoring.

I'm done.

They already have it. There is only one ball dude. Lavine and DDR are the elite scoring. They are 5th and 6th in the NBA in PPG.

No they dont need James Hardens scoring.

[Hangtime84]

Bulls are fine in the scoring department. If I was nitpicking we need more bench scoring that’s about it.

Only two players on the current nets team would be considered upgrades to the current bulls needs LaMarcus and KD.

[reamily]

Quick no, imagine him harden playing with zach and demar and his contract.. case of bad timing in all fronts