Embiid is the Best Big man in the Game

eyeatoma · Post #21 » by **eyeatoma** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:06 am

JimmyPlopper wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
JimmyPlopper wrote:He is very impressive and a clear 2nd best. No shame in that. Jokic to me is better. I can understand the viewpoint of those who would favor Embiid - due to his ability to be a defensive anchor. But I don't think it offsets the edge the Jokic provides on offense. He is a Point Center basically and one of the best passers I've ever seen.

Lol none of the bigs, including Jokic can do this.

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That's a fun statistic. Good for him, although it doesn't relate to my post which you quoted.

It does in that Jokic is not on the same level as a scorer or defender no matter what defensive advanced stats say.

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Gasolina · Post #22 » by **Gasolina** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:08 am

eyeatoma wrote:
JimmyPlopper wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:

Lol none of the bigs, including Jokic can do this.

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That's a fun statistic. Good for him, although it doesn't relate to my post which you quoted.
It does in that Jokic is not on the same level as a scorer or defender no matter what defensive advanced stats say.

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Because of a single game against the worst team in the league where he scored points at an incredibly fast rate?

JimmyPlopper · Post #23 » by **JimmyPlopper** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:08 am

eyeatoma wrote:
JimmyPlopper wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:

Lol none of the bigs, including Jokic can do this.

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That's a fun statistic. Good for him, although it doesn't relate to my post which you quoted.
It does in that Jokic is not on the same level as a scorer or defender no matter what defensive advanced stats say.

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Respectfully, my post doesn't say anything like that. I said offensively not just at scoring. So this includes passing, setting screens and other elements of offense which are not part of scoring

Optms · Post #24 » by **Optms** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:12 am

lonzo_pelota wrote:way to go embiid, excellent way to make everyone forget about this dandy of a dunk, drop a 50piece

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Jokic would have moved out of the way.

dygaction · Post #25 » by **dygaction** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:17 am

eyeatoma wrote:
JimmyPlopper wrote:He is very impressive and a clear 2nd best. No shame in that. Jokic to me is better. I can understand the viewpoint of those who would favor Embiid - due to his ability to be a defensive anchor. But I don't think it offsets the edge the Jokic provides on offense. He is a Point Center basically and one of the best passers I've ever seen.

Lol none of the bigs, including Jokic can do this.

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Will be more impressed if Bamba did not have a career high night with 80% 12/15 FG.

Pablo Escobar · Post #26 » by **Pablo Escobar** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:21 am

HotelVitale · Post #27 » by **HotelVitale** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:24 am

dygaction wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
JimmyPlopper wrote:He is very impressive and a clear 2nd best. No shame in that. Jokic to me is better. I can understand the viewpoint of those who would favor Embiid - due to his ability to be a defensive anchor. But I don't think it offsets the edge the Jokic provides on offense. He is a Point Center basically and one of the best passers I've ever seen.
Lol none of the bigs, including Jokic can do this.
Will be more impressed if Bamba did not have a career high night with 80% 12/15 FG.

LOL, bud, what are you--who didn't watch the game and probably has no idea who Mo Bamba actually is--actually saying happened here? You're probably not even going to claim that Bamba owned Embiid in the post because while you don't know anything about him that still doesn't sound right. And you're probably not going to claim that he was out-hustling him or out-working him for putbacks all night, cuz again that doesn't sound like other comments you've heard about Mo Bamba. And you also don't have any idea how someone like Mo Bamba could be scoring over and through Embiid.

Not sure what that leaves us with, but please finish it off here. Tell us how the stat line for Mo Bamba that you saw while glancing at the box score for 5 seconds tell us that Embiid's game wasn't that impressive.

eyeatoma · Post #28 » by **eyeatoma** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:28 am

Gasolina wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
JimmyPlopper wrote:
That's a fun statistic. Good for him, although it doesn't relate to my post which you quoted.
It does in that Jokic is not on the same level as a scorer or defender no matter what defensive advanced stats say.

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Because of a single game against the worst team in the league where he scored points at an incredibly fast rate?

Nope, he is per 36 one of the greatest scorers of all time.

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eyeatoma · Post #29 » by **eyeatoma** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:29 am

JimmyPlopper wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
JimmyPlopper wrote:
That's a fun statistic. Good for him, although it doesn't relate to my post which you quoted.
It does in that Jokic is not on the same level as a scorer or defender no matter what defensive advanced stats say.

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Respectfully, my post doesn't say anything like that. I said offensively not just at scoring. So this includes passing, setting screens and other elements of offense which are not part of scoring

Yup agreed...

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Hobo4President · Post #30 » by **Hobo4President** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:32 am

Nah, Jokic and Giannis are still better

Kurt Heimlich · Post #31 » by **Kurt Heimlich** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:33 am

I can't keep up. Is OP the "Embiid guy" or is this a serious thread? Either way, no he's not proven to be as good or as dependable as Joker, but he is still super good and there's nothing wrong with that.

Sgt Major · Post #32 » by **Sgt Major** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:43 am

Dupp · Post #33 » by **Dupp** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:45 am

Jokic is slightly better imo.

If you factor availability and minutes / games played it’s Jokic by far.

Dupp · Post #34 » by **Dupp** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:47 am

eyeatoma wrote:
JimmyPlopper wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:

Lol none of the bigs, including Jokic can do this.

Read on Twitter

That's a fun statistic. Good for him, although it doesn't relate to my post which you quoted.
It does in that Jokic is not on the same level as a scorer or defender no matter what defensive advanced stats say.

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Lol. Jokic last scoring compared to Embiids in the playoffs please

thamadkant · Post #35 » by **thamadkant** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:48 am

Jokic is the best BIG man in the game... and technically Giannis is also better (6'11). Embiid is a Star (and then some) player no doubt though.

DonaldSanders · Post #36 » by **DonaldSanders** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:58 am

Great job beating up on a weak team, but it doesn't put Embiid in Jokic's league unless the point per minute stat in a regular season game is the new standard. In that case Klay Thompson got robbed of 2 MVPs!

Embiid shrunk at the end of games last playoffs and blamed it all on Ben Simmons -- I haven't forgotten.

eyeatoma wrote:It does in that Jokic is not on the same level as a scorer or defender no matter what defensive advanced stats say.

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The definition of homerism.

eyeatoma · Post #37 » by **eyeatoma** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:59 am

Dupp wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
JimmyPlopper wrote:
That's a fun statistic. Good for him, although it doesn't relate to my post which you quoted.
It does in that Jokic is not on the same level as a scorer or defender no matter what defensive advanced stats say.

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Lol. Jokic last scoring compared to Embiids in the playoffs please

Nope

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/most-points-per-minute-in-nba-history-by-a-player-minimum-250-games

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eyeatoma · Post #38 » by **eyeatoma** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:59 am

DonaldSanders wrote:Great job beating up on a weak team, but it doesn't put Embiid in Jokic's league unless the point per minute stat in a regular season game is the new standard. In that case Klay Thompson got robbed of 2 MVPs!

Embiid shrunk at the end of games last playoffs and blamed it all on Ben Simmons -- I haven't forgotten.

eyeatoma wrote:It does in that Jokic is not on the same level as a scorer or defender no matter what defensive advanced stats say.

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The definition of homerism.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/most-points-per-minute-in-nba-history-by-a-player-minimum-250-games

Point per minute too.

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Dupp · Post #39 » by **Dupp** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:07 am

eyeatoma wrote:
Dupp wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:It does in that Jokic is not on the same level as a scorer or defender no matter what defensive advanced stats say.

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Lol. Jokic last scoring compared to Embiids in the playoffs please
Nope

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/most-points-per-minute-in-nba-history-by-a-player-minimum-250-games

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Completely irrelevant to what I said.

Per minute is cute considering how many minutes Joel misses.

eyeatoma · Post #40 » by **eyeatoma** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:09 am

Dupp wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
Dupp wrote:

Lol. Jokic last scoring compared to Embiids in the playoffs please
Nope

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/most-points-per-minute-in-nba-history-by-a-player-minimum-250-games

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Completely irrelevant to what I said.

Per minute is cute considering how many minutes Joel misses.

I love how you guys really prop up advanced stats until they don't favor Jokic.

Joel Embiid is the best Big Man in the game