Brooklyn got bamboozled by James Harden

[Hello Brooklyn]

I can't believe that Nets fans are discounting the pick swaps and don't think it's a big deal. I mean, a pick swap trade literally set your franchise back so far that you're not just now starting to climb out of it more than a half decade later. I don't think it's outlandish to assume that the Rockets could be better than the Nets for at least a couple of those picks. All for what amounts to Ben Simmons?

We have Kevin Durant now instead of Deron Williams. Pretty big difference.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Posters here are really acting like Jarrett Allen is the next Shaquille O'Neal.

Hes a nice young player. Who only made the all star after two people got injured.

The Cavs likely overachieved this season and won't make the 2nd round. Next season they won't be in serious contention. And will eventually beg LeBron to come back like they always do.

James Harden is 1000x better than Allen will ever be. Were talking about one of the greatest scorers in NBA history. You have to make that trade 10/10. Its worth the risk.

And Levert is not even a positive asset. Hes constantly injured, inefficient, and a bad defender. Not even worth his contract.

Injuries derailed last season. And this season he quit.

But Nets would never have gotten Simmons otherwise.

You think we get Simmons for Allen, Levert and picks? It would have never happened.

Simmons is probably the best defensive player in the NBA. Which was the Nets biggest weakness for the last 2 years.

Remember that with Allen the Nets were still bad defensively.

[knicksNOTslick]

He clearly quit on Nets

Hmm, I recall someone else quitting on the Nets. I wonder who that could be? Might that have been an issue.

Lol, James Harden has had a valid reason to be sick of the **** his team is pulling for two straight years. Let's not act like both the Rockets and Nets last year and this year were perfectly run organizations.

You can't have a part time player on your team and expect a star desperate for a ring like Harden to just be cool with it. He shouldn't have been the only one on the Nets team to have a problem with that. The Sixers were united in their dislike for Ben Simmons for refusing to play. One organization is ok with players taking time off just because while another one at least tried to hold the player accountable.

[DCasey91]

7 first round picks is just BS.

You can't count the pick swaps unless they convey. We don't know if they will. The first one already did not.

One first round pick went for a year of Harden where he played like an MVP.

The next two are cancelled out by the Sixers picks.

So its essentially:

Levert
Allen
3 pick swaps

FOR

Simmons
Curry
Drummond

On what planet is that not worth it?

Curry is just better than Levert. Simmons is far better than Allen even with his limitations.

And with a younger Simmons it might be less likely that those swaps convey.

Is the value close to what it was originally? No.

But still a good trade overall.

Ben Simmons is not better than Allen. It’s like posters have never watched him play. Nets fans are in for a rude awakening (if he even plays at all, from my area truth is he’s done with basketball dude has always been an airhead with little upstairs).

[payton2kemp]

Posters here are really acting like Jarrett Allen is the next Shaquille O'Neal.

Hes a nice young player. Who only made the all star after two people got injured.

The Cavs likely overachieved this season and won't make the 2nd round. Next season they won't be in serious contention. And will eventually beg LeBron to come back like they always do.

James Harden is 1000x better than Allen will ever be. Were talking about one of the greatest scorers in NBA history. You have to make that trade 10/10. Its worth the risk.

And Levert is not even a positive asset. Hes constantly injured, inefficient, and a bad defender. Not even worth his contract.

Injuries derailed last season. And this season he quit.

But Nets would never have gotten Simmons otherwise.

You think we get Simmons for Allen, Levert and picks? It would have never happened.

Simmons is probably the best defensive player in the NBA. Which was the Nets biggest weakness for the last 2 years.

Remember that with Allen the Nets were still bad defensively.

I mean its a win win trade for everyone invovled. Harden didn't want to be in Brooklyn, Simmons not in Philly and Cavs got Allen for cheap. I say all three teams won.

[Hello Brooklyn]

7 first round picks is just BS.

You can't count the pick swaps unless they convey. We don't know if they will. The first one already did not.

One first round pick went for a year of Harden where he played like an MVP.

The next two are cancelled out by the Sixers picks.

So its essentially:

Levert
Allen
3 pick swaps

FOR

Simmons
Curry
Drummond

On what planet is that not worth it?

Curry is just better than Levert. Simmons is far better than Allen even with his limitations.

And with a younger Simmons it might be less likely that those swaps convey.

Is the value close to what it was originally? No.

But still a good trade overall.

Ben Simmons is not better than Allen. It’s like posters have never watched him play. Nets fans are in for a rude awakening (if he even plays at all, from my area truth is he’s done with basketball dude has always been an airhead with little upstairs).

Ok

I'm no big Simmons fan but hes a 3 time All Star, All NBA, 2 time all defense and nearly won DPOY last year.

Him and Embiid were a horrible fit. I think hes still a top 20 player in this league. Far better than Allen.

[BigGargamel]

Posters here are really acting like Jarrett Allen is the next Shaquille O'Neal.

Hes a nice young player. Who only made the all star after two people got injured.

The Cavs likely overachieved this season and won't make the 2nd round. Next season they won't be in serious contention. And will eventually beg LeBron to come back like they always do.

James Harden is 1000x better than Allen will ever be. Were talking about one of the greatest scorers in NBA history. You have to make that trade 10/10. Its worth the risk.

And Levert is not even a positive asset. Hes constantly injured, inefficient, and a bad defender. Not even worth his contract.

Injuries derailed last season. And this season he quit.

But Nets would never have gotten Simmons otherwise.

You think we get Simmons for Allen, Levert and picks? It would have never happened.

Simmons is probably the best defensive player in the NBA. Which was the Nets biggest weakness for the last 2 years.

Remember that with Allen the Nets were still bad defensively.

I mean its a win win trade for everyone invovled. Harden didn't want to be in Brooklyn, Simmons not in Philly and Cavs got Allen for cheap. I say all three teams won.

I wouldn't way the Nets won but the Rockets really didn't win. They could have had Allen and all the picks.

[Marvin Martian]

Kidding aside, I was flabbergasted by all of the "experts" saying the Nets won this trade. Huh? You obviously have to take in account what they gave up 12 months ago to get Harden. They literally gave up an All Star in Jarrett Allen.

The only thing I actually liked from the Nets perspective was getting Seth Curry in the deal. He's a really good piece.

They could have had a lineup of

C - Allen
PF - Durant
SF - Harris
SG - LeVert
PG - Irving

These GM's need to stop gutting their teams for big names. It's just not working out. Bubble Lakers is an outlier but now we're seeing how bad of an idea that's turned out to be.

The Nets were in win now mode, their backup PG was out of the season, Levert was struggling, Allen was on a contract year, and Kyrie was still an injury prone lunatic.

They had to do the Harden deal.

[LloydFree]

7 first round picks is just BS.

You can't count the pick swaps unless they convey. We don't know if they will. The first one already did not.

One first round pick went for a year of Harden where he played like an MVP.

The next two are cancelled out by the Sixers picks.

So its essentially:

Levert
Allen
3 pick swaps

FOR

Simmons
Curry
Drummond

On what planet is that not worth it?

Curry is just better than Levert. Simmons is far better than Allen even with his limitations.

And with a younger Simmons it might be less likely that those swaps convey.

Is the value close to what it was originally? No.

But still a good trade overall.

Nah... You were on point until the Curry part. In no way shape or form is Seth Curry better than Levert. He's an OK floor spacer who will hit every wide open 3 you give him, if you choose not to pay any attention to him. Can't get a 3 off to save his life against any kind of contest.

[drchaos]

7 first round picks is just BS.

You can't count the pick swaps unless they convey. We don't know if they will. The first one already did not.

One first round pick went for a year of Harden where he played like an MVP.

The next two are cancelled out by the Sixers picks.

So its essentially:

Levert
Allen
3 pick swaps

FOR

Simmons
Curry
Drummond

On what planet is that not worth it?

Curry is just better than Levert. Simmons is far better than Allen even with his limitations.

And with a younger Simmons it might be less likely that those swaps convey.

Is the value close to what it was originally? No.

But still a good trade overall.

Nah... You were on point until the Curry part. In no way shape or form is Seth Curry better than Levert. He's an OK floor spacer who will hit every wide open 3 you give him, if you choose not to pay any attention to him. Can't get a 3 off to save his life against any kind of contest.

The trade saved LeVert's life.

If he didn't get traded the doctors wouldn't have found the problem.

[Hello Brooklyn]

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[Pablo Escobar]

Harden didn't like Kyrie and his antics. And most likely was pissed at Kd for supporting Kyrie and his nonsense. No excuse to quit on your team and sabotage though.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Posters here are really acting like Jarrett Allen is the next Shaquille O'Neal.

Hes a nice young player. Who only made the all star after two people got injured.

The Cavs likely overachieved this season and won't make the 2nd round. Next season they won't be in serious contention. And will eventually beg LeBron to come back like they always do.

James Harden is 1000x better than Allen will ever be. Were talking about one of the greatest scorers in NBA history. You have to make that trade 10/10. Its worth the risk.

And Levert is not even a positive asset. Hes constantly injured, inefficient, and a bad defender. Not even worth his contract.

Injuries derailed last season. And this season he quit.

But Nets would never have gotten Simmons otherwise.

You think we get Simmons for Allen, Levert and picks? It would have never happened.

Simmons is probably the best defensive player in the NBA. Which was the Nets biggest weakness for the last 2 years.

Remember that with Allen the Nets were still bad defensively.

I mean its a win win trade for everyone invovled. Harden didn't want to be in Brooklyn, Simmons not in Philly and Cavs got Allen for cheap. I say all three teams won.

Agreed.

Rockets did not win. Should have kept Allen.

But Sixers/Cavs won much more than the Nets did in the final trade. In my view.

[Hello Brooklyn]

7 first round picks is just BS.

You can't count the pick swaps unless they convey. We don't know if they will. The first one already did not.

One first round pick went for a year of Harden where he played like an MVP.

The next two are cancelled out by the Sixers picks.

So its essentially:

Levert
Allen
3 pick swaps

FOR

Simmons
Curry
Drummond

On what planet is that not worth it?

Curry is just better than Levert. Simmons is far better than Allen even with his limitations.

And with a younger Simmons it might be less likely that those swaps convey.

Is the value close to what it was originally? No.

But still a good trade overall.

Nah... You were on point until the Curry part. In no way shape or form is Seth Curry better than Levert. He's an OK floor spacer who will hit every wide open 3 you give him, if you choose not to pay any attention to him. Can't get a 3 off to save his life against any kind of contest.

Ok floor spacer?

Hes one of the best shooters in the NBA. I'm pretty sure people contest him lol.

And what does Levert do exactly?

Hes made of glass. Injured every 20 games. And is an inefficient chucker.

All he does it put up points on bad teams.

Off too a pretty bad start with the Cavs as well. Sub 40 from the field and sub 30 from 3.

I used to love Levert. But hes proven me wrong.

[celticfan42487]

Harden looked as good for the Nets as he does for the 76ers before Irving came back.

Sometimes when you have a blackhole it hurts a player, especially when one of them is one of the best PG and playmakers in the NBA and MVP level.

He's just got a better fit around him right now with floor spacers, a guy who doesn't want the ball really in Thybull, and Embiid who just wants the ball to run into someone and somehow get a foul out of it.

None of them are pounding the air out of the ball iceing out their entire team and all of them are 100% fun with letting Harden do the hard work and create open shots for them which he's more than happy to do being extremely unselfish in his advanced age it seems.

[LloydFree]

Kidding aside, I was flabbergasted by all of the "experts" saying the Nets won this trade. Huh? You obviously have to take in account what they gave up 12 months ago to get Harden. They literally gave up an All Star in Jarrett Allen.

The only thing I actually liked from the Nets perspective was getting Seth Curry in the deal. He's a really good piece.

They could have had a lineup of

C - Allen
PF - Durant
SF - Harris
SG - LeVert
PG - Irving

These GM's need to stop gutting their teams for big names. It's just not working out. Bubble Lakers is an outlier but now we're seeing how bad of an idea that's turned out to be.

Simmons hasn't played yet. We need to see how he plays and how the Nets look with everyone healthy before we can gauge anything substantial. It entirely possible that Simmons + Curry synergises better with Kyrie and KD than Harden offensively.

What?

[gottamakeit]

Kidding aside, I was flabbergasted by all of the "experts" saying the Nets won this trade. Huh? You obviously have to take in account what they gave up 12 months ago to get Harden. They literally gave up an All Star in Jarrett Allen.

The only thing I actually liked from the Nets perspective was getting Seth Curry in the deal. He's a really good piece.

They could have had a lineup of

C - Allen
PF - Durant
SF - Harris
SG - LeVert
PG - Irving

These GM's need to stop gutting their teams for big names. It's just not working out. Bubble Lakers is an outlier but now we're seeing how bad of an idea that's turned out to be.

Sunk cost is a bi***
Smart people don't allow it to sway their decision making

[bubonicphoniks]

Time wil tell but getting out from under that next Harden contract is huge. Lets talk in 5 years.

[Marvin Martian]

Also I would probably say that the Nets lost. They may very play PHI in the playoffs and the match-up is worse now than before the trade

[FreeThrowLine]

Maybe, but what if Simmons comes out and nails 15 threes in his Nets debut