2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 6) - with ROY poll

[ropjhk]

I don't think regular season record will play much of a factor. The Raptors and Cavs will probably end up only a few games apart by the end of the season.

Unless Mobley hits the wall and has a drop in play or unless Barnes picks up his play for the rest of the season I think Mobley wins the award. I don't think Cade or any other contender will do enough to beat the top two candidates.

[dirkules_41]

I just find it exciting to have this many great rookies for a change.

[Myth]

Aren't the votes in b4 the play in???

The votes happen at the end of the regular season so I'm not sure if that's before or after the play-in since the play-in technically isn't considered playoffs either.

Regardless, if the Cavs stumble remaining of the way to a 9th seed or so, my point would stand. Especially if the Raptors end up as the higher seed.

I’m pretty sure in the previous seasons votes were in before the play-in.

[JujitsuFlip]

It's a pretty tight race for the top 3 or 4 guys. With that said, I don't think 1 month of basketball should or will invalidate the prior 5 months of basketball. So, barring anything catastrophic, Mobley should end up the ROY, given the 5pt, 3pt, 1pt format.

[Hoop Heavy]

Then why is he such a favourite to win ROY when some others have identical stats as him? The whole narrative about Mobley has been how his defensive impact has led to the Cavs success.

If the Cavs have a losing record, everything surrounding Mobley changes where people would be complaining that he's not assertive enough offensively to help the Cavs.

No one cares about what Cleveland's record is when discussing Mobley's defense. We only base it on what we see from him on the floor, and on the floor he is in fact playing excellent defense. But that was never the main reason for Cleveland's success this season. It's been a contributing factor, sure, but not the main reason. Garland and Allen are. Most people who rave that Mobley is the ROY favorite know this.

Understood as that's where things stand right now. My point was that the narrative could change if the Cavs continue to stumble and Mobley is not impactful enough offensively to help the Cavs through it.

I'm looking at Barnes who has near identical stats as him and could play a greater role to help his team finish strong. This narrative is a stronger possibility than the current 11/1 odds suggest. That's all my point really was.

Mobley is great and that's that. There is no reason to throw shade on Mobley.


Still, even though this is a "hot take" ... I've got a hunch. So, I'm calling it.

I don't know what they'll call it in years to come ... but I know exactly when it started happening ....

... when you lose the opening tip to a taller player ... and then respond by dashing into the back court, surprising the guy who has retrieved the tip, strip him, recover the ball, go up immediately, get fouled and be the first to score ... all in less than 5 seconds.

This is the first sighting of "PLAYOFF SCOTTIE". My take is Nick is turning him lose with Fred and OG out - asking him to play second option if Pascal and Gary aren't on the floor. The new norm is double double, look-away passes, last second blocks, endless deflections, stifling coverage, crunch time rebounds and putbacks.

If I'm right ... and "Playoff Scottie" is taking over as a rook ... all bets are off. I wouldn't be surprised ... especially in the situation the OP describes ... that Scottie isn't just going to walk away from any competition for ROY after maintaining this level of play ... and propelling the Raps to a homecourt advantage.

[MoneyTalks41890]

I just find it exciting to have this many great rookies for a change.

I mean it’s wild we’re not even talking about Jalen Green, who is an athletic marvel and I think will grow into being a really good player. This is a really good draft.

[JonFromVA]

Cleveland's record isn't why Mobley is the huge favorite to win ROY...

His impact on the defense (and thus wins) was definitely the reason he was the favourite. His stats aren't much better than Barnes or Cade. If Cleveland's defense continues to go south, Mobley should get some of the blame (just like he got the credit)

Are you implying offense doesn't contribute to wins? Or that we can only evaluate defensive impact by wins?

He may certainly deserve some of the blame if the Cavs play continues to fall off, but that will be another question not a conclusion.

[Jadoogar]

Cleveland's record isn't why Mobley is the huge favorite to win ROY...

His impact on the defense (and thus wins) was definitely the reason he was the favourite. His stats aren't much better than Barnes or Cade. If Cleveland's defense continues to go south, Mobley should get some of the blame (just like he got the credit)

Are you implying offense doesn't contribute to wins? Or that we can only evaluate defensive impact by wins?

He may certainly deserve some of the blame if the Cavs play continues to fall off, but that will be another question not a conclusion.

his offensive numbers are the same as Barnes and slightly better than Cade so his edge in the rookie of the year race was because of his defense.

[Floody100]

So the reasoning behind this thread was for the OP to basically argue with everyone on here why his teams rookie should be ahead of the clear favourite ROY

Oh & shock horror, he’s a Raptors fan ....

[JonFromVA]

No one cares about what Cleveland's record is when discussing Mobley's defense. We only base it on what we see from him on the floor, and on the floor he is in fact playing excellent defense. But that was never the main reason for Cleveland's success this season. It's been a contributing factor, sure, but not the main reason. Garland and Allen are. Most people who rave that Mobley is the ROY favorite know this.

Understood as that's where things stand right now. My point was that the narrative could change if the Cavs continue to stumble and Mobley is not impactful enough offensively to help the Cavs through it.

I'm looking at Barnes who has near identical stats as him and could play a greater role to help his team finish strong. This narrative is a stronger possibility than the current 11/1 odds suggest. That's all my point really was.

Mobley is great and that's that. There is no reason to throw shade on Mobley.


Still, even though this is a "hot take" ... I've got a hunch. So, I'm calling it.

I don't know what they'll call it in years to come ... but I know exactly when it started happening ....

... when you lose the opening tip to a taller player ... and then respond by dashing into the back court, surprising the guy who has retrieved the tip, strip him, recover the ball, go up immediately, get fouled and be the first to score ... all in less than 5 seconds.

This is the first sighting of "PLAYOFF SCOTTIE". My take is Nick is turning him lose with Fred and OG out - asking him to play second option if Pascal and Gary aren't on the floor. The new norm is double double, look-away passes, last second blocks, endless deflections, stifling coverage, crunch time rebounds and putbacks.

If I'm right ... and "Playoff Scottie" is taking over as a rook ... all bets are off. I wouldn't be surprised ... especially in the situation the OP describes ... that Scottie isn't just going to walk away from any competition for ROY after maintaining this level of play ... and propelling the Raps to a homecourt advantage.

Heh, I once saw rookie LeBron win a game for the Cavs by grabbing the other team's inbound pass out of the air and scored. At that point I thought to myself it was over for the rest of the league if the kid could do that.

Alas, I'm not sure I ever saw him do it again.

Inconsistency is most rookie's most consistent trait ...

[dkb965]

I am bias of coarse being a Raptors fan, but in saying that Barnes could potentially steal the award from Mobley. It would take him keeping up his post All-Star play and for Mobley to struggle down the stretch. Barnes has hit multiple difficult shots in crunch time that has lead to victories for the Raptors. I am not sure how valid that is in the ROY race, but he appears to have a clutch gene at 20 that Siakam does not posses, which is exciting to see. He also just put up like 24/9/2 with 4 steals on 10-10 FG/1-1 3PT/ 3-4 FT in the first half the other day. He has a great chance to be the best player in this draft class when it is all said and done.

[Hoop Heavy]

Understood as that's where things stand right now. My point was that the narrative could change if the Cavs continue to stumble and Mobley is not impactful enough offensively to help the Cavs through it.

I'm looking at Barnes who has near identical stats as him and could play a greater role to help his team finish strong. This narrative is a stronger possibility than the current 11/1 odds suggest. That's all my point really was.

Mobley is great and that's that. There is no reason to throw shade on Mobley.


Still, even though this is a "hot take" ... I've got a hunch. So, I'm calling it.

I don't know what they'll call it in years to come ... but I know exactly when it started happening ....

... when you lose the opening tip to a taller player ... and then respond by dashing into the back court, surprising the guy who has retrieved the tip, strip him, recover the ball, go up immediately, get fouled and be the first to score ... all in less than 5 seconds.

This is the first sighting of "PLAYOFF SCOTTIE". My take is Nick is turning him lose with Fred and OG out - asking him to play second option if Pascal and Gary aren't on the floor. The new norm is double double, look-away passes, last second blocks, endless deflections, stifling coverage, crunch time rebounds and putbacks.

If I'm right ... and "Playoff Scottie" is taking over as a rook ... all bets are off. I wouldn't be surprised ... especially in the situation the OP describes ... that Scottie isn't just going to walk away from any competition for ROY after maintaining this level of play ... and propelling the Raps to a homecourt advantage.

Heh, I once saw rookie LeBron win a game for the Cavs by grabbing the other team's inbound pass out of the air and scored. At that point I thought to myself it was over for the rest of the league if the kid could do that.

Alas, I'm not sure I ever saw him do it again.

Inconsistency is most rookie's most consistent trait ...

Yes, of course ... Scottie is just shedding the "training wheels" ... he may still need to develop for several years before he's entirely reliable.


... and LeBron's rookie exploits are the thing that reminds you most about this guy. Sort of my point.

[basketballRob]

I think Franz still has a chance. Giddey also puts up some eye popping stats also. Barnes and Mobley are both PF's who play closer to the basket and put up some good rebounding numbers along with points.

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[JackTalkThai]

Cade Cunningham since the All Star Break:

20.3 PPG
6.8 RPG
5.0 APG
45% FG

[KembaWalker]

All you have to do is look at the race last year, once people clamp down on a name mid season they can play like absolute garbage and it doesn't matter. Or in LaMelos case, not even play at all. These lazy sportswriters aren't gonna change their mind, they probably wrote their Mobley ROY article 2 months ago and have it set to auto publish while they're in Maui

[bisme37]

We're down to the home stretch so I thought it was a good time to post the 6th and final Rookie thread.

Instead of picking your 3 faves, let's see who we think is standing atop and will win Rookie of the Year. I do apologize if your guy was left out of the poll. There can only be 10 options and there are more good rooks than that.

Anyway, as with the previous threads, let's keep our discussion polite and reasonable please. Enjoy!

(continued from part 5 here: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2158341&p=97328946#p97328946 )

[JujitsuFlip]

I believe with the way voting is setup, there's no way that the ROY isn't Mobley. He will more than likely recieve more 1st place votes than any other rookie and if not he probably doesn't fall below getting 2nd place votes while still getting a fair share of the 1st place votes.

[MotownMadness]

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