Post-Mortem: 2021-22 New York Knicks

[byp870720]

Last season was like that Melo season where they outperformed expectations. History says they'll be bottom feeding for another 5 years or so until another melo or randle comes along.

[Hoop Hunter]

Knicks over achieved last season. They got worse personnel wise this season. Rose injuries. The East got better. Not the coach IMO.

[djsunyc]

outside of a little infusion by the derrick rose trade, the knicks have been a bad team the last 2 seasons under thibs.

[Sothron]

The Knicks vastly overachieved last season. I don't see the point in firing the coach or World Wide Wes/Leon Rose in the FO. They need a true PG to run the team and to bring Mitchell Robinson back. Try to find whatever switch you need to get Randle to engage better in games with effort.

[Van_Trump]

Knicks gonna Knicks.

But seriously, no marquee free agent is coming here.
Is that the GM's fault? The coach's fault? The owner's fault? The players' fault? The fans' fault?

So they always end up overpaying 2nd tier free agents. At least Toronto doesn't have that problem. We overpay role players.

I say keep their young players and trade everyone else. This means the current coach must go.

If they want to absorb Wall or Westbrook for draft capital, go for it

That's the key. Picks. Call it the big apple process.

There is no point trying to consolidate talent for a championship run when your only assets are mediocre.

[Clav]

Fornier's contract and his on-court value is an imminent problem, and we all knew that from when he was signed, so that should be a priority right now. For that matter, if Randle is suggesting a trade, then they need to clean-house because NYK has their FRP NEXT year and could be a great draft year, they will have potentially 3 FRPs (own + DAL + CHA).... That means another year in the basement, so I don't know, they're right on the edge. Are they willing to go for it to make a splash next year or slough off for the prospect of a generational player ?

[tripa]

Rising, falling, or treadmill?

TBD

Only a Knick fan would say something like this after being put through torture year after year. It's clearly a treadmill team with zero chance at ever winning a playoff series, but you'll continue to watch and New York will continue to fill the garden with fans, so ownership will continue to rake in the money.

[AleksandarN]

Came across this on twitter today this can't be true can it? lmao

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[Marmoset]

Quite a few posts above say the Knicks overachieved last season. Maybe they did, but they also decided to destroy the best aspects of the team in the off-season instead of building on what was working.

Last season the Knicks played a tough, gritty, defensive style of basketball which fit exactly how their coach wants to play. Everyone seemed to be fitting into their role. Then, their two biggest off-season acquisitions were Walker and Fournier, which couldn't have fit much worse with what they were building. Add in whatever happened to Randle (some regression was to be expected, but he has gone way beyond that), and you have what you see now.

Going forward, there are a whole bunch of different ways things can go. One thing for sure is they definitely need to do something about the PG spot if they want to field a competitive team. If they were truly expecting Derrick Rose to be the answer they were crazy. He is 33 and his highest total of games played in the past five seasons is 51.

[The Laker Kid]

They should build around Randle. Surround him with Melo, David Lee, JR Smith and Gallo.

[Wolfgang630]

This organization needs to start thinking like a small market team. Fans will always be there, but just completely unload like OKC and stockpile picks.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Came across this on twitter today this can't be true can it? lmao

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Yeah, seems like minutes per game are similar, and burks played one more game, jokic was injured or sat out one. Burks had a lot of 30-35 minute games, Thibs apparently likes him, and he rides his guys.

[TroubleS0me]

Quite a few posts above say the Knicks overachieved last season. Maybe they did, but they also decided to destroy the best aspects of the team in the off-season instead of building on what was working.

Last season the Knicks played a tough, gritty, defensive style of basketball which fit exactly how their coach wants to play. Everyone seemed to be fitting into their role. Then, their two biggest off-season acquisitions were Walker and Fournier, which couldn't have fit much worse with what they were building. Add in whatever happened to Randle (some regression was to be expected, but he has gone way beyond that), and you have what you see now.

Going forward, there are a whole bunch of different ways things can go. One thing for sure is they definitely need to do something about the PG spot if they want to field a competitive team. If they were truly expecting Derrick Rose to be the answer they were crazy. He is 33 and his highest total of games played in the past five seasons is 51.

They need shooting & a backup pg. Problem is that Kemba is short & Fournier can shoot not play defense. Would have been better for them to get a 3-D player.

D-Rose is the Knicks best player but like you said he's 33 with injuries. Randle is just not that guy for the Knicks, he's a 3rd option, really overachieved last season.

[blueNorange]

it's gonna be hard to keep robinson when a bunch of teams are gonna love having his services, he's an elite offensive rebounder.

[Bobbymcgee]

Run it back and hope the younger players keep getting better so they can save their team from another terrible season next year.

[Green Backpack]

A tough swing for the Knicks after going 41-31 last year. It seemed like Randle was on top of the world last year, and this year, from the outside.. it didn't look good. I would try to trade Randle and let RJ carry the team next season to really evaluate what he has in him.

[Madhouse]

Clean house and cap space. Keep Mitch, RJ and IQ. Tank, add an elite 23 talent and from then on you have a real future.

[slick_watts]

the julius randle extension was a stupid and unecessary risk. everything the knicks have done for the last 20 years just reeks of desperation and impatience. it's emblematic of the entire organization, which is too bad, because knicks fans are the best in the world for continuing to support this team.

they are going to lose mitchell robinson, their young players aren't all that great, FA don't want to go there, and they most likely won't have high lotto picks. i give the thibs era one more season.

[DaGawd]

Clean house and cap space. Keep Mitch, RJ and IQ. Tank, add an elite 23 talent and from then on you have a real future.

Unfortunately this won’t happen.. or isn’t very likely to. The draft really doesn’t matter to this franchise.. even tho it should. Like someone else said the Knicks need to start operating with the same mindset of a small market team until the foundation of a consistent winner with high upside is built. This may never happen as long as Dolan is owner tho.. which doesn’t make sense considering they sell out even when they’re awful

[knicksNOTslick]

Did anyone expect them to be anything but a treadmill team? Last year they massively overachieved and they only won one playoff game. They have the wrong strategy in trying to win games, but it could be that Dolan is telling management to make the playoffs. They should trade Randle, never should have signed Fournier, Burks, and Noel, but with the exception of Randle everyone has a short contract. And management has made some competent moves, while Thibs was COY just last year. Talk of firing anyone after less than two seasons is ridiculous.

Nobody is saying that Thibs is a bad coach. He just isn't the right coach for a team that should be rebuilding. It just doesn't fit. What good does it do for the Knicks when he plays the vets signed on short term contracts way more minutes than the young players? If it weren't for injuries, a lot of the young guys would be buried on the bench and their value would drop.

Thibs just isn't the guy to develop kids. Burks as our starting PG playing a ridiculous amount of minutes, that's inexcusable. Let Quickley and McBride play more minutes. The same for Obi Toppin. Randle is given way too many minutes and he takes plays off in games especially on defense. He keeps talking about earning the minutes first but he doesn't really mean that.

Thibs is not the guy for this team. The Knicks need to develop youth, whether they do or don't, that's ok but they should play. Overplaying the vets does nothing for the Knicks present or future. With Thibs here next year, we'll see more of the same. I don't have faith in the front office either, not til Dolan is gone.