Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Portland Trailblazers

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4 Questions

Poll ended at Mon Apr 4, 2022 2:59 pm

Q1: Keep the GM
15
11%
Q1: Fire the GM
18
13%
Q2: Keep the coach
22
16%
Q2: Fire the coach
10
7%
Q3: Performed better than expected
0
No votes
Q3: Performed as expected
4
3%
Q3: Performed worse than expected
32
23%
Q4: Rising Team
8
6%
Q4: Treadmill Team
6
4%
Q4: Waning Team
22
16%
 
Total votes: 137

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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Portland Trailblazers 

Post#21 » by BigGargamel » Mon Apr 4, 2022 4:52 am

NWGunner wrote:(sarcasm font) Hard enough to get any quality vet free agents to come to Portland, so why we don't reward the 10 yr franchise player that has asserted and reasserted his loyalty to the team and his wish to stay, over and over ad nauseam by trading him. Players will be begging their teams to send them to Portland. I can see Giannis, Embiid and Durant all forcing trades to land here.(sarcasm font end) If Lillard asks for a trade, then trade him, if not, don't for the time being anyway. It's that simple.


Lose lose situation for Lillard. Fans always complain when teams demand trades, especially from tough situations. Not being loyal and sticking it out. But when a guy does like Lillard, who has NEVER publicly demanded a trade, fans get on for him for not "wanting to win" and the front office for not trading him.

The Norm Powell trade was a tough pill to swallow, but it was a salary dump. Other than Lillard, they have next to nothing on the books. Re-up Simmons, see who you can draft with your two lottery picks, then be smart in free agency. See what you have with a healthy Lillard and Billups. Then choose what to do next off-season.

Who are you really trading Lillard for at this point anyway? His value will never be any lower. Portland with Lillard > Portland without Lillard.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Portland Trailblazers 

Post#22 » by Statlanta » Mon Apr 4, 2022 11:58 am

Keep GM
keep coach
Falling
Worse
Find non injury prone players to help Lillard or Simons(if you trade Lillard)
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Portland Trailblazers 

Post#23 » by Dzon Dilindzer » Mon Apr 4, 2022 1:34 pm

this season has been a blessing in disguise for the trail blazers, literally the best thing that could have happen to this franchise, we got rid of neil olshey, cj mccollum & powell and terry stotts bit earlier, all of whom were a problems

ever since he was hired, chauncey billups has been saying all the right things, but that was only theory, its whole other thing to implement what he was saying and he tried to do it, but it was impossible with cj mccollum & powell, who are ball hogs and even dame is a shooting first point guard, then you have simons who was looking to get his, so it was a recipe for a disaster

dame lillard surgery helped him a lot, cause he sorted out the abdominal issue thats been bothering him for years and i fully expect him to be back to his best next season, but also cj mccollum injury and powell being out for some time, really helped chauncey billups, simons, little & nurk, cause all of them got bigger roles in which they excelled and it allowed chauncey to implement his system and even though team was losing games (due to lack of talent), they still played the right way on both ends of the floor, giving their best effort and everyone got touches and they were happy and i think it also showed to the front office that cj mccollum & powell must get traded, which is exactly what happened

simons has been playing like someone who will be an all-star in the future and his improvement in playmaking has been astonishing, given hes actually a shooting guard being converted into poing guard, then you have nurk who started playing like pre leg injury nurk or even better and then you have little who unfortunately got hurt, but he showed enough to the front office and chauncey, to be sure that hes starter on this team going forward and pieces we got back in the trades, hart & winslow, also fit in really good

simons & nurk will get re-signed, that much is clear and they probably have their contracts agreed already, given they got shut down in their contract seasons and the rumour has it that trail blazers will pursue jerami grant, which they already did, but failed, but if we get that pelicans pick, it changes things

what i saw from chauncey, simons, nurk, little, hart & winslow, really got me excited and if dame can adjust his game to the system, which will alow him to be a difference maker, rather than having to carry the team, it would do the wonders for himself and for the team and then like i said, we need to sort out the forward position

i commend joe cronin for having the courage to make big moves, unlike neil olshey and even though the consensus is that he **** up the trade with the clippers, he still did a nice job so far or at least thats what i think, but i wont have my opinion on him until hes done with the moves, until we get the whole picture

simons, nurk & little are great fit with each other (so are hart & winslow, but i assume they wont start next season), dame & nurk are great fit too, so it remains to be seen how dame does with simons & little

trail blazers could be a really, really good team next season, but that will depend on two things:

- whether dame lillard can buy into chauncey billups system
- what will the trail blazers do with the forward position

lets see where our own pick ends up and if we get that pelicans pick, theres work to be done, but im optimistic
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Portland Trailblazers 

Post#24 » by ropjhk » Mon Apr 4, 2022 4:21 pm

I'd let Lillard stay as long as he wants to but I'd inform him that the team is going to start building for the future. If he wants to stick around for that then I'd let him, even if it slows down the rebuilding process.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Portland Trailblazers 

Post#25 » by CptCrunch » Mon Apr 4, 2022 5:00 pm

Blazers need a full rebuild. Lillard was never in the same league as the top 5 players in the game even during his prime. Now he is on the wrong side of 31, turning 32 before the next season. A ragtag group of role players around Lillard is not going to go anywhere and struggling for that 8th seed in the most optimistic scenario doesn't seem worth it to me.

They need to hit this year in the lotto and hit big because the best (and largely only) prospect they have on their roster is a 22 (23 soon) year old Anfernee Simons. Simmons' contract is gonna expire at the end of the season, take the QO or get extended. Simmons probably wants a max, and no one will ever feel good offering a max to Simons. Terrible summer ahead for the Blazers.
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Post#26 » by rickbrunson » Mon Apr 4, 2022 7:13 pm

The ultimate treadmill team.
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Post#27 » by Exp0sed » Tue Apr 5, 2022 1:33 am

They've made every possible mistake this season (and in the offseason) and looks like they're gonna double down on that by trying to retool around Lillard which a.) wouldn't work and b.) doesn't make any sense.

I get that years of Dame's loyalty talk and wanting to finish his career there etc. but..it's a business as we all know and ofc they can always trade him amicably to a destination he also is fine with.
I was never a huge fan of lilard, he's clutch and Flashy and seems like a good dude, hell of an offensive player but his defense is rly atrocious and it certainly won't be getting better now than he's aging and with chronic injuries.

If the big plan is to go for one of the Bigs in the coming draft (I mean If they get a top pick) than little sense in keeping Nurkic as well...just ship them both and start a real rebuild. there is no other path foreward for them, Dame isn't THAT good and he's on awrong Timeline anyway. They might even dodge a bullet since it's not out of the realm of possibility that his contract will soon be albatross territory.

P.S I think a 3 way deal based on Dame going to the Lakers, Westbrook to Portland and Davis going to a third team (with most of that treasure trove going to Portland) makes some sense for all sides. Portland gets a real tank commander to accrue more assets via the lottery for a year or two Plus the treasure trove...and whatever Nurkic fetches on the market and they're in a good spot, just like any other rebuilding team waiting to get that Superstar.
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Post#28 » by iBall101 » Tue Apr 5, 2022 3:59 am

Dame will win the scoring title next year if he stays there.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Portland Trailblazers 

Post#29 » by MrBigShot » Tue Apr 5, 2022 4:01 am

Their direction is confusing to me. Getting rid of Powell, CJ, and Covington and giving Simons the keys says rebuild, but they are keeping Dame who is turning 32 this summer. Can they really retool while he is still in his prime?
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Post#30 » by tmorgan » Tue Apr 5, 2022 4:55 am

I don’t agree with the direction for PDX, but if they want to trade a late lottery pick for Jerami, I’m in.
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Post#31 » by monopoman » Tue Apr 5, 2022 8:08 am

MrBigShot wrote:Their direction is confusing to me. Getting rid of Powell, CJ, and Covington and giving Simons the keys says rebuild, but they are keeping Dame who is turning 32 this summer. Can they really retool while he is still in his prime?


Really the only older player we have on the roster at this point is Dame, I think they are considering trading him but if they do they will either wait until he is fully healthy and increases his value. Acting like this roster is half guys under 23 and half guys 30+ is really not accurate.

Nearly any other player approaching 30 on this roster or over are just glue guys, and role players that don't have a huge value either way. I assume that they are valuing the younger guys a lot more, probably why the move to trade for Keon, people are also in some cases massively underrating Nassir Little, while Anfernee is the most impressive player on the roster under age 25, Nassir is also an up and coming player.

Nassir might not hit true all-star status but I could see him being a good starter, or at very least a very solid starter. ****, I have seen teams go into rebuild mode with a lot less young talent on their roster, so really the Blazers are in a reasonably good position for the long term.

I also am not as gun ho about trading Lillard like others, I would love to see him retire a Blazer, and whatever package we would hypothetically get for him just isn't as appealing to me. I value the long term of him being a Blazer for life, and assuming it doesn't hinder the team financially I would appreciate that. Being able to call him a life-long Blazer and maybe build him a statue down the line would be very valuable to me.
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Post#32 » by wjun15 » Tue Apr 5, 2022 9:09 am

If Blazers get a top 3 pick and get Pelicans pick then Cronins trade deadline moves were a success.

If we lose that Pelicans pick and end up with pick 6-7 and fail to get a star to compliment Dame then Cronin is a failure.
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Post#33 » by Effigy » Tue Apr 5, 2022 2:53 pm

rickbrunson wrote:The ultimate treadmill team.




Lol. The number of people who don't know what 'treadmill' means is just astounding.
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Post#34 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue Apr 5, 2022 2:59 pm

MrBigShot wrote:Their direction is confusing to me. Getting rid of Powell, CJ, and Covington and giving Simons the keys says rebuild, but they are keeping Dame who is turning 32 this summer. Can they really retool while he is still in his prime?


Even if Portland wanted to trade Dame, is there really an argument that moving him this season is a good move? He was injured all year and playing his worst ball in years. His value was at an all time low. Moving him would have been nuts.

I think the Blazers are going to cross their fingers that they end up Top-3 and get one of Chet, Jabari, Paolo. If that happens, use the other pick to bring in Grant and hope the team clicks quickly.

If they dont click quickly, move Dame during the 22/23 season after he returns from his surgery and is playing at, hopefully, his 21/22 level. You dont trade a loyal franchise player when he is struggling with injruy, its not just a bad move in terms of return but its a bad move in terms of respect. Dame wasnt ever getting moved at less than 100%.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Portland Trailblazers 

Post#35 » by rickbrunson » Tue Apr 5, 2022 5:22 pm

Effigy wrote:
rickbrunson wrote:The ultimate treadmill team.




Lol. The number of people who don't know what 'treadmill' means is just astounding.


-Too good to get a good draft pick
-Not good enough to be a serious title threat
-Usually one minor star that they keep desperately scrambling minor pieces around
-Can't attract a free agent due to an unattractive location or salary cap hell

Welcome to the treadmill.
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Post#36 » by Norm2953 » Tue Apr 5, 2022 6:38 pm

There is nothing wrong with a rebuild for with good scouts and intelligent management, it can be done
in 3-4 years.

Likely Dame will arrive in training camp and in good shape and Portland if the Pelicans pick conveys, will
have added Jerami Grant to the roster and will have added some depth from last years disaster. Whether
it works is another matter for if Dame is back to his AS level, he'll likely be that most sought after player
at next years trade deadline.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Portland Trailblazers 

Post#37 » by Effigy » Wed Apr 6, 2022 5:27 am

rickbrunson wrote:
Effigy wrote:
rickbrunson wrote:The ultimate treadmill team.




Lol. The number of people who don't know what 'treadmill' means is just astounding.


-Too good to get a good draft pick
-Not good enough to be a serious title threat
-Usually one minor star that they keep desperately scrambling minor pieces around
-Can't attract a free agent due to an unattractive location or salary cap hell

Welcome to the treadmill.


No. Treadmill means ‘running in place’. That’s what a treadmill is. You run but you don’t go anywhere. Nothing changes. Portland definitely didn’t stay stationary this year. New coach. New GM. Traded CJ, Powell and RoCo. Simmons exploded onto the scene. And no playoffs this year for the first time since Dame’s rookie year. These are all big changes. Are they for the better? Maybe, maybe not. But we were on a treadmill before. We weren’t going to win a title with that group so we got off the treadmill and got bad and will try to rebuild with our two lottery picks and cap space.

I really am not trying to be offensive, but yeah, you just don’t understand what the term means. And you’re not alone. People misuse that term al the time.
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Post#38 » by TimeisIllmatic » Wed Apr 6, 2022 7:48 am

Let's see what the GM does during the draft and free agency. That is what will tell us a whole lot about the direction.
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Post#39 » by TimeisIllmatic » Wed Apr 6, 2022 7:52 am

wjun15 wrote:If Blazers get a top 3 pick and get Pelicans pick then Cronins trade deadline moves were a success.

If we lose that Pelicans pick and end up with pick 6-7 and fail to get a star to compliment Dame then Cronin is a failure.


I wouldn't get my hopes up trying to find a star in this draft but instead try to find complimentary pieces in the draft. Trading down wouldn't be a bad idea either for Portland depending on where their pick lands.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Portland Trailblazers 

Post#40 » by HurdyGurdyMan » Wed Apr 6, 2022 8:17 am

Season never really started and the Blazers never tanked so everything good
the times, they are a-changing

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