After further review, I'm starting to shade LA's 2020 title

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Do you (still) think that the Lakers' 2020 title is fully legit?

Yes, totally legit
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No, not legit
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Re: After further review, I'm starting to shade LA's 2020 title 

Post#21 » by michaelm » Wed Apr 6, 2022 7:07 am

HotRocks34 wrote:When the Lakers won the 2020 title, I said (here on RealGM) that the title was completely legit even if the circumstances were different than normal. Everyone faced the same obstacles, etc, etc. I battled doubters and Bubble Title Haters in a few threads.

However, I'm starting to think that under normal circumstances that the Lakers don't win that title. Thus, I'm personally starting to devalue the title slightly (though the title is never going away and LA should proudly claim it).

I say this because of the health/missed game issue for both Bron and Davis. Bron has now played four seasons in LA and in each season except the Bubble one, he's missed 20+ games. Davis has missed 25+ games in each of the last 4 seasons but the Bubble one.

Thus, to me, it seems like if these two did not get the four month interval, they likely break down physically again and miss out on the #1 seed and possibly aren't healthy for the playoffs, as well. Which, as we saw last year, would be the real issue (IMO; as compared with needing the #1 seed for a crowd-less, home-less Bubble playoffs).

Davis, of course, has always had health issues. Bron, sadly, is just wearing down with age. I saw it with Hakeem (my namesake here) and many others. It happens. But attrition is part of the sport, and in 2019-20 that factor was dramatically reduced in a way that may have almost uniquely aided LA.

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I don’t see why it can’t be true both that It is legitimate because every team was in the same circumstance and the Lakers beat everyone they faced in the play-offs, and that LeBron and AD were advantaged by the reduced number of games. Neither LeBron nor AD was responsible for the pandemic.
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Re: After further review, I'm starting to shade LA's 2020 title 

Post#22 » by Pachinko_ » Wed Apr 6, 2022 7:39 am

Maybe it did help them more than other teams, but because it was the same break for everyone you can't claim it was not fair and square. We as fans can rate it higher or lower than other rings if we want, that's our choice, but you can't say it wasn't legit.

What would make it not legit to me is if it's proven that the Lakers were practicing when other teams were not allowed to, I've read some rumours like that but I don't know if it's actually true.
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Re: After further review, I'm starting to shade LA's 2020 title 

Post#23 » by Parataxis » Wed Apr 6, 2022 8:10 am

It's legit.

Did they probably benefit from the time off and the circumstances? Yes, absolutely.

But part of being a winning basketball team is rolling with the punches and taking advantage of the opportunities. In 2020, the Lakers did that better than anybody else, and came away with a trophy.

Yes, if things would have been different, then they wouldn't have been the same. But that's true of every year.
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Post#24 » by GrindCityHustle » Wed Apr 6, 2022 8:22 am

People said heat and suns weren't good long-term and lighting in a bottle teams and both are now number 1 seeds.

Lakers won the title based on the rules given at the time. Every other team had the same rules.
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Re: After further review, I'm starting to shade LA's 2020 title 

Post#25 » by JellosJigglin » Wed Apr 6, 2022 8:32 am

I've seen the Lakers lose championships because of injuries so I'm not going to feel bad for winning one because of good health. I do feel a little differently about that title and at the time wished they just cancelled the entire season, but it counts in the books all the same.
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Re: After further review, I'm starting to shade LA's 2020 title 

Post#26 » by -Sammy- » Wed Apr 6, 2022 8:34 am

"The 2020 National Basketball Association world championship is legitimate."
- The National Basketball Association

"The 2020 National Basketball Association world championship is actually not legitimate."
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Re: After further review, I'm starting to shade LA's 2020 title 

Post#27 » by Stalwart » Wed Apr 6, 2022 9:20 am

The 2020 Bubble is NOT legitimate.

-4 month layoff
-neutral courts
-no crowds
-no travel
-half the players didn't want be there
-political strike(initiated by Lebron)

I really don't see that title holding up over time.
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Re: After further review, I'm starting to shade LA's 2020 title 

Post#28 » by C3H6N6O6 » Wed Apr 6, 2022 9:39 am

According to LeBron haters Kawhi who needs rest more than any other star didn't benefit from the 4 month layoff but somehow Lakers did. Clippers were the favorite to win it all at start of the season.

How do you guys try to act like you are not biased?

Everyone here was calling out the Lakers as not being mentally strong to win in the bubble when they lost games at start of the bubble.

Half this forum and most of Reddit was thinking that Blazers/Rockets will win the series when Lakers lost the first game of the series.
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Re: After further review, I'm starting to shade LA's 2020 title 

Post#29 » by Stalwart » Wed Apr 6, 2022 9:43 am

C3H6N6O6 wrote:According to LeBron haters Kawhi who needs rest more than any other star didn't benefit from the 4 month layoff but somehow Lakers did. Clippers were the favorite to win it all at start of the season.

How do you guys try to act like you are not biased?

Everyone here was calling out the Lakers as not being mentally strong to win in the bubble when they lost games at start of the bubble.

Half this forum and most of Reddit was thinking that Blazers/Rockets will win the series when Lakers lost the first game of the series.


Do you understand the concept of chemistry and teams building up a rhythm and momentum through out the season? Well all that goes away with a 4 month break. Typically when the NBA takes 4 months off they call it an offseason. They when the NBA comes back after 4 months its considered a new season.
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Re: After further review, I'm starting to shade LA's 2020 title 

Post#30 » by C3H6N6O6 » Wed Apr 6, 2022 10:03 am

Stalwart wrote:
C3H6N6O6 wrote:According to LeBron haters Kawhi who needs rest more than any other star didn't benefit from the 4 month layoff but somehow Lakers did. Clippers were the favorite to win it all at start of the season.

How do you guys try to act like you are not biased?

Everyone here was calling out the Lakers as not being mentally strong to win in the bubble when they lost games at start of the bubble.

Half this forum and most of Reddit was thinking that Blazers/Rockets will win the series when Lakers lost the first game of the series.


Do you understand the concept of chemistry and teams building up a rhythm and momentum through out the season? Well all that goes away with a 4 month break. Typically when the NBA takes 4 months off they call it an offseason. They when the NBA comes back after 4 months its considered a new season.

Why do you hate Milwaukee Bucks?
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Post#31 » by carlquincy » Wed Apr 6, 2022 10:19 am

The results of the poll.... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: After further review, I'm starting to shade LA's 2020 title 

Post#32 » by Jkam31 » Wed Apr 6, 2022 10:24 am

Stalwart wrote:The 2020 Bubble is NOT legitimate.

-4 month layoff
-neutral courts
-no crowds
-no travel
-half the players didn't want be there
-political strike(initiated by Lebron)

I really don't see that title holding up over time.


Seriously how can a non fool think it’s legit they literally didn’t hBe to travel and no fans let alone lakers illegally practicing and heat missing Bam/Dragic
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Re: After further review, I'm starting to shade LA's 2020 title 

Post#33 » by Mattatron » Wed Apr 6, 2022 10:51 am

LeBron and the Lakers just won the chip because Kawhi decided to do something historical that has never been done before - leaving a well balanced championship team just to be home for 3 months and then sharing a hotel in the bubble with the raps lol.
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Re: After further review, I'm starting to shade LA's 2020 title 

Post#34 » by Doranku » Wed Apr 6, 2022 11:17 am

So this is where the mental gymnastics have taken us, huh? An asterisk because a team didn't suffer any injuries during the playoffs. Nice.
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Re: After further review, I'm starting to shade LA's 2020 title 

Post#35 » by Sofia » Wed Apr 6, 2022 11:18 am

apollyon wrote:
Sofia wrote:Cool, can we review the asterisk circumstances for every title now?

Every season there are circumstances that teams either benefit or don't benefit from... a wild concept I know




It's already been done


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Re: After further review, I'm starting to shade LA's 2020 title 

Post#36 » by Kobeshow » Wed Apr 6, 2022 11:25 am

Well, 4 seasons of LeBron with the Lakers

- 2 lotteries (not even play-in in 2022)
- 1 first round exit
- 1 Disney World Championship

What's the outlier here???
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Re: After further review, I'm starting to shade LA's 2020 title 

Post#37 » by CreekShow » Wed Apr 6, 2022 11:31 am

That ring doesnt mean as much as Lakers fans pretend it does. Not because of the bubble but that championship doesnt make up for the mess he has created for them. GOATs dont give up like he has. He might be the most physically gifted player ever but you can see he doesnt have to drive to truly be considered the greatest of all time imo.
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Re: After further review, I'm starting to shade LA's 2020 title 

Post#38 » by hauntedcomputer » Wed Apr 6, 2022 11:34 am

I'll recognize this ring above any "MY TEAM WOULD'VE WON IF HEALTHY" whining.
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Re: After further review, I'm starting to shade LA's 2020 title 

Post#39 » by Fantaxp7 » Wed Apr 6, 2022 12:04 pm

They legitimately won...however I do believe that break benefited them the most.
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Re: After further review, I'm starting to shade LA's 2020 title 

Post#40 » by inonba » Wed Apr 6, 2022 12:04 pm

The championship is legitimate the same way the lockout championships are legitimate. In both cases, the championship should be asterisks as it wasn't under a "normal" season.

To say the Lakers legitimately won because all teams played under the same circumstances is absolute nonsense. The sole purpose of an 82 game season is so NBA teams DON'T play under the same circumstances in the way of home court advantage. To negate this, is dismissing the clear advantage having an extra game in front of the home court crowd presents. Hypothetically, if the league was forced to end the season early with a tournament and a team like the Knicks managed to string together a couple of good games and take the title. Would you still feel the same way?

Never forget. Changing the rules mid-season always benefits and disadvantages certain teams, and it would be hard to argue even by the most diehard Lakers fan that they didn't gain an advantage from the suspended season.

If you were to deal in pure hypotheticals, I highly doubt the Lakers would have made it out of the first round even if the variables were slightly altered such as all teams are in the bubble and 82 games are played. Before you call me a hater, consider who their first round opponents would have likely been under this scenario: Phoenix Suns. The same team that won every game in the bubble and eliminated the Lakers the following year.

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