CP3 has set the franchise record in wins with 4 different teams.

facothomas22 · Post #21 » by **facothomas22** » Sat Apr 9, 2022 12:37 am

He's the ultimate point guard. Every Team he has been apart of became a lot better. He helped improved the Suns from a Lottery team to a true Championship contender. Before that,he carried a overall poor Thunder team to the playoffs,played a very significant in helping the Houston Rockets having their greatest season since the Hakeem Olajuwon era and turned the Clippers from a laughing stock to a contender,along with helping the Hornets win 56 games in 2008 with a not great roster.

Post #22 » by **og15** » Sat Apr 9, 2022 12:37 am

hardenASG13 wrote:
BoatsNZones wrote:A career 65.0% win% when he is on the floor, which puts him in rarified air for top players of their team (ie not role players):

Curry: 66.0% https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/stephen-curry-career-win-percentage#:~:text=Stephen%20Curry%20has%20managed%20a,660%20in%20his%20career.

Jordan: 65.9% https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/career-winning-percentage-regular-season-michael-jordan#:~:text=Michael%20Jordan%20managed%20a%20win,659%20in%20his%20career.

Lebron: 65.4% https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/what-is-lebron-james-career-winning-percentage

Durant: 62.4% https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/kevin-durant-career-win-loss-record

The only higher are the Duncan to Kawhi era Spurs in the ~70%+ range. Magic/Bird/Russel N/A but they would be up there.

Makes you wonder why the rest of the list has multiple championship rings, and CP3 has 1 finals appearance.

Two of them paired up to get some of those championships.

Lebron, 6'8 athletic freak
Jordan, 6'6 athletic freak
Durant 6'10 athletic freak, added himself to a team that was like this seasons Suns but with one of their stars much younger
Curry 6'3 GOAT shooter, played on a super deep / balanced team the level that Paul never had until he played with Harden in Houston and now in Phoenix, and he played with one of the aforementioned guys

Oh, also, Paul gets injured a decent amount. Not much to wonder, there's no mystery, bigger players are advantaged over smaller ones, deeper, more balanced teams are advantaged over top heavy mediocre built teams, and pairing up with other top superstars advantages you.

Also, re-post:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2181519

BoatsNZones · Post #23 » by **BoatsNZones** » Sat Apr 9, 2022 12:40 am

hardenASG13 wrote:
BoatsNZones wrote:A career 65.0% win% when he is on the floor, which puts him in rarified air for top players of their team (ie not role players):

Curry: 66.0% https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/stephen-curry-career-win-percentage#:~:text=Stephen%20Curry%20has%20managed%20a,660%20in%20his%20career.

Jordan: 65.9% https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/career-winning-percentage-regular-season-michael-jordan#:~:text=Michael%20Jordan%20managed%20a%20win,659%20in%20his%20career.

Lebron: 65.4% https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/what-is-lebron-james-career-winning-percentage

Durant: 62.4% https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/kevin-durant-career-win-loss-record

The only higher are the Duncan to Kawhi era Spurs in the ~70%+ range. Magic/Bird/Russel N/A but they would be up there.

Makes you wonder why the rest of the list has multiple championship rings, and CP3 has 1 finals appearance.

Well, he played in the same conference with a few of 'em, and he has had some untimely injuries. Top 5 PG talent in NBA history imo though.

DroseReturnChi · Post #24 » by **DroseReturnChi** » Sat Apr 9, 2022 12:41 am

pr0wler wrote:Great impact, sure. But for 2/4 of those seasons, he wasn't even the best player on the team. Hard to suggest he "led" each of those franchises to record setting seasons.

lead also equates leadership buddy. harden was nothing without cp3. cp3 shouldnt be faulted for 0 rings after every franchise he played were losers mostly with idiot owners. harden/booker are nowhere title worthy its not like the core players won anything after cp3 left.

Post #25 » by **og15** » Sat Apr 9, 2022 12:44 am

DroseReturnChi wrote:
pr0wler wrote:Great impact, sure. But for 2/4 of those seasons, he wasn't even the best player on the team. Hard to suggest he "led" each of those franchises to record setting seasons.

lead also equates leadership buddy. harden was nothing without cp3. cp3 shouldnt be faulted for 0 rings after every franchise he played were losers mostly with idiot owners. harden/booker are nowhere title worthy its not like the core players won anything after cp3 left.

We don't need to insult one player to praise another, and Booker is 25, making conclusive statements about what he is or isn't doesn't make much sense. Paul certainly helped all those teams and was a top impact player for the result, so certainly relevant.

Lost92Bricks · Post #26 » by **Lost92Bricks** » Sat Apr 9, 2022 1:12 am

hardenASG13 wrote:Makes you wonder why the rest of the list has multiple championship rings, and CP3 has 1 finals appearance.

Lebron, Durant, Curry played with a different caliber teammates.

hardenASG13 · Post #27 » by **hardenASG13** » Sat Apr 9, 2022 1:20 am

og15 wrote:
hardenASG13 wrote:
BoatsNZones wrote:A career 65.0% win% when he is on the floor, which puts him in rarified air for top players of their team (ie not role players):

Curry: 66.0% https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/stephen-curry-career-win-percentage#:~:text=Stephen%20Curry%20has%20managed%20a,660%20in%20his%20career.

Jordan: 65.9% https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/career-winning-percentage-regular-season-michael-jordan#:~:text=Michael%20Jordan%20managed%20a%20win,659%20in%20his%20career.

Lebron: 65.4% https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/what-is-lebron-james-career-winning-percentage

Durant: 62.4% https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/kevin-durant-career-win-loss-record

The only higher are the Duncan to Kawhi era Spurs in the ~70%+ range. Magic/Bird/Russel N/A but they would be up there.

Makes you wonder why the rest of the list has multiple championship rings, and CP3 has 1 finals appearance.

Two of them paired up to get some of those championships.

Lebron, 6'8 athletic freak
Jordan, 6'6 athletic freak
Durant 6'10 athletic freak, added himself to a team that was like this seasons Suns but with one of their stars much younger
Curry 6'3 GOAT shooter, played on a super deep / balanced team the level that Paul never had until he played with Harden in Houston and now in Phoenix, and he played with one of the aforementioned guys

Oh, also, Paul gets injured a decent amount. Not much to wonder, there's no mystery, bigger players are advantaged over smaller ones, deeper, more balanced teams are advantaged over top heavy mediocre built teams, and pairing up with other top superstars advantages you.

Also, re-post:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2181519

Was being sarcastic. I think CP3 is massively over rated and hate to see him compared to guys like that.

Ugalde · Post #28 » by **Ugalde** » Sat Apr 9, 2022 1:33 am

there’s one aspect of the game that we have a very hard time gauging and it’s intangibles. obviously chris has intangibles that win games.

handsome salary · Post #29 » by **handsome salary** » Sat Apr 9, 2022 2:42 am

Ugalde wrote:there’s one aspect of the game that we have a very hard time gauging and it’s intangibles. obviously chris has intangibles that win games.

On the Suns he’s about being a team leader and teacher. Not stats , not looking to play with old veteran big names/friends, embraces the younger teammates. Was he the same with OKC?

Ugalde · Post #30 » by **Ugalde** » Sat Apr 9, 2022 2:44 am

handsome salary wrote:
Ugalde wrote:there’s one aspect of the game that we have a very hard time gauging and it’s intangibles. obviously chris has intangibles that win games.

On the Suns he’s about being a team leader and teacher. Not stats , not looking to play with old veteran big names/friends, embraces the younger teammates. Was he the same with OKC?

i have no clue.

Pointgod · Post #31 » by **Pointgod** » Sat Apr 9, 2022 2:44 am

Is Chris Paul a top 5 floor raiser in the league?

Shock Defeat · Post #32 » by **Shock Defeat** » Sat Apr 9, 2022 2:48 am

Mrakar wrote:
pr0wler wrote:Great impact, sure. But for 2/4 of those seasons, he wasn't even the best player on the team. Hard to suggest he "led" each of those franchises to record setting seasons.

Harden was a great player but CP3 impacts winning more than he does.( He almost beat him with Thunder team that tried to tank whole season, but CP didnt let them). Harden would rather play with worse player(Westbrook) and not win than win with CP3, because he is lazy and doesnt want to listen/improve.
Booker is great player but CP impacts winning more than he does. However Booker learned/still learns from CP and he will continue to lead this team after CP is done.

Before CP3 got there the Rockets were already a 55 win team

JBreezeNY · Post #33 » by **JBreezeNY** » Sat Apr 9, 2022 2:50 am

He was left to die in OKC and said Iite I got something for y’all.

Will always give him praise for what he did with that Thunder team.

Lost92Bricks · Post #34 » by **Lost92Bricks** » Sat Apr 9, 2022 4:04 am

Man, this Suns team is tooough.

Tha Cynic · Post #35 » by **Tha Cynic** » Sat Apr 9, 2022 4:22 am

hardenASG13 wrote:
og15 wrote:
hardenASG13 wrote:
Makes you wonder why the rest of the list has multiple championship rings, and CP3 has 1 finals appearance.

Two of them paired up to get some of those championships.

Lebron, 6'8 athletic freak
Jordan, 6'6 athletic freak
Durant 6'10 athletic freak, added himself to a team that was like this seasons Suns but with one of their stars much younger
Curry 6'3 GOAT shooter, played on a super deep / balanced team the level that Paul never had until he played with Harden in Houston and now in Phoenix, and he played with one of the aforementioned guys

Oh, also, Paul gets injured a decent amount. Not much to wonder, there's no mystery, bigger players are advantaged over smaller ones, deeper, more balanced teams are advantaged over top heavy mediocre built teams, and pairing up with other top superstars advantages you.

Also, re-post:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2181519

Was being sarcastic. I think CP3 is massively over rated and hate to see him compared to guys like that.

Interesting take. I think he's one of the most underrated players in the NBA and has been for numerous years. He hasn't played with players as good as the others in that list have.

He's also the biggest flopper in the NBA. He has taught Booker well.

BlzMwt · Post #36 » by **BlzMwt** » Sat Apr 9, 2022 4:34 am

Tha Cynic wrote:
hardenASG13 wrote:
og15 wrote:Two of them paired up to get some of those championships.

Lebron, 6'8 athletic freak
Jordan, 6'6 athletic freak
Durant 6'10 athletic freak, added himself to a team that was like this seasons Suns but with one of their stars much younger
Curry 6'3 GOAT shooter, played on a super deep / balanced team the level that Paul never had until he played with Harden in Houston and now in Phoenix, and he played with one of the aforementioned guys

Oh, also, Paul gets injured a decent amount. Not much to wonder, there's no mystery, bigger players are advantaged over smaller ones, deeper, more balanced teams are advantaged over top heavy mediocre built teams, and pairing up with other top superstars advantages you.

Also, re-post:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2181519

Was being sarcastic. I think CP3 is massively over rated and hate to see him compared to guys like that.

Interesting take. I think he's one of the most underrated players in the NBA and has been for numerous years. He hasn't played with players as good as the others in that list have.

He's also the biggest flopper in the NBA. He has taught Booker well.

He's definitely underrated, especially by those who are so stuck on a ring being the only distinction by which we should rank players

Mrakar · Post #37 » by **Mrakar** » Sat Apr 9, 2022 6:46 am

Shock Defeat wrote:
Mrakar wrote:
pr0wler wrote:Great impact, sure. But for 2/4 of those seasons, he wasn't even the best player on the team. Hard to suggest he "led" each of those franchises to record setting seasons.

Harden was a great player but CP3 impacts winning more than he does.( He almost beat him with Thunder team that tried to tank whole season, but CP didnt let them). Harden would rather play with worse player(Westbrook) and not win than win with CP3, because he is lazy and doesnt want to listen/improve.
Booker is great player but CP impacts winning more than he does. However Booker learned/still learns from CP and he will continue to lead this team after CP is done.

Before CP3 got there the Rockets were already a 55 win team

And they were not close to being a real contender...
With Paul they were 2nd best team in the league, and if not for the best team in history of NBA they would probably be a 2 time NBA champs....

SpreeS · Post #38 » by **SpreeS** » Sat Apr 9, 2022 7:13 am

Mrakar wrote:
Shock Defeat wrote:
Mrakar wrote:Harden was a great player but CP3 impacts winning more than he does.( He almost beat him with Thunder team that tried to tank whole season, but CP didnt let them). Harden would rather play with worse player(Westbrook) and not win than win with CP3, because he is lazy and doesnt want to listen/improve.
Booker is great player but CP impacts winning more than he does. However Booker learned/still learns from CP and he will continue to lead this team after CP is done.

Before CP3 got there the Rockets were already a 55 win team

And they were not close to being a real contender...
With Paul they were 2nd best team in the league, and if not for the best team in history of NBA they would probably be a 2 time NBA champs....

No no no. You could say about Malone/Stockton if not Jordan super team, they would be 2 time champs…Paul had huge opportunity to win both years against GSW, but got injured and choked after KD injury.

MrBigShot · Post #39 » by **MrBigShot** » Sat Apr 9, 2022 7:22 am

Regardless of whether he wins a championship or not I think CP3 is a winner. He's had some unfortunate injury luck in his career, and faced the dubs with KD which were far and away the best team in the league. Everywhere he goes seems to develop a winning culture.

Warriorfan · Post #40 » by **Warriorfan** » Sat Apr 9, 2022 9:29 am

You remember the teams whose seasons
end in championships not the teams with best records during the regular season.