Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Cleveland Cavaliers
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Great year for Cavs. They REALLY need a 3 man, and for Okoro to develop into a starter. Not sure on Sexton-might have to let him walk. Lauri is a PERFECT 3rd big long term for this team as well-bright future, and they get to keep their pick
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In the end.
Sky is blue
grass is green
Poop floats
and truth shines.
ricky rubio WAS THE MVP of the team THE REAL REASON of the good beggining the ONE THAT DESERVED To be in the Asg.
but every thread on those topics disregarded him and looked for other answers..
well
poop time.
rubio went down.
team fell of a cliff
o yeah another one, rondo was going to be a better fit replacement
too bad that he will probably will come back completely done so he probably wont be able to go and elevate the game of YET ANOTHER TEAM while being underapreciated or ignored and later be stabbed in the back by the team.
Sky is blue
grass is green
Poop floats
and truth shines.
ricky rubio WAS THE MVP of the team THE REAL REASON of the good beggining the ONE THAT DESERVED To be in the Asg.
but every thread on those topics disregarded him and looked for other answers..
well
poop time.
rubio went down.
team fell of a cliff
o yeah another one, rondo was going to be a better fit replacement
too bad that he will probably will come back completely done so he probably wont be able to go and elevate the game of YET ANOTHER TEAM while being underapreciated or ignored and later be stabbed in the back by the team.
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Cleveland had a great season. They literally doubled their win total from last season to this season. They don't need to do anything drastic. Just stay healthy (which is a crap shoot I know) for the playoffs and let the young guys grow and develop. I can't remember if Sexton is a RFA so a sign and trade could potentially get them something.
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What a great season they had. Played out of their skins. I would look to move Sexton and love for a couple of useful other young pieces to build around Allen, Mobley and Garland. Bickerstaff did a great job. Sure they lost but it took a unbelievable second half by young to get them. Once they get Allen back they will be formidable
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People talk about needing shooting, but IMO the Cavs bigger need is more PG skills (partly just dribbling and passing, but perhaps even more so running an NBA offense).
This isn't a knock on Garland, but an acknowledgement that a modern NBA offense needs more then one player with PG skills on-court. The 2nd guy could be a PF or C in some cases but is usually a wing (and having a 3rd or 4th guy with PG skills is a nice bonus). With Cleveland, Lauri worked as a SF for shooting but doesn't bring any PG skills. Neither does Okoro or Cassipi to any real degree. LaVert brings some PG skills but it really feels like he just dibbles to score himself, not to run an offense at all
The offense looked best when Rubio was on-court with Garland, but even if the bring him back as a FA he'll be injured to start the year. In theory Sexton could fill a lot of this role but they have to resign him to a reasonable contract (and he also has some LaVert in that he's more about his personal offense then the team offense, but not to that extent).
This isn't a knock on Garland, but an acknowledgement that a modern NBA offense needs more then one player with PG skills on-court. The 2nd guy could be a PF or C in some cases but is usually a wing (and having a 3rd or 4th guy with PG skills is a nice bonus). With Cleveland, Lauri worked as a SF for shooting but doesn't bring any PG skills. Neither does Okoro or Cassipi to any real degree. LaVert brings some PG skills but it really feels like he just dibbles to score himself, not to run an offense at all
The offense looked best when Rubio was on-court with Garland, but even if the bring him back as a FA he'll be injured to start the year. In theory Sexton could fill a lot of this role but they have to resign him to a reasonable contract (and he also has some LaVert in that he's more about his personal offense then the team offense, but not to that extent).
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Having pick #14 is a nice consolation prize, hopefully can add a true 3 & D wing. Looking for a Kawhi or Giannis with this pick, lol j.k... But seriously.
Hopefully picks #39 and #58 can be packaged to move up into the top of the 2nd round, looking for that Dray/Jokic type talent here haha nah, a Herb Jones would be perfect.
Cavs should try to purge themselves of Sexton and LeVert, hopefully Goodwin is willing to re-sign to a reasonable deal.
Markkanen and Love would both thrive behind Mobley at the 4 but Markkanen may have to stay in the starting lineup for now. Moses Brown should be a fine back-up 5, on limited minutes.
Outside of that, let Windler and Cherdleys keep the bench warm.
Hopefully picks #39 and #58 can be packaged to move up into the top of the 2nd round, looking for that Dray/Jokic type talent here haha nah, a Herb Jones would be perfect.
Cavs should try to purge themselves of Sexton and LeVert, hopefully Goodwin is willing to re-sign to a reasonable deal.
Markkanen and Love would both thrive behind Mobley at the 4 but Markkanen may have to stay in the starting lineup for now. Moses Brown should be a fine back-up 5, on limited minutes.
Outside of that, let Windler and Cherdleys keep the bench warm.
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I really wanted them to make it
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Next year is another of improvement.
The key is the FA 23/24 if they can land 1 or two top talents to add to the core of Garland-Mobley-Allen
So they better dont **** the cap space for that year.
So let Sexton walk, and sign one year deals to complete the roster.
The key is the FA 23/24 if they can land 1 or two top talents to add to the core of Garland-Mobley-Allen
So they better dont **** the cap space for that year.
So let Sexton walk, and sign one year deals to complete the roster.
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Great young team derailed by injuries..
Though not a fan of the LeVert trade.
Though not a fan of the LeVert trade.
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It was a huge blow to the young Cavs' playoff chances when they lost high BB IQ, veteran Ricky Rubio to injury earlier this season, but they still have a nice roster to build on and should go in to next season with considerable optimism.
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I wish these polls were public. Who’s the troll that voted the Cavs are a waning team lmao
76ciology wrote:Wouldn't Edey have a better chance of winning the scoring battle against Tatum in the post after a switch than Tatum shooting over Edey's 9'6" standing reach?
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I know he isnt a perfect player, but Im pretty sure Cavs would`ve won last night if they had Sexton..That 3rd quarter was really hard on the team, after Atlanta adjusted to Garland they had no one who could score or create any offense. I think the Cavs should try something like the Pels did this year, use Garland and Sexton (like Ingram and McCollum), to create offense, and let your big lineup do their thing on defense (maybe they can find a wing better than Lauri on the draft). I dont know if this team has the capital to let a 20ppg scorer go, Mobley and Allen are great, but this team needs more perimeter play.
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BJ is a good coach, but for the Cavs to get another level, you need a better coach
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Cavs have done a great job. They have mixed some high picks with some talented guys that other teams did not appreciate. They are fast, physical and long. They are no fluke. They should be back in the playoffs next season baring injuries.
My eyes glaze over when reading alternative stat (not advanced stat) narratives that go many paragraphs long. If you can not make your point in 2 paragraphs it may not be a great point. 
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TinmanZBoy wrote:BJ is a good coach, but for the Cavs to get another level, you need a better coach
I think that should be their biggest takeaway from the play-in games, especially the Hawks game
Allen and Garland breaking out and ofc Mobley existing haha, have very little to do with Bickerstaff.
With the addition of some productive players like Rubio (b4 he was injured) and Love finally healthy and desiring to play - I think the credit for the big leap in wins from the season before, has very little to do with the coach.
His rotations against the Hawks were mind-boggling and also his 0% adjustments vs. the Hawks 3 guard lineup once Capela went down.
Half court offense was a joke, not even running decent pick n' rolls...just Garland and Levert dribbling the ball away and chucking - that's on the coach.
Gm is just fine, They need to unload Sexton, levert for whatever they could get. If an opportunity presents itself to get decent value out of Okoro - I would roll the dice on that too.
Keep developing their Big 3, they are going to a playoff team starting next season for a long time, like their future alot, probably because I think regard Mobley highly
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Exp0sed wrote:TinmanZBoy wrote:BJ is a good coach, but for the Cavs to get another level, you need a better coach
I think that should be their biggest takeaway from the play-in games, especially the Hawks game
Allen and Garland breaking out and ofc Mobley existing haha, have very little to do with Bickerstaff.
With the addition of some productive players like Rubio (b4 he was injured) and Love finally healthy and desiring to play - I think the credit for the big leap in wins from the season before, has very little to do with the coach.
His rotations against the Hawks were mind-boggling and also his 0% adjustments vs. the Hawks 3 guard lineup once Capela went down.
Half court offense was a joke, not even running decent pick n' rolls...just Garland and Levert dribbling the ball away and chucking - that's on the coach.
Gm is just fine, They need to unload Sexton, levert for whatever they could get. If an opportunity presents itself to get decent value out of Okoro - I would roll the dice on that too.
Keep developing their Big 3, they are going to a playoff team starting next season for a long time, like their future alot, probably because I think regard Mobley highly
LeVert could play a lot better with a different coach…
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TinmanZBoy wrote:Exp0sed wrote:TinmanZBoy wrote:BJ is a good coach, but for the Cavs to get another level, you need a better coach
I think that should be their biggest takeaway from the play-in games, especially the Hawks game
Allen and Garland breaking out and ofc Mobley existing haha, have very little to do with Bickerstaff.
With the addition of some productive players like Rubio (b4 he was injured) and Love finally healthy and desiring to play - I think the credit for the big leap in wins from the season before, has very little to do with the coach.
His rotations against the Hawks were mind-boggling and also his 0% adjustments vs. the Hawks 3 guard lineup once Capela went down.
Half court offense was a joke, not even running decent pick n' rolls...just Garland and Levert dribbling the ball away and chucking - that's on the coach.
Gm is just fine, They need to unload Sexton, levert for whatever they could get. If an opportunity presents itself to get decent value out of Okoro - I would roll the dice on that too.
Keep developing their Big 3, they are going to a playoff team starting next season for a long time, like their future alot, probably because I think regard Mobley highly
LeVert could play a lot better with a different coach…
Perhaps, but I was a Levert hater well before that. He's a nice dude but he's backup lvl
He's got a decent skillset for a 6th man but just doesn't have lead guard capabilities, certainly not on a team with playoff aspirations - he's a nice dude...just not very good
Perhaps a diff coach could have gotten more out of him, but to me he's always been mediocre, since his Nets days - just who he is and nothing wrong with that
edit: imo Levert = Barton
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in the end, losing may turn out to work in the cavs favor. If they get some lotto lock, losing to Atlanta may be one of those “what if” moments people talk about.
Do the pacers get a different pick now?
Do the pacers get a different pick now?
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I’m sure some cavs fans are disappointed with how things ended but don’t be too down. Had a really good year that should have gone different. Will def improve and be better next year.
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Disappointing end but they had some injury struggles down the stretch, and they’re also still learning as a team.
A first round matchup with the Heat would have provided this young squad with some much needed playoff experience, but they caught some bad breaks.
None the less, Extremely bright future for Cleveland fans. Garland is a bonafide star and Mobley is possibly the most desired young asset in the league. If management does a good job I see the makings of a future contender in this team.
As a Raps fan I think the Cavs will become one of our biggest rivals over the next half decade as both try to take over the East. Cavs will be an exciting team to watch develop next season and beyond. Big Mobley fan.
A first round matchup with the Heat would have provided this young squad with some much needed playoff experience, but they caught some bad breaks.
None the less, Extremely bright future for Cleveland fans. Garland is a bonafide star and Mobley is possibly the most desired young asset in the league. If management does a good job I see the makings of a future contender in this team.
As a Raps fan I think the Cavs will become one of our biggest rivals over the next half decade as both try to take over the East. Cavs will be an exciting team to watch develop next season and beyond. Big Mobley fan.
Go Raps!!




