TMac says that Kyrie & KD duo are more skilled than LeBron & Wade and Jordan & Pippen

[KembaWalker]

remember when every TV spot wasn't some guys audition for First Take? stop watching sports television people

[LAL1947]

Do you think Bron got to top 3 all time on chance?

LeBron is the better
Rebounder
Scorer
Defender

All that takes skill, and he excels incredibly well in each.
Kyrie has the dribbles and KD has the pull-ups and all court threat to score, that’s about it.

Not all these things are a product of skill. Some are also a product of physical/athletic ability and size.

Lol now it’s because LeBron is just too big to be skilled, it has to be solely attributed to his size?

Yeah, you know what it takes to be better than someone at damn near everything in the sport? Skill. And Bron has it in spades.

I didn’t even get to playmaking where he dwarfs these two. I guess that’s all due to his physical size too though.

Why are you being so sensitive about this? Being more skilled doesn't immediately translate to being a better player... and skill does not include BBIQ or vision either. Also, for the third time, I'm writing that I agree Lebron is a better player than both KD and Kyrie and Top 3 All-Time but you keep ignoring that.

[The High Cyde]

Not all these things are a product of skill. Some are also a product of physical/athletic ability and size.

Lol now it’s because LeBron is just too big to be skilled, it has to be solely attributed to his size?

Yeah, you know what it takes to be better than someone at damn near everything in the sport? Skill. And Bron has it in spades.

I didn’t even get to playmaking where he dwarfs these two. I guess that’s all due to his physical size too though.

Why are you being so sensitive about this? Being more skilled doesn't immediately translate to being a better player... and skill does not include BBIQ or vision either. Also, for the third time, I'm writing that I agree Lebron is a better player than both KD and Kyrie and Top 3 All-Time but you keep ignoring that.

My bad, it’s a pet peeve of mine that because a player is big they can’t be as skilled as others. Apologies for coming in too hot. Enjoy the thread!

[Jazz9]

Irving is the perfect example of why you shouldn't take players' opinions that seriously

To them he represents the ideal baller, that guy on the playground with a game nicer than anyone, silky smooth with great handles and a good shooter
Does that mean he's the most skilled? Hell no
There's a lot more to "skills" than that

Just like many of them won't give LeBron his props when it comes to skills because he's built like a tank and can, among maaaaany other things, play bully ball

[Michael Jackson]

Jordan and Pippen being the most defensive skilled of the groups for sure then >> LeBron/Wade >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kyrie/KD. On pure offense that list is reversed IMHO. All 3 are amazing pairings... I don't agree with TMac though. Scottie Pippen also doesn't agree that he is the weakest link of all of them, just ask him lol.

[shangrila]

Off topic, but TMac just disappeared after the whole Nichols thing.

[Patches Perry]

Saying a player is more "skilled" is like saying a player is a better "two-way" player. They are just arbitrary categories that mean nothing when comparing to other players because the categories intentionally and selectively omit information in order to give an advantage to otherwise inferior players.

[threethehardway]

It's crazy that NBA players think that dribbling and jumpshooting are like the end all and be all to skills lol.

Because those are the most valuable skills to have in basketball.

If you can't dribble, you can't create your own shot. If you can't shoot, you can't score with ease.

[NZB2323]

Is defense not a skill?

[Saciid11]

Offensive skills in terms of scoring effortlessly then TMAC is not wrong, he has 100% right. But in terms of overall skills then they are nowhere being as good as Lebron& Wade due in their prime or MJ & Pippen ..

[Klayforspicy]

um yea

[Kobe187]

He’s not saying they’re better he’s just saying likely more skilled which he’s probably right about.

[DaPessimist]

I'm gonna disagree. Passing, defense, and leadership are all skills... and KD/Kyrie are clearly inferior in these departments.

Kyrie has a fancy dribble, but his handle isn't as movement-efficient as MJ's or Wade's.

[dribble1614]

who cares. they’re a way worse duo that has never accomplished anything. they’ll never sniff lebron/wade level success, never mind the goat level multi 3-peat dominance of jordan / pippen.

[MrBigShot]

I get that LeBron and Wade were both very physically gifted athletes in their primes but they were also excellent finishers capable of finishing with either hand in a variety of ways at the rim, and better passers than both Kyrie and KD. Also LeBron developed into a very effective post player in Miami. In Wade's case I feel like it's been so damn long since he was at his peak and "the guy" that people forgot just how absurdly talented he was. Drop 08-09 Wade in today's NBA and he would be in the running for best player in the world.

[tsherkin]

I'm gonna disagree. Passing, defense, and leadership are all skills... and KD/Kyrie are clearly inferior in these departments.

Kyrie has a fancy dribble, but his handle isn't as movement-efficient as MJ's or Wade's.

There is no question that Kyrie is a more dynamic and effective ball handler. What he does was, however, mostly illegal before around 98,so that needs be considered. Still, jt is a small concession to admit that truth. Jordan's off-ball movement, post game and defense were all superior, so that plays as well, you know?

[Frank Dux]

Kyrie isn’t even KD’s most skilled teammate. I’ll take Curry’s skill set over Kyrie’s any day.

[mynameKIM]

Another post forgetting how good Prime wade and Lebron were
Are we talking basic skills? Ill rank them as Edge to
1. 1. Dribbling 1)Irving 2)Wade 3)lebron 4)KD --TIED
2. 2. Shooting 1)KD 2) Irving 3) Lebron 4) Wade --KD-IRVING
3. 3. Passing. 1)Lebron 2)Irving 3)Wade 4)KD. -- Lebron-Wade
4. 4. Running 1) Flash 2)Lebron 3)Irving 4)KD -- Lebron-Wade
5. 5. Jumping 1) Lebron 2) Wade 3) KD 4) Irving -- Lebron-Wade
6. 6. Rebounding 1) Lebron 2)KD 3) Wade 4) Irving -- Lebron-Wade
7. 7. Blocking 1) Wade 2)Lebron 3) KD 4)Irving -- Lebron-Wade
8. 8. Stealing 1Lebron 2)Wade 3)Irving 4) KD -- Lebron-Wade
9. 9. Moves 1)Irving 2)Wade 3)KD 4)Lebron -- Kd Irving

Dont see the Kyrie and KD are more skilled than wade and lebron stop this nonsense n

Running, jumping and blocking are not skills. They are based on athleticism and length.

[Jables]

Does McGrady ever say anything insightful? Everytime I hear about him it's just absolute dribble. Wtf does Kyrie having more skill than Pippen mean? In any context? Yeah and Nash and Dirk were more skilled than Giannis and Middleton, somebody pay me for this ****.

[mynameKIM]

Is defense not a skill?

Its debatable. I'd say defense is 80% athleticism and length. When was the last time u saw a laterally slow and short defender get all NBA defense nods?