Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Utah Jazz

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4 Questions

Poll ended at Sun May 1, 2022 4:27 am

Q1: Keep the GM
58
16%
Q1: Fire the GM
26
7%
Q2: Keep the coach
42
11%
Q2: Fire the coach
45
12%
Q3: Performed better than expected
1
0%
Q3: Performed as expected
33
9%
Q3: Performed worse than expected
60
16%
Q4: Rising Team
0
No votes
Q4: Treadmill Team
54
15%
Q4: Waning Team
49
13%
 
Total votes: 368

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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Utah Jazz 

Post#21 » by Catchall » Fri Apr 29, 2022 4:55 am

Swish1906 wrote:Sell high on Mitchell and make Clarkson a starter. Clarkson was better than Mitchell this series.


Mitchell is being asked to carry too much of a load. It's the same problem that Dame Lillard has had and James Harden had for a few years in Houston. Mitchell needs a solid guy to play next to. Jazz won't move him.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Utah Jazz 

Post#22 » by Richard4444 » Fri Apr 29, 2022 4:56 am

laronprofit9 wrote:Mike Conley’s travel sums up his entire post season. Guy was flat out cancer to the Jazz. Taking ill advised elbow wing 3 pointers bricking them every single time. He was arguably the Mav’s 3rd best player after Luka and Brunson

Bogdonavic missed game winner sums up the Jazz. The entire team kept bricking jumpers open or contested. 3-30 in game 5. 25.7% in game 6.

Sorry the Mavs defense is good, but not so stifling where you shoot that bad . Almost like I’ve never seen a team miss that many open shots.


Utah is first in offense efficiency, the third team in FG% efficiency, third in number of 3s/game made, second in TS%, 8th in Points, 13th in 3FG%.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Utah Jazz 

Post#23 » by Swish1906 » Fri Apr 29, 2022 4:58 am

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laronprofit9 wrote:Mike Conley’s travel sums up his entire post season. Guy was flat out cancer to the Jazz. Taking ill advised elbow wing 3 pointers bricking them every single time. He was arguably the Mav’s 3rd best player after Luka and Brunson

Bogdonavic missed game winner sums up the Jazz. The entire team kept bricking jumpers open or contested. 3-30 in game 5. 25.7% in game 6.

Sorry the Mavs defense is good, but not so stifling where you shoot that bad . Almost like I’ve never seen a team miss that many open shots.


Utah is first in offense efficiency, the third team in FG% efficiency, third in number of 3s/game made, second in TS%, 8th in Points, 13th in 3FG%.


...in the RS but always easy as f exploitable in a series
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Utah Jazz 

Post#24 » by TinmanZBoy » Fri Apr 29, 2022 5:00 am

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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Utah Jazz 

Post#25 » by MrBigShot » Fri Apr 29, 2022 5:01 am

Mitchell essentially had 1 good game this series, game 3. Even in games 1/2 when he had big scoring numbers he did it taking like 30 shots.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Utah Jazz 

Post#26 » by PapaBear53 » Fri Apr 29, 2022 5:03 am

Swish1906 wrote:Sell high on Mitchell and make Clarkson a starter. Clarkson was better than Mitchell this series.



I agree that some changes need to be made, and I agree Clarkson was better than Mitchell this series, but Clarkson was flat out terrible the first 2/3 of the season, shooting well under 40% overall and just barely over 30% from 3. Clarkson is great right where he is. You certainly don't want to have to depend on him playing huge minutes.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Utah Jazz 

Post#27 » by harborlight » Fri Apr 29, 2022 5:21 am

Trade Mitchell, Gobert won't get you enough for it to be worth it.

Jazz Trade:
Donovan Mitchell
Rudy Gay

Cavaliers Trade:
Cedi Osman
Caris LaVert
Collin Sexton
2023 first round pick
2025 first round pick

Make it happen Cavs.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Utah Jazz 

Post#28 » by MrGoat » Fri Apr 29, 2022 5:22 am

Changes need to be made but what? Quin Snyder got so desperate in the 4th quarter he played Eric Paschall for a stretch after the Mavs went off from deep in the third quarter like teams are apt to do against the Jazz. Not a bad idea actually, and the team didn't quit even though they could have. One thing they definitely need to address is finding a way to stop dribble penetration, they made Jalen Brunson a lot of money in that series
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Utah Jazz 

Post#29 » by MagicMamba88 » Fri Apr 29, 2022 5:30 am

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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Utah Jazz 

Post#30 » by babyjax13 » Fri Apr 29, 2022 6:04 am

harborlight wrote:Trade Mitchell, Gobert won't get you enough for it to be worth it.

Jazz Trade:
Donovan Mitchell
Rudy Gay

Cavaliers Trade:
Cedi Osman
Caris LaVert
Collin Sexton
2023 first round pick
2025 first round pick

Make it happen Cavs.

Not possible under the CBA (BYC rules) and just a **** return for Utah
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Utah Jazz 

Post#31 » by babyjax13 » Fri Apr 29, 2022 6:07 am

I think there are several possible answers for how to respond from the FO, but the fundamental issue is that we never put the right supporting cast around Donovan and Rudy. Instead of worrying about holistic fit, we got the most talented 3rd banana at the time (Conley) that we could afford to trade for, and decided that Rudy was a one man defense so went entirely for offense. It worked in the regular season, but no one is good enough to cover a playoff team on their own for an entire season, and that got exploited over and over again, because as soon as you can create dribble penetration with no resistance from perimeter defenders Rudy has to rotate and you get an open three...or Rudy has to stay home and you get a layup. So, three options:

1) try to find the right peripheral pieces with the assets you have (few, but worth exploring)
2) trade one of Mitchell/Gobert and build around the other with the assets you get
3) blow it up and trade both

FWIW I'm in favor of #1 but am open that it might not be possible because we are so asset depleted from the string of point guard acquisitions we made...in total we've dealt something like 6 first round picks/recent picks for point guards (Hill, Rubio, Conley) only to have Conley age out of being a legit second option.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Utah Jazz 

Post#32 » by facothomas22 » Fri Apr 29, 2022 7:37 am

It's time for a full rebuild. The sooner this team accepts that they can't win with Rudy Gobert and Donovan Mitchell,the better.Having 1-2 bad to very seasons with a good chance of gettign a top 5 draft pick, while also already having young players to build around(trust me,the Jazz could be to get a lot of young talent and draft picks in exchange for Mitchell and Gobert) is much better than setting for mediocrity and 1st round exits every season.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Utah Jazz 

Post#33 » by timO » Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:12 am

They are going to treadmill another season, but with another coach.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Utah Jazz 

Post#34 » by VDT » Fri Apr 29, 2022 10:54 am

Rebuild. Mitchell is not a first option and wants out, Gobert is basically detrimental to any team with title aspirations
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Utah Jazz 

Post#35 » by JujitsuFlip » Fri Apr 29, 2022 11:43 am

Time to get off the treadmill, folks. Go ahead and hit that hard reset button.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Utah Jazz 

Post#36 » by dhsilv2 » Fri Apr 29, 2022 12:01 pm

I think the theme we're going to see playout over the next couple of years is a HUGE demand for mobile 2ndary rim protectors who are mobile enough to cover space. Think Covington types. This is the piece missing on the Jazz and Nuggets big time.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Utah Jazz 

Post#37 » by CallMeKahn » Fri Apr 29, 2022 12:15 pm

Speaking as a Jazz fan, as much as love the core, it won't do anything. I kind of think Ainge was brought in for this exact reason. Gobert nor Mitchell's value won't be any higher.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Utah Jazz 

Post#38 » by Curmudgeon » Fri Apr 29, 2022 12:24 pm

Big changes coming with trader Danny at the helm.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Utah Jazz 

Post#39 » by ElectricMayhem » Fri Apr 29, 2022 2:58 pm

I haven't watched much of Utah this year. I was surprised they had the top offensive rating in the league. Gobert is definitely in the elite tier of defenders, but as has been stated, he can't do it alone. Mitchell and Gobert can work together, but they need to be surrounded by more 2-way players. I don't know if they have what the assets necessary to make that change, though.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Utah Jazz 

Post#40 » by Ballerhogger » Fri Apr 29, 2022 3:47 pm

Catchall wrote:
Swish1906 wrote:Sell high on Mitchell and make Clarkson a starter. Clarkson was better than Mitchell this series.


Mitchell is being asked to carry too much of a load. It's the same problem that Dame Lillard has had and James Harden had for a few years in Houston. Mitchell needs a solid guy to play next to. Jazz won't move him.

Gobert contract pretty unmovable...... So the best the can do is hire new coach, try get some defensive cheap role players.. Get rid clarkson if thats their plan keep mitchell.

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