2022 Most Decreased Value

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Poll ended at Mon May 30, 2022 6:42 am

Bam Adebayo
1
1%
Kevin Durant
2
2%
James Harden
31
31%
Kyrie Irving
13
13%
Kyle Lowry
4
4%
Julius Randle
7
7%
Duncan Robinson
6
6%
Ben Simmons
17
17%
Russell Westbrook
16
16%
Zion Williamson
3
3%
 
Total votes: 100

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Re: 2022 Most Decreased Value 

Post#21 » by Jadoogar » Sat May 28, 2022 10:13 pm

cupcakesnake wrote:- Julius Randle. I know a lot of us were anti-Randle even when he was at his best. But for him to morph from all-NBA 2nd team into a huge negative value contract immediately... just yikes. Everyone was patting the Knicks on the back last year for finally getting on track, and that Randle contract almost single-handedly plummeted them back into the gutter with no easy way out.
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he had insane shooting luck last season. Before last season he had shot 30% from three only once (and it was pretty low volume). Last season he shot 41% on 5.5 attempts. That kind of jump is rarely sustainable.
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Re: 2022 Most Decreased Value 

Post#22 » by Lockdown504090 » Sat May 28, 2022 10:17 pm

iLLmatic860 wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:
NZB2323 wrote:From a legacy standpoint I think Durant has to be on that list. He had a 13.5 PER in this playoffs and the Warriors might win another title without him.

The warriors tanked and got wiggins in return and are playing against worse teams than what they faced 4 years ago.

I would kill Him more for this playoff performance, but this team was pretty dysfunctional, especially in comparison with what he did against what he did in the playoffs last year.

I think the bigger guy here is trae young. He struggled to be efficient against policy Philly due to size, then again with Miami as they also made him defend a lot. I’m curious to see how young adjusts his game next season.

Soo now they’re playing worse teams ? Lol funny because nobody had Warriors making finals beginning of the season

1. do preseason predictions determine how good a team is?
2. and do you disagree that the cavs and rockets are better than the teams theyve played this year? why create a strawman using narratives when we just watched them play 3 rounds in the playoffs and a whole regular season?
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Re: 2022 Most Decreased Value 

Post#23 » by Egg Nog » Sat May 28, 2022 10:21 pm

Freighttrain wrote:
moderndarwin wrote:James Harden - showed he’s not superstar or tier 1 anymore.

Kevin Durant - legacy hit mainly that hes failed outside of GS

Duncan Robinson - went from looking at Korver type career to hoping he is able to stay in the league.

Bam - not being dominant or impactful against top flight defense. He’s young tho and redeemable.

Devin Booker - failed on the biggest stage but young enough to redeem in the future.

Giannis - had a chance to become legendary if he could drag that cast to the finals but couldn’t get it done.

Kyle Lowry - showing he’s on the wrong side of it now and the visible decline is clearly there. At best a role player now.

In that order.


Not sure what Giannis is doing on your list, considering he played amazing and was missing his second guy.


LOL...imagine being 27, putting up the 3rd highest PER season of all time and someone puts you on their list of players with "most decreased value"
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Re: 2022 Most Decreased Value 

Post#24 » by bearadonisdna » Sat May 28, 2022 10:24 pm

Lol at the Durant slander .
He is only 2nd team all nba haha .
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Post#25 » by bearadonisdna » Sat May 28, 2022 10:30 pm

The problem is that people put team team success directly at the stars players door.

Really only 1 superstar could transcend that narrative was Michael Jordan .

Now everytime a players years team just wasn’t good enough , people disparage the player.
Charles never 1 won title.
By todays standards it’s because he was bad superstar.
Shaq only won 4, all the other years he lost is because he was a failure of a superstar .

People act like players are indoctrinated for success , it’s a damn sport with the best elite players.
It’s such an entitled superficial group .
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Post#26 » by bearadonisdna » Sat May 28, 2022 10:34 pm

Also it’s the most beta argument to say GS diminishes KD.
If the bulls won a championship does that finish Jordan ? Or if spurs win , Dininish Duncan ?

It’s sour grapes through and through .
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Re: 2022 Most Decreased Value 

Post#27 » by Tim Kempton » Sat May 28, 2022 10:36 pm

Anthony Davis - Another year in which he played in less than half his team's games. Even when he did play, he looked like he clearly lost a step or two.

Donovan Mitchell - Probably going to get crap for this, but Utah has stagnated. People want to blame Gobert for not being able to guard five positions at once, saying he's been getting "exposed" because he's not able to cover guards on the perimeter, but the real stories are Utah's complete lack of defense outside of Rudy (headlined by Mitchell) and the fact that you can't win when it counts if Mitchell is your best offensive player. He's a volume shooter who can't do anything unless the ball is in his hands. He's able to lead average to above average teams offensively, but anyone who thought he was in that upper echelon of offensive prodigies should admit that he'd be best as a #2 on a championship contender.
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Re: 2022 Most Decreased Value 

Post#28 » by SF_Warriors » Sat May 28, 2022 10:37 pm

How about beal? Went from 31ppg to 23ppg..59% TS to 54%

Kyries value dropped significantly for me. He came out looking like a headcase and not a team player. And he had a terrible playoff performance to boot.
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Re: 2022 Most Decreased Value 

Post#29 » by barelyawake » Sat May 28, 2022 10:45 pm

SF_Warriors wrote:How about beal? Went from 31ppg to 23ppg..59% TS to 54%


He had Covid three times; played 40 games; started great and then Dinwiddie literally stopped playing for a dozen games to get traded (at which point the season was basically over and tanking was inevitable); grandmother died; hip and wrist injuries. I wouldn’t call it a typical year.
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Re: 2022 Most Decreased Value 

Post#30 » by thamadkant » Sat May 28, 2022 11:05 pm

facothomas22 wrote:James Harden- It's clear the 76ers made a poor decsion as soon as they traded for him. He doesn't have it anymore and even during his prime,he was knwon as a playoff choker. Now he's playoff choker who's agruably not even a star cailber player anymore.

Kevin Durant- Got swept in the 1st round,while also performing poorly vs the Celtics. Also desn't help when the Warriors made it back to the finals this season without him

Trae Young- Looked like a complete scrub vs the Heat. I didn't expect for him to be very efficent,however the shooting splits he had might be some of worse ever for someone for a star level player

Kyrie Irving- Not available for a huge chunk of the season and when he was was,often proved why he is best suited as a 2nd option. Also a poor series vs the Celtics outside of game 1,which lead to the Nets getting swept.

De'Andre Ayton- This could've been the season to show that he could be atleast a all star cailber player. But instead it appears he actually regressed. Add that up with a poor playoff series vs Dallas,there is no reason why the Phoenix should give him a Max at this point. They do need to gain meaningful assets back,so they need to do a sign and trade deal,which I think will happen.

Jaren Jackson Jr- Maybe a very unpopular pick,but he suffered a foul trouble in the playoffs this season and he also regressed on offense. Still has star potential,but the offense have to make improvements and need to keep the fouls down going forward.




Do you watch Ayton and look at his stats.
He actually improved this season. Look at his efficiencies and his scoring spots. He has improved a lot there. Only stat he went down is rebounds but it's mainly because Suns had him defending perimeter more so he doesn't camp under the ring.

Suns won 6 games out of 7 when Ayton got usage rate above 23%. And Suns were much more vulnerable and lost much more games when Ayton got less than 23% usage rate....
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Re: 2022 Most Decreased Value 

Post#31 » by tsherkin » Sat May 28, 2022 11:10 pm

NZB2323 wrote:From a legacy standpoint I think Durant has to be on that list. He had a 13.5 PER in this playoffs and the Warriors might win another title without him.


Hmm. What about Lebron v Boston or Kobe vs same? Did that really hurt their legacy? Did it not because they ultimately won? What about 07 Dirk?
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Re: 2022 Most Decreased Value 

Post#32 » by SF_Warriors » Sat May 28, 2022 11:29 pm

barelyawake wrote:
SF_Warriors wrote:How about beal? Went from 31ppg to 23ppg..59% TS to 54%


He had Covid three times; played 40 games; started great and then Dinwiddie literally stopped playing for a dozen games to get traded (at which point the season was basically over and tanking was inevitable); grandmother died; hip and wrist injuries. I wouldn’t call it a typical year.


Thanks for the info..hoping he can have a good 22/23 season
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Re: 2022 Most Decreased Value 

Post#33 » by Lost Angel » Sat May 28, 2022 11:36 pm

surprised AD is not on the list, he flopped big time. In the 40 or so games he actually played he didn’t even shoot the ball well

THT also decreased a lot
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Re: 2022 Most Decreased Value 

Post#34 » by BenoUdrihFTL » Sat May 28, 2022 11:39 pm

Udonis Haslem went from a generational 54.6 PER and 31.1 BPM in 2021 to a disastrous 8.6 PER and -7.1 BPM in 2022. There's literally never been a greater decline in NBA history
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Re: 2022 Most Decreased Value 

Post#35 » by Tacoma » Sun May 29, 2022 12:29 am

Lockdown504090 wrote:
iLLmatic860 wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:The warriors tanked and got wiggins in return and are playing against worse teams than what they faced 4 years ago.

I would kill Him more for this playoff performance, but this team was pretty dysfunctional, especially in comparison with what he did against what he did in the playoffs last year.

I think the bigger guy here is trae young. He struggled to be efficient against policy Philly due to size, then again with Miami as they also made him defend a lot. I’m curious to see how young adjusts his game next season.

Soo now they’re playing worse teams ? Lol funny because nobody had Warriors making finals beginning of the season

1. do preseason predictions determine how good a team is?
2. and do you disagree that the cavs and rockets are better than the teams theyve played this year? why create a strawman using narratives when we just watched them play 3 rounds in the playoffs and a whole regular season?


The strawman is bringing up the cavs & rockets and then arguing that they are better to support your case. Different opposition, different years and who's to say this year's GSW cannot beat them as well? They have nothing to do with it. You can only beat the opposition you actually play and the results.

And the result is GSW is in position to win its 2nd ring without Durant. Another data point in the argument that he was just an icing on the cake to those GSW teams and they may have still won without him, thus his value not as high to GS as first thought.
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Re: 2022 Most Decreased Value 

Post#36 » by UcanUwill » Sun May 29, 2022 5:29 am

Another guy not mentioned I think - Davis Bertans.

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Re: 2022 Most Decreased Value 

Post#37 » by Catchall » Sun May 29, 2022 5:37 am

Ben Simmons was a trainwreck. Refused to play, followed by anxiety issues and arguments over psychiatric evaluations, followed by back surgery.
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Re: 2022 Most Decreased Value 

Post#38 » by BoatsNZones » Sun May 29, 2022 6:05 am

Lockdown504090 wrote:
iLLmatic860 wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:The warriors tanked and got wiggins in return and are playing against worse teams than what they faced 4 years ago.

I would kill Him more for this playoff performance, but this team was pretty dysfunctional, especially in comparison with what he did against what he did in the playoffs last year.

I think the bigger guy here is trae young. He struggled to be efficient against policy Philly due to size, then again with Miami as they also made him defend a lot. I’m curious to see how young adjusts his game next season.

Soo now they’re playing worse teams ? Lol funny because nobody had Warriors making finals beginning of the season

1. do preseason predictions determine how good a team is?
2. and do you disagree that the cavs and rockets are better than the teams theyve played this year? why create a strawman using narratives when we just watched them play 3 rounds in the playoffs and a whole regular season?

Please tell me you are pretending you had Golden State in the Finals before the playoffs began. Link your posts if so.

Always funny watching narratives recreate themselves after the fact.
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Re: 2022 Most Decreased Value 

Post#39 » by kbitboc » Sun May 29, 2022 6:13 am

I never understand the Durant's slander post Golden State. The man suffered an achilles tear after the age of 30. How many players do you honestly think that can still play at the superstar level that Durant has after such an injury?
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Re: 2022 Most Decreased Value 

Post#40 » by FeatheryTouch » Sun May 29, 2022 6:31 am

moderndarwin wrote:James Harden - showed he’s not superstar or tier 1 anymore.

Kevin Durant - legacy hit mainly that hes failed outside of GS

Duncan Robinson - went from looking at Korver type career to hoping he is able to stay in the league.

Bam - not being dominant or impactful against top flight defense. He’s young tho and redeemable.

Devin Booker - failed on the biggest stage but young enough to redeem in the future.

Giannis - had a chance to become legendary if he could drag that cast to the finals but couldn’t get it done.

Kyle Lowry - showing he’s on the wrong side of it now and the visible decline is clearly there. At best a role player now.

In that order.


Lol, Giannis? Possibly the best player in the world Giannis? The just-entering-his-prime Giannis?

/facepalm

Posting priveleges revoked!

Other posters listing guys like Bertans and Haslem is also amusing, does going from bad player to a slightly worse bad player count? Their value was already really low.

Harden has had the biggest stock drop IMO, Daryl Morey is in a tough spot.

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