What would it take for you to put Curry on Duncan's all-time level?

[Bornstellar]

He won't. Tim has like 10 first team appearances compared to like 4 or something for Steph. Then there's the all defense. The all star appearances. The rings and finals MVPs. Steph won't ever eclipse Timmy

[WarriorGM]

Curry can't make up those defensive teams. Great offensive player and winner though.

Agreed. He will also never catch Duncan in all-star games or all-NBA teams.

Will Duncan ever match Curry in Magic Johnson Western Conference MVPs though?

[knuckles862]

I like the way this is worded more than alot of other questions. For me it would take 1 more mvp, fmvp, and 3 more all nba first teams

[WarriorGM]

He won't. Tim has like 10 first team appearances compared to like 4 or something for Steph. Then there's the all defense. The all star appearances. The rings and finals MVPs. Steph won't ever eclipse Timmy

What Steph lacks in quantity he makes up for in degree; whatever he gives up in defense he gets back on offense.

[Bornstellar]

He won't. Tim has like 10 first team appearances compared to like 4 or something for Steph. Then there's the all defense. The all star appearances. The rings and finals MVPs. Steph won't ever eclipse Timmy

What Steph lacks in quantity he makes up for in degree; whatever he gives up in defense he gets back on offense.

Not in an argument against Tim Duncan. Stephs a great player but he is not on Tim's level

[WarriorGM]

He won't. Tim has like 10 first team appearances compared to like 4 or something for Steph. Then there's the all defense. The all star appearances. The rings and finals MVPs. Steph won't ever eclipse Timmy

What Steph lacks in quantity he makes up for in degree; whatever he gives up in defense he gets back on offense.

Not in an argument against Tim Duncan. Stephs a great player but he is not on Tim's level

I'm unconvinced of that and I don't think there is data out there that predominantly says that.

[JujitsuFlip]

Duncan's accolades also dwarf Curry's accolades.
Duncan:
15 all-star games
15 All-NBA teams
15 All-NBA defensive teams
3 Finals MVPs
2 MVPS
5 titles

Curry:
8 All-star games
7 All-NBA teams
0-All NBA defensive teams
2 scoring titles
1 Finals MVP
2 MVP
4 titles

Yup just looked this up too, the bold is why Curry can never pass Duncan and quite frankly most of the best players all time. The greats are 2 way players, Curry is a hyper efficient 1 way player, that's just the way it is.

[Free Rider]

Duncan's accolades also dwarf Curry's accolades.
Duncan:
15 all-star games
15 All-NBA teams
15 All-NBA defensive teams
3 Finals MVPs
2 MVPS
5 titles

Curry:
8 All-star games
7 All-NBA teams
0-All NBA defensive teams
2 scoring titles
1 Finals MVP
2 MVP
4 titles

Yup just looked this up too, the bold is why Curry can never pass Duncan and quite frankly most of the best players all time. The greats are 2 way players, Curry is a hyper efficient 1 way player, that's just the way it is.

Agreed, this should be the final nail in the coffin for any argument that places Steph over Duncan. It’s perfectly reasonable to argue Steph should be a top ten player. I even understand the argument of putting him over guys like Kobe and Shaq even though I don’t agree with it. But Duncan to me is where the argument loses all credibility. Their careers might be somewhat comparable but Duncan was simply a better all around player.

[rtiff68]

Duncan's accolades also dwarf Curry's accolades.
Duncan:
15 all-star games
15 All-NBA teams
15 All-NBA defensive teams
3 Finals MVPs
2 MVPS
5 titles

Curry:
8 All-star games
7 All-NBA teams
0-All NBA defensive teams
2 scoring titles
1 Finals MVP
2 MVP
4 titles

Yup just looked this up too, the bold is why Curry can never pass Duncan and quite frankly most of the best players all time. The greats are 2 way players, Curry is a hyper efficient 1 way player, that's just the way it is.

Agreed, this should be the final nail in the coffin for any argument that places Steph over Duncan. It’s perfectly reasonable to argue Steph should be a top ten player. I even understand the argument of putting him over guys like Kobe and Shaq even though I don’t agree with it. But Duncan to me is where the argument loses all credibility. Their careers might be somewhat comparable but Duncan was simply a better all around player.

I am perfectly fine with saying Duncan was the better player than Curry, but I completely disagree with your reasoning.

Yes, Duncan was a better “all around player” than Curry. So are Paul George and Pascal Siakam. The thing is, basketball isn’t some equally weighted/distributed game where there are X number of categories and each category is worth Y, making the sum of said categories the player’s worth.

Being “better all around” doesn’t make you more impactful— or better in general.

I love Duncan, and like I said, I have no problem putting him over Curry, but Curry has been an offensive force that Duncan couldn’t ever dream of being, and that makes up a lot of ground when discussing their overall impact/ranking.

[kobyz]

Steph is somewhat of a system player, you can't put him in conversation with Timmy

[Bobbymcgee]

The Durant years are a stain on Steph's career and always will be.

[WarriorGM]

The Durant years are a stain on Steph's career and always will be.

Who knew being on the best NBA team of all-team drops you in all-time discussions?

[MrBigShot]

Nothing. Timmy was a spectacular offensive player while simultaneously being a DPOY level defender.

[HMFFL]

Curry is much shorter than the all time great in the top 10 so he's facing another uphill battle. Many NBA fans believe Steph has already reached his ceiling in the rankings. The shorter talents are always facing an uphill battle in the discussion.

Steph has plenty of time to continue to have success and win multiple NBA Finals. Golden State has elite everything, from the front office, to the their talent, arena, and everything associated with them.

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[a8bil]

Curry's peak is above even many of the ATG players. And, those who note that he has not had the sustained excellence of other ATG players, are also correct.

Let's not forget, however, that Curry was the first and only unanimous MVP in league history. In a time when Lebron, Durant, Harden, Westbrook, AD, Kawhi and CP3 were approaching or in the peak of their careers, Curry took every vote. That means something. His peak was unlike anything the league has seen...the titles earned over a relatively short career only affirm his excellence and impact. He's an ATG.

Also think of this...at .694, Curry's career playoff winning percentage is higher than every other ATG player in the league, some by over 10 pts. That may go down in time, but he has led absolutely dominant teams.

[DoctorX]

Curry's peak is above even many of the ATG players. And, those who note that he has not had the sustained excellence of other ATG players, are also correct.

Let's not forget, however, that Curry was the first and only unanimous MVP in league history. In a time when Lebron, Durant, Harden, Westbrook, AD, Kawhi and CP3 were approaching or in the peak of their careers, Curry took every vote. That means something. His peak was unlike anything the league has seen...the titles earned over a relatively short career only affirm his excellence and impact. He's an ATG.

Also think of this...at .694, Curry's career playoff winning percentage is higher than every other ATG player in the league, some by over 10 pts. That may go down in time, but he has led absolutely dominant teams.

Well yeah playing with another MVP player in Durant will definitely allow you to have a high playoff winning percentage.

[a8bil]

The Durant years are a stain on Steph's career and always will be.

Why? They were just as dominant as you would expect them to be. if they got together and sucked...say like Lebron's and Durant's recent "super teams" I could see the argument, but not when they meet expectations.

[a8bil]

Curry's peak is above even many of the ATG players. And, those who note that he has not had the sustained excellence of other ATG players, are also correct.

Let's not forget, however, that Curry was the first and only unanimous MVP in league history. In a time when Lebron, Durant, Harden, Westbrook, AD, Kawhi and CP3 were approaching or in the peak of their careers, Curry took every vote. That means something. His peak was unlike anything the league has seen...the titles earned over a relatively short career only affirm his excellence and impact. He's an ATG.

Also think of this...at .694, Curry's career playoff winning percentage is higher than every other ATG player in the league, some by over 10 pts. That may go down in time, but he has led absolutely dominant teams.

Well yeah playing with another MVP player in Durant will definitely allow you to have a high playoff winning percentage.

You say that as if Jordan didn't have Pippen, Duncan didn't have Kawhi or Robinson, Magic didn't have KAJ or Worthy, Bird didn't have McHale or Parrish, Lebron didn't have Wade/Bosh, or Shaq didn't have kobe and vice versa. Almost all of them have had a 1a/1b core that led to championships.

[DoctorX]

Curry's peak is above even many of the ATG players. And, those who note that he has not had the sustained excellence of other ATG players, are also correct.

Let's not forget, however, that Curry was the first and only unanimous MVP in league history. In a time when Lebron, Durant, Harden, Westbrook, AD, Kawhi and CP3 were approaching or in the peak of their careers, Curry took every vote. That means something. His peak was unlike anything the league has seen...the titles earned over a relatively short career only affirm his excellence and impact. He's an ATG.

Also think of this...at .694, Curry's career playoff winning percentage is higher than every other ATG player in the league, some by over 10 pts. That may go down in time, but he has led absolutely dominant teams.

Well yeah playing with another MVP player in Durant will definitely allow you to have a high playoff winning percentage.

You say that as if Jordan didn't have Pippen, Duncan didn't have Kawhi or Robinson, Magic didn't have KAJ or Worthy, Bird didn't have McHale or Parrish, Lebron didn't have Wade/Bosh, or Shaq didn't have kobe and vice versa. Almost all of them have had a 1a/1b core that led to championships.

Mchale or Parish were never a top 3 player in the league. Durant was. Wade and Bosh also were never a top 3 player while playing with Lebron. Then you add Klay to the mix who was probably a top 20 player which makes Curry-Klay-Durant trio immensely more powerful than Bird-Mchale-Parish, Kaj-Worthy-Magic.

KD and Curry got join up at the age of 29 when both were in their exact primes. I can't recall a time in league history where two guys got join up in their primes that were top 3 players in the league. They took advantage of it and that's why the Warriors playoff record from '17-'19 with wins-loses is very skewed. Warriors had a 36-8 playoff record with Curry and Durant. Imagine what the Bucks could do if they had Giannis-Doncic playing together and got to keep their whole entire team together with Jrue, Middleton, Lopez, Portis for the next 3 years. I'm pretty sure they would have a lopsided playoff record similar to what the Warriors had with Curry and Durant. That would be the equivalent of what the Warriors had from '17-'19 with Curry and Durant.

[G R E Y]

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I really like Steph and am happy for him, but lest there be any confusion these should be enough to clarify Timmy's status.