Becky Hammon Has The Aces at WNBA-Best 13-3 — How Long Until She Leads NBA Team?

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Re: Becky Hammon Has The Aces at WNBA-Best 13-3 — How Long Until She Leads NBA Team? 

Post#21 » by lambchop » Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:05 am

Best2EverDoIt wrote:Just my opinion but I don't see it ever happening.

The definition of what a woman is is changing. Therefore, it will definitely happen at some point.
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Post#22 » by LAL1947 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:06 am

Why haven't the previous 5 winners of WNBA Coach Of The Year all been given NBA head coaching jobs? :confused:
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Post#23 » by Jonny Blaze » Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:09 am

Free Rider wrote:She probably should have already been hired as an NBA coach especially when you see how guys like Mark Jackson, Derick Fisher and Steve Nash have been given opportunities with no prior coaching experience. Generally I really wish an owner or GM would have enough guts to give a female coach a chance rather than going through the same coaching retreads we keep seeing over and over again. I think there's so much coaching talent being left on the table because teams aren't willing to even consider a woman in that position.

And it's not just coaching either, there's no reason why we shouldn't have at least one female GM by now. If you're Charlotte why not at least interview someone like Dawn Staley, instead of automatically going back to the same coaching carousel of D'Antoni and Stotts. Sue Bird is about to retire from the WNBA after having one of the most impressive careers of any basketball player, male or female. If I were coaching a team right now I would at least reach out to her to see if she's interested on coming aboard as an assistant. I guarantee you there's a ton of great coaches to be found if these teams would stop being so myopic.


I can tell you the reason why it hasn't happened....but my answer is not PC.

I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
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Post#24 » by Jonny Blaze » Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:11 am

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Sprewell4Three wrote:Why are people so intent on giving her a coaching position in the NBA? Kind of strange seeing a woman being a head coach of a team full of grown men. Just going to open up a bunch of problems in the long run. I can only imagine a player going back and forth with her and the media jumping on him because he’s not respecting a woman. That’s usually how these things end. She should stay in the WNBA where she won’t see those problems.


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LOL this whole thing could be said about minorities in head coaching positions back in the day. Jackie Robinson should have stayed in the negro league where he won't see those problems.

You people need to grow up a bit and get with the times.


This is bad strawman. Race and Gender are not the same thing.

Very similar strawman to how people try and relate Gay Issues to the issue that African Americans have historically faced in this country.
They are two very different arguments.
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Post#25 » by KGtabake » Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:14 am

She won't do it because we're not ready yet.
Some day a woman will but i don't know if it's gonna be her.
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Post#26 » by Doctor MJ » Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:39 am

Free Rider wrote:She probably should have already been hired as an NBA coach especially when you see how guys like Mark Jackson, Derick Fisher and Steve Nash have been given opportunities with no prior coaching experience. Generally I really wish an owner or GM would have enough guts to give a female coach a chance rather than going through the same coaching retreads we keep seeing over and over again. I think there's so much coaching talent being left on the table because teams aren't willing to even consider a woman in that position.

And it's not just coaching either, there's no reason why we shouldn't have at least one female GM by now. If you're Charlotte why not at least interview someone like Dawn Staley, instead of automatically going back to the same coaching carousel of D'Antoni and Stotts. Sue Bird is about to retire from the WNBA after having one of the most impressive careers of any basketball player, male or female. If I were coaching a team right now I would at least reach out to her to see if she's interested on coming aboard as an assistant. I guarantee you there's a ton of great coaches to be found if these teams would stop being so myopic.


I gave the And-1, but wouldn't quite sign off on everything here.

Fisher got hired as a coach because his old coach (Phil) chose him. Given how Fisher's coaching career has turned out to this point, he clearly needed to rise up the ranks, but when something like this happens, things like gender and race are going to go out the window.

Nash had experience on the Golden State Warriors...which is where he first started working with KD. While it's true that Nash didn't spend years working his way up the ranks, and that may have been a good reason not to want him as your coach...it's also clear that simply knowing what you're doing as a coach isn't going to make KD, Kyrie & Harden listen to you.

Re: Coaching carousel...D'Antoni. While I'm with you that many on said carousel shouldn't get more jobs because we've seen the limits to their imagination, the 21st century is effectively defined by D'Antoni's imagination. He's not the man for all jobs, but if you want someone to figure out how to super-charge your offense, and you have players who are willing to listen, the only reason not to consider D'Antoni is if you just think his body will give out.
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Re: Becky Hammon Has The Aces at WNBA-Best 13-3 — How Long Until She Leads NBA Team? 

Post#27 » by Doctor MJ » Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:45 am

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BigGargamel wrote:
Sprewell4Three wrote:Why are people so intent on giving her a coaching position in the NBA? Kind of strange seeing a woman being a head coach of a team full of grown men. Just going to open up a bunch of problems in the long run. I can only imagine a player going back and forth with her and the media jumping on him because he’s not respecting a woman. That’s usually how these things end. She should stay in the WNBA where she won’t see those problems.


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LOL this whole thing could be said about minorities in head coaching positions back in the day. Jackie Robinson should have stayed in the negro league where he won't see those problems.

You people need to grow up a bit and get with the times.


This is bad strawman. Race and Gender are not the same thing.

Very similar strawman to how people try and relate Gay Issues to the issue that African Americans have historically faced in this country.
They are two very different arguments.


Different, but not really that different:

"Black men shouldn't coach basketball because we (the white men in charge) don't believe they understand basketball well enough to coach it."

"Women shouldn't coach men's basketball because they (the male players) won't believe they understand men's basketball well enough to coach it."
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Post#28 » by Free Rider » Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:49 am

Jonny Blaze wrote:
Free Rider wrote:She probably should have already been hired as an NBA coach especially when you see how guys like Mark Jackson, Derick Fisher and Steve Nash have been given opportunities with no prior coaching experience. Generally I really wish an owner or GM would have enough guts to give a female coach a chance rather than going through the same coaching retreads we keep seeing over and over again. I think there's so much coaching talent being left on the table because teams aren't willing to even consider a woman in that position.

And it's not just coaching either, there's no reason why we shouldn't have at least one female GM by now. If you're Charlotte why not at least interview someone like Dawn Staley, instead of automatically going back to the same coaching carousel of D'Antoni and Stotts. Sue Bird is about to retire from the WNBA after having one of the most impressive careers of any basketball player, male or female. If I were coaching a team right now I would at least reach out to her to see if she's interested on coming aboard as an assistant. I guarantee you there's a ton of great coaches to be found if these teams would stop being so myopic.


I can tell you the reason why it hasn't happened....but my answer is not PC.

I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.


Honestly I think the biggest fear some people have about female coaches is that it might actually work and that we find out male coaches aren't really that much better or worse than female coaches. I'm old enough to remember all the pearl clutching about women in the military serving in combat roles and ultimately when it happened it wasn't a big deal. Same thing is likely gonna happen with coaching; they'll be all this angst and controversy only to find out that it's probably just fine. Some of them will be great, others will be horrible, and most of them will be part of that mediocre middle, just like the guys.
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Post#29 » by Tempe » Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:57 am

Why are ppl so obsessed with pushing this woke narrative about getting Becky Hammond a head coaching gig


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Post#30 » by Jfh20 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:00 am

Tempe wrote:Why are ppl so obsessed with pushing this woke narrative about getting Becky Hammond a head coaching gig


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no clue, but have to admit it is really annoying. why do we need a female head coach?
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Post#31 » by CS707 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:04 am

The average NBA fan could not care less if a team hires a female HC. Either way. We just don’t care.
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Post#32 » by SecondTake » Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:05 am

No contender is going to hire a female coach. A bottom feeder might but they'll be taking a big risk, and not sure she would want to coach a bottom team anyway

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Post#33 » by Free Rider » Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:06 am

Doctor MJ wrote:
Free Rider wrote:She probably should have already been hired as an NBA coach especially when you see how guys like Mark Jackson, Derick Fisher and Steve Nash have been given opportunities with no prior coaching experience. Generally I really wish an owner or GM would have enough guts to give a female coach a chance rather than going through the same coaching retreads we keep seeing over and over again. I think there's so much coaching talent being left on the table because teams aren't willing to even consider a woman in that position.

And it's not just coaching either, there's no reason why we shouldn't have at least one female GM by now. If you're Charlotte why not at least interview someone like Dawn Staley, instead of automatically going back to the same coaching carousel of D'Antoni and Stotts. Sue Bird is about to retire from the WNBA after having one of the most impressive careers of any basketball player, male or female. If I were coaching a team right now I would at least reach out to her to see if she's interested on coming aboard as an assistant. I guarantee you there's a ton of great coaches to be found if these teams would stop being so myopic.


I gave the And-1, but wouldn't quite sign off on everything here.

Fisher got hired as a coach because his old coach (Phil) chose him. Given how Fisher's coaching career has turned out to this point, he clearly needed to rise up the ranks, but when something like this happens, things like gender and race are going to go out the window.

Nash had experience on the Golden State Warriors...which is where he first started working with KD. While it's true that Nash didn't spend years working his way up the ranks, and that may have been a good reason not to want him as your coach...it's also clear that simply knowing what you're doing as a coach isn't going to make KD, Kyrie & Harden listen to you.

Re: Coaching carousel...D'Antoni. While I'm with you that many on said carousel shouldn't get more jobs because we've seen the limits to their imagination, the 21st century is effectively defined by D'Antoni's imagination. He's not the man for all jobs, but if you want someone to figure out how to super-charge your offense, and you have players who are willing to listen, the only reason not to consider D'Antoni is if you just think his body will give out.


I'd argue that what you said about Fisher highlights why someone like Hammon is more deserving now. He may ultimately turn out to be a good coach but at the time he clearly got his Knicks coaching job primarily if not exclusively because of his connections to Phil as one of his former players, an advantage that Hammon and many other female coaches will never have. Hammon has put time in as an assistant over several years and had done the work to rise up the ranks, while garnering a lot of praise from fellow coaches and players, yet was barely considered for any head coaching jobs.

As for the coaching carousel, I don't dispute that some of those coaches are actually pretty good. My argument is that given the likely wealth of talent elsewhere can we at least start considering some other names. If ultimately you land back on a guy like D'Antoni or Gentry because you think they work best so be it, but we should at least get some other names in the running. Thankfully I do think with more recent hires like Green, Udoka, and Ham you're really starting to see that change but I'd personally like to see a few women at least get a chance to interview.
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Post#34 » by Doctor MJ » Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:10 am

Free Rider wrote:
Doctor MJ wrote:
Free Rider wrote:She probably should have already been hired as an NBA coach especially when you see how guys like Mark Jackson, Derick Fisher and Steve Nash have been given opportunities with no prior coaching experience. Generally I really wish an owner or GM would have enough guts to give a female coach a chance rather than going through the same coaching retreads we keep seeing over and over again. I think there's so much coaching talent being left on the table because teams aren't willing to even consider a woman in that position.

And it's not just coaching either, there's no reason why we shouldn't have at least one female GM by now. If you're Charlotte why not at least interview someone like Dawn Staley, instead of automatically going back to the same coaching carousel of D'Antoni and Stotts. Sue Bird is about to retire from the WNBA after having one of the most impressive careers of any basketball player, male or female. If I were coaching a team right now I would at least reach out to her to see if she's interested on coming aboard as an assistant. I guarantee you there's a ton of great coaches to be found if these teams would stop being so myopic.


I gave the And-1, but wouldn't quite sign off on everything here.

Fisher got hired as a coach because his old coach (Phil) chose him. Given how Fisher's coaching career has turned out to this point, he clearly needed to rise up the ranks, but when something like this happens, things like gender and race are going to go out the window.

Nash had experience on the Golden State Warriors...which is where he first started working with KD. While it's true that Nash didn't spend years working his way up the ranks, and that may have been a good reason not to want him as your coach...it's also clear that simply knowing what you're doing as a coach isn't going to make KD, Kyrie & Harden listen to you.

Re: Coaching carousel...D'Antoni. While I'm with you that many on said carousel shouldn't get more jobs because we've seen the limits to their imagination, the 21st century is effectively defined by D'Antoni's imagination. He's not the man for all jobs, but if you want someone to figure out how to super-charge your offense, and you have players who are willing to listen, the only reason not to consider D'Antoni is if you just think his body will give out.


I'd argue that what you said about Fisher highlights why someone like Hammon is more deserving now. He may ultimately turn out to be a good coach but at the time he clearly got his Knicks coaching job primarily if not exclusively because of his connections to Phil as one of his former players, an advantage that Hammon and many other female coaches will never have. Hammon has put time in as an assistant over several years and had done the work to rise up the ranks, while garnering a lot of praise from fellow coaches and players, yet was barely considered for any head coaching jobs.

As for the coaching carousel, I don't dispute that some of those coaches are actually pretty good. My argument is that given the likely wealth of talent elsewhere can we at least start considering some other names. If ultimately you land back on a guy like D'Antoni or Gentry because you think they work best so be it, but we should at least get some other names in the running. Thankfully I do think with more recent hires like Green, Udoka, and Ham you're really starting to see that change but I'd personally like to see a few women at least get a chance to interview.


All reasonable points, but I'll say:

Gentry's greatest accomplishment as head coach was getting promoted to head coach and being told "Eh, just go back to D'Antoni ball" after the guy they replaced D'Antoni with flamed out. These are not analogous coaches.
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Post#35 » by Doctor MJ » Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:37 am

Jfh20 wrote:
Tempe wrote:Why are ppl so obsessed with pushing this woke narrative about getting Becky Hammond a head coaching gig


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no clue, but have to admit it is really annoying. why do we need a female head coach?


Can't help but think :wink:

"I don't really see us having a head coach...You know what I mean? KD could be a head coach. I could be a head coach."

I'm with you that there shouldn't be a female head coach just do to it. In the end, each organization does what they think will work best for them.

The question is more: If a woman is the smartest coach in the room, why do we need a male head coach?

And if there is an answer other than "We don't", then what we're talking about is hiring dumber coaches because the players won't listen to someone smarter unless that person looks like how they want him to look. And, well, that's embarrassing like that quote is embarrassing.

The reality is that in general I believe that the coaching in the NBA is a lot smarter than in the WNBA to be clear, so there's no particular reason why the WNBA should be mined by the WNBA...but I want the NBA's coaches to be the smartest basketball minds on the planet, and if one pops up that happens to be female, it's a loss for the NBA if they don't snap'em up.

Not saying Hammon represents that, but just in principle, when you can hire the best of the best, you should.
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Post#36 » by Jonny Blaze » Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:44 am

Doctor MJ wrote:
Jonny Blaze wrote:
BigGargamel wrote:
LOL this whole thing could be said about minorities in head coaching positions back in the day. Jackie Robinson should have stayed in the negro league where he won't see those problems.

You people need to grow up a bit and get with the times.


This is bad strawman. Race and Gender are not the same thing.

Very similar strawman to how people try and relate Gay Issues to the issue that African Americans have historically faced in this country.
They are two very different arguments.


Different, but not really that different:

"Black men shouldn't coach basketball because we (the white men in charge) don't believe they understand basketball well enough to coach it."

"Women shouldn't coach men's basketball because they (the male players) won't believe they understand men's basketball well enough to coach it."



No. They are two very different things and arguments.
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Post#37 » by Jonny Blaze » Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:48 am

Free Rider wrote:
Jonny Blaze wrote:
Free Rider wrote:She probably should have already been hired as an NBA coach especially when you see how guys like Mark Jackson, Derick Fisher and Steve Nash have been given opportunities with no prior coaching experience. Generally I really wish an owner or GM would have enough guts to give a female coach a chance rather than going through the same coaching retreads we keep seeing over and over again. I think there's so much coaching talent being left on the table because teams aren't willing to even consider a woman in that position.

And it's not just coaching either, there's no reason why we shouldn't have at least one female GM by now. If you're Charlotte why not at least interview someone like Dawn Staley, instead of automatically going back to the same coaching carousel of D'Antoni and Stotts. Sue Bird is about to retire from the WNBA after having one of the most impressive careers of any basketball player, male or female. If I were coaching a team right now I would at least reach out to her to see if she's interested on coming aboard as an assistant. I guarantee you there's a ton of great coaches to be found if these teams would stop being so myopic.


I can tell you the reason why it hasn't happened....but my answer is not PC.

I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.


Honestly I think the biggest fear some people have about female coaches is that it might actually work and that we find out male coaches aren't really that much better or worse than female coaches. I'm old enough to remember all the pearl clutching about women in the military serving in combat roles and ultimately when it happened it wasn't a big deal. Same thing is likely gonna happen with coaching; they'll be all this angst and controversy only to find out that it's probably just fine. Some of them will be great, others will be horrible, and most of them will be part of that mediocre middle, just like the guys.


Why is there is such a push for a woman to coach an NBA team?

I don't see people pushing a woman to coach an NHL, NFL or MLB team?

The deep answer is that America historically does not respect black men. There are certain people in America that would love to see a (white) woman administering and coaching a bunch of black men.


America does not really like to see African American men in positions of leadership. I don't see what makes Hammon qualified to coach anything except a college womens team or the WNBA.

The idea that she is more qualified than a man because she has a vagina is insulting.
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Post#38 » by HMFFL » Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:51 am

Best2EverDoIt wrote:Just my opinion but I don't see it ever happening.
Have you not been following how doors are opening for women in the league lately? I believe it's expected that Becky will be a head coach in the NBA sooner than later.

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Post#39 » by Lockdown504090 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:55 am

LAL1947 wrote:Why haven't the previous 5 winners of WNBA Coach Of The Year all been given NBA head coaching jobs? :confused:

they lacked nba coaching experience, which she has over 5 years of if im not mistaken.
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Post#40 » by tonyreyes123 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:56 am

What’s so special about her that she deserves a NBA gig but ACTUAL NBA players that have been assistant coaches for 5-10 years can’t get one?
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