Whos the GOAT franchise?

[Jfh20]

Some of y'all aren't reading the OP, which asks which franchises have been best since 1990. The thread title is misleading, though, since 'GOAT' and 'greatest of the last 32 years' aren't the same.

1.) Bulls (amazing that they're #1 entirely for their work during the first 25% of the period in question)
2.) Spurs
3.) Lakers (Spurs get the edge over the Lakers for being an uninterrupted dynasty [in my opinion-- I know, I know, some of y'all disagree])
4.) Warriors (they get love on the back end of the period in question just like the Bulls do on the front end)
5.) Heat

Just for fun, my all-time ranking:

1.) Lakers
2.) Celtics
3.) Bulls
4.) Spurs
5.) Warriors

im ok with puttin lakers at #1, they have tons of success in the modern era, but why the celtics? they won 1 title... and have been on the losing ends almost always.

The second list is my all-time list; the first list is my 'best since 1990' list.

ya i dont rly care too much for all time because the competition back than wasnt wat it was today. basically, my list i consider all time, just dont like including anything below the 90s. hect my heat werent even in the nba yet.

[formula 400]

We all hate to admit it but it's the Lakers. They are the face of the league and have the strongest brand in the NBA. They were irrelevant for years, posting losing records for multiple seasons, and still managed to sign Lebron James. All NBA media completely revolves around them. Tied for most championships. Relevant in pretty much every era. Not even close IMO even with the Celtics matching their ring total, Bulls 90's run, Spurs longevity, and the Warriors recent success.

and they won the chip out of nowhere when many teams looked legit. i was pissed but thats what they do. it doesnt matter how long theyre down, they keep getting back up.

[NyKnicks1714]

Easily the Bulls. Cows are the the most closely related to goats. Milwaukee is second. Minnesota and Memphis are effectively tied for third. Then you have the people-teams: Celtics, 76ers, Knicks, Cavaliers, Warriors, Mavericks, Kings, Trailblazers. Are Wizards in this group? Tough to say really but I'm inclined to think yes. Then the Pelicans and Raptors. Then the Hornets.

The rest of the teams are named for inanimate objects, types of energy, or supernatural concepts, so obviously not in the discussion.

[SNPA]

Warriors were one of the absolute worst franchises for basically 20+ years of this 30 year period. Yes, success lately but they looked like the Kings for decades...

Hey! What the hell, screw…

…Oh. Yeah.

Ok.

Right.

-Kings fans

[SpreeS]

Teams played in Finals

LAL 32
BOS 22
GSW 12
PHI 9
NY 8
DET 7
CHI 6
MIA 6
SAN 6

[Franco]

the reason i put chicago as da goat is because of the 90s runs... no team, and i mean even the lakeshow, has been able to replicate wat the bulls were able to accomplish. the 90s bulls was the greatest dynasty the nba has ever seen and wat they accomplished no team can come close to it.ya i kno there irrrelevant in todays nba, but if we are including the 90s they are at top.

The Celtics won more titles in a row than the Bulls won in total. Slow down there fella.

[Jfh20]

the reason i put chicago as da goat is because of the 90s runs... no team, and i mean even the lakeshow, has been able to replicate wat the bulls were able to accomplish. the 90s bulls was the greatest dynasty the nba has ever seen and wat they accomplished no team can come close to it.ya i kno there irrrelevant in todays nba, but if we are including the 90s they are at top.

The Celtics won more titles in a row than the Bulls won in total. Slow down there fella.

ya in an era where there was like 8 teams in the da league. joke

[Pennebaker]

seriously we always debate whos goat but this one is more interesting and different... i was thinking this today... in international football, brazil has dominated football and won the most world cups in history... but in the nba, its more complicated to measure this feat cuz the nba only had 8 teams in the past so i think you'd have to measure it from 1990 to 2022....who is the goat franchise?? gime your top 5, in order with 1 being the greatest.

5-miami heat - under wade, the heat managed to win 3x title in the modern era.
4-San Antonio Spurs - under duncan the spurs dominated the modern era and have been one of the most successfull franchises in the nba.
3- Golden State warriors - the curry era has been nice, and made its mark on the league. i put them at #3.
2- L.A lakers - the lakeshow with kobe has been gets the spot at #2. there the closest to the bulls.
1- Chicago Bulls - Despite being completely irrelevant lately, there my goat franchise and has the most impressive feat the nba has seen. Jordan and the Bulls are da goats.

i wish i could put lebrons cavs here, but he only managed to win 1 title with a superteam... oh well

Forget about the Cavs. LeBron himself is the GOAT franchise.

[Jfh20]

seriously we always debate whos goat but this one is more interesting and different... i was thinking this today... in international football, brazil has dominated football and won the most world cups in history... but in the nba, its more complicated to measure this feat cuz the nba only had 8 teams in the past so i think you'd have to measure it from 1990 to 2022....who is the goat franchise?? gime your top 5, in order with 1 being the greatest.

5-miami heat - under wade, the heat managed to win 3x title in the modern era.
4-San Antonio Spurs - under duncan the spurs dominated the modern era and have been one of the most successfull franchises in the nba.
3- Golden State warriors - the curry era has been nice, and made its mark on the league. i put them at #3.
2- L.A lakers - the lakeshow with kobe has been gets the spot at #2. there the closest to the bulls.
1- Chicago Bulls - Despite being completely irrelevant lately, there my goat franchise and has the most impressive feat the nba has seen. Jordan and the Bulls are da goats.

i wish i could put lebrons cavs here, but he only managed to win 1 title with a superteam... oh well

Forget about the Cavs. LeBron himself is the GOAT franchise.

lol this is not wat this thread is about. take your lebron fanaticism to a lebron thread bud. this was a thread to discuss the goat franchise, and from seeing many posts on here the Chicago Bulls remains The goat franchise. some ppl think lakers, others warriors, but im sticking with the bulls.

[Pennebaker]

seriously we always debate whos goat but this one is more interesting and different... i was thinking this today... in international football, brazil has dominated football and won the most world cups in history... but in the nba, its more complicated to measure this feat cuz the nba only had 8 teams in the past so i think you'd have to measure it from 1990 to 2022....who is the goat franchise?? gime your top 5, in order with 1 being the greatest.

5-miami heat - under wade, the heat managed to win 3x title in the modern era.
4-San Antonio Spurs - under duncan the spurs dominated the modern era and have been one of the most successfull franchises in the nba.
3- Golden State warriors - the curry era has been nice, and made its mark on the league. i put them at #3.
2- L.A lakers - the lakeshow with kobe has been gets the spot at #2. there the closest to the bulls.
1- Chicago Bulls - Despite being completely irrelevant lately, there my goat franchise and has the most impressive feat the nba has seen. Jordan and the Bulls are da goats.

i wish i could put lebrons cavs here, but he only managed to win 1 title with a superteam... oh well

Forget about the Cavs. LeBron himself is the GOAT franchise.

lol this is not wat this thread is about. take your lebron fanaticism to a lebron thread bud. this was a thread to discuss the goat franchise, and from seeing many posts on here the Chicago Bulls remains The goat franchise. some ppl think lakers, others warriors, but im sticking with the bulls.

LeBron is a one man franchise. He is a traveling franchise. It is not even hyperbole to say that the Heat, Cavs and Lakers owe their most recent titles to him.

The only franchise that can match his accomplishments are something like like the 1960s Celtics or great franchises from that era. The 90s Bulls played in the expansion era where talent was diluted across the league so their competition was weak and you are likely overvaluing them due to nostalgia.

[GregOden]

Id say the Spurs and the Mavericks from a shareholder perspective. Theyve been incredibly competitive while also keeping salaries low.

[Jfh20]

Id say the Spurs and the Mavericks from a shareholder perspective. Theyve been incredibly competitive while also keeping salaries low.

the spurs are for sure top 5... could of been top 2 had they not lost to the heat.

[Jfh20]

Forget about the Cavs. LeBron himself is the GOAT franchise.

lol this is not wat this thread is about. take your lebron fanaticism to a lebron thread bud. this was a thread to discuss the goat franchise, and from seeing many posts on here the Chicago Bulls remains The goat franchise. some ppl think lakers, others warriors, but im sticking with the bulls.

LeBron is a one man franchise. He is a traveling franchise. It is not even hyperbole to say that the Heat, Cavs and Lakers owe their most recent titles to him.

The only franchise that can match his accomplishments are something like like the 1960s Celtics or great franchises from that era. The 90s Bulls played in the expansion era where talent was diluted across the league so their competition was weak and you are likely overvaluing them due to nostalgia.

what a ridiculous post. completely off topic and filled with garbage bs. lebron owes his titles to ray allen and Dwade and the miami heat organization. He also owes many thanks to Kyrie Irving who closed the show for him against GSW when he could not. And as for the bubble title you just refered too, lul.. that title was a joke... an injured miami team, in the bubble with no fans? oh wee congrats, not impressed.

[jc23]

When you think of the NBA you think Lakers.

[Raps in 4]

Spurs. Small market team that was somehow elite for 2 3 decades. No other franchise comes close. If Kawhi wasn't a bitch, they would have been elite for another decade.

The Lakers were never well run. Their success has always come from elite free agents signing there and players demanding trades there. Their success is entirely a product of playing in Los Angeles.

Other historically successful teams like Chicago and Golden State caught lightning in a bottle (MJ and Curry) and rode them to brief successes but were irrelevant before and after that.

Miami, although well run, won all 3 of their titles because Shaq demanded a trade there and then Lebron signed there. Like LA, they're an incredibly desirable city to play in due to the weather and lifestyle.

[GregOden]

Spurs. Small market team that was somehow elite for 2 decades. No other franchise comes close. If Kawhi wasn't a bitch, they would have been elite for another decade.

The Lakers were never well run. Their success has always come from elite free agents signing there and players demanding trades there. Their success is entirely a product of playing in Los Angeles.

Other historically successful teams like Chicago and Golden State caught lightning in a bottle (MJ and Curry) and rode them to brief successes but were irrelevant before and after that.

Miami, although well run, won all 3 of their titles because Shaq demanded a trade there and then Lebron signed there. Like LA, they're an incredibly desirable city to play in due to the weather and lifestyle.

Mavericks are closest to the Spurs. Not in titles but they are a small market team and have the #2 RS winning percentage in the last 25 years. #1 is the Spurs.

[Franco]

the reason i put chicago as da goat is because of the 90s runs... no team, and i mean even the lakeshow, has been able to replicate wat the bulls were able to accomplish. the 90s bulls was the greatest dynasty the nba has ever seen and wat they accomplished no team can come close to it.ya i kno there irrrelevant in todays nba, but if we are including the 90s they are at top.

The Celtics won more titles in a row than the Bulls won in total. Slow down there fella.

ya in an era where there was like 8 teams in the da league. joke

There is no compensating for the fact that winning 11 titles (and 8 in a row) is more impressive than winning 6 in 8 years. Cry about it.

[LAL1947]

but in the nba, its more complicated to measure this feat cuz the nba only had 8 teams in the past so i think you'd have to measure it from 1990 to 2022....who is the goat franchise?? gime your top 5, in order with 1 being the greatest.

The fairest way to look at this IMO is...

- Lakers are the GOAT franchise (most consistently competitive through the eras: 32 finals, 17 rings).
- Celtics are the GOAT team (11 titles in 13 years).
- Jordan is the GOAT player.

My Top 5 franchises are: Lakers, Celtics, Spurs, Bulls and GSW.

Btw, why do we have to measure it only from 1990-2022... I mean, why is 1990 the cutoff and not 1976 or 1980? Below is the number of teams in the league as the years went by.

Years / No. of teams
1946–1947 11
1947–1948 8
1948–1949 12
1949–1950 17
1950–1951 11
1951–1953 10
1953–1955 9
1955–1961 8
1961–1966 9
1966–1967 10
1967–1968 12
1968–1970 14
1970–1974 17
1974–1976 18
1976–1980 22
1980–1988 23
1988–1989 25
1989–1995 27
1995–2004 29
2004–present 30

[styLesdavis]

I don`t get the "but there were less teams" argument.

Think about it. IF there would we about 16 teams RIGHT NOW in the NBA the talent level on each team would be insane.
We wouldn`t talk about "big threes" but about "big starting fives" or more. Each game would be incredibly hard to win.
You would have to face several (ex-) all stars night in night out.

If you are talking "goat franchise" you simply have to talk about the complete history and then it becomes
a discussion betwenn the Celtics and Lakers.

[Marcus_Shart]

I'm not comfortable making a top 5 as I don't feel like looking up the numbers at the moment, but I feel pretty good about having the Lakers and Spurs as my top 2, and the Bulls outside my top 3. I value sustained success over periods of dominance especially in cases like the Bulls where ALL of their success is tied to the same top 2 players. By success I mean deep playoff runs 2nd round and on. The Bulls have been a complete non factor for their entire existence sans the Jordan/Pippen/ era so I just can't justify ranking them close to as high as everyone else is seeming to.

I actually find Detroit more impressive having 2 completely different title winning teams that were consistent contenders during that time period. Miami as well.