Does Booker have a case for top 10 player?

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Does booker have a case for top 10 player.

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Re: Does booker have a case for top 10 player. 

Post#21 » by Mavrelous » Tue Aug 2, 2022 2:32 pm

Lunartic wrote:Is Harden better than Booker?


Last year obviously not, but there are reasons to think he'll rebound from a bad year.
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Re: Does booker have a case for top 10 player. 

Post#22 » by mpoo_sin » Tue Aug 2, 2022 2:46 pm

garrick wrote:
And you're seriously discounting how difficult it is to score above 20ppg on great efficiency which is not something Dejounte has ever done so far in his career & Booker has done that for the past 5 seasons. Dejounte is a good player no doubt but offensively he is by far a more inferior player & his better defensive numbers don't make up for his inferior offense.


He is an elite scorer. But he is not an elite player.
His shooting is great and if he is on his jumpshot looks amazing. The problem is that he lacks in other areas. I d put him in the top20. One of his main problems is that he is too small.
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Post#23 » by Crives » Tue Aug 2, 2022 2:59 pm

#4 in MVP voting last year. Of course he is top ten
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Post#24 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Tue Aug 2, 2022 3:01 pm

He's not in my top10 but he has a case
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Post#25 » by Ruma85 » Tue Aug 2, 2022 3:34 pm

Ryoga Hibiki wrote:He's not in my top10 but he has a case


I tend to agree, his on the cusp just like tatum for me.
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Post#26 » by Ein Sof » Tue Aug 2, 2022 3:34 pm

He was robbed of MVP so I'd say yeah
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Post#27 » by Da ThRONe » Tue Aug 2, 2022 3:34 pm

I think a lot of people vastly underrated the overall talent level in the NBA. The answer is no but not because Devin isn't an extremely gifted player.
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Post#28 » by Ruma85 » Tue Aug 2, 2022 3:41 pm

Ein Sof wrote:He was robbed of MVP so I'd say yeah


Lol robbed.
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Post#29 » by FluLikeSymptoms » Tue Aug 2, 2022 3:48 pm

Probably a top-10 asset but if everyone’s healthy and I’m drafting current players for a game tonight, there’s no way Booker is top 10 on my big board.
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Post#30 » by jokeboy86 » Tue Aug 2, 2022 3:59 pm

I got to talk this out. Players I have better than Booker:

Giannis
Jokic
Luka
Embiid
Durant
Lebron
Curry(only cause of last year's ring)
Lillard
Ja

I put Booker in this list of guys that it's hard for me to separate(in no order):

Booker
Lavine
George
Tatum
Butler
Young

And then there's the hurt guys who may possibly be better but then are hurt a lot:

Zion
A. Davis
Leonard

So Booker's right there and I have feeling next year will be the year he establishes himself even more as eventually Paul will start to wear down cause of age.
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Post#31 » by SkyBill40 » Tue Aug 2, 2022 4:38 pm

Even as a Suns fan, I'm not drinking that flavor of Kool-Aid.
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Re: Does booker have a case for top 10 player. 

Post#32 » by SpreeS » Tue Aug 2, 2022 4:56 pm

jokeboy86 wrote:I got to talk this out. Players I have better than Booker:

Giannis
Jokic
Luka
Embiid
Durant
Lebron
Curry(only cause of last year's ring)
Lillard
Ja

I put Booker in this list of guys that it's hard for me to separate(in no order):

Booker
Lavine
George
Tatum
Butler
Young

And then there's the hurt guys who may possibly be better but then are hurt a lot:

Zion
A. Davis
Leonard

So Booker's right there and I have feeling next year will be the year he establishes himself even more as eventually Paul will start to wear down cause of age.


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Post#33 » by Phystic » Tue Aug 2, 2022 8:29 pm

SkyBill40 wrote:Even as a Suns fan, I'm not drinking that flavor of Kool-Aid.


Same. As a Suns fan I appreciate Bookers talent and abilities. However he is not a top 10 player. I think he's close and I'm not sure I agree with some of the players that are being put above him, but he's not top 10 yet
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Post#34 » by ShootersShoot » Tue Aug 2, 2022 8:40 pm

Some suns fans were calling him a superstar during the season. He's not, but he is a great player though. Would love to have him on my team.
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Post#35 » by Ballerhogger » Tue Aug 2, 2022 8:42 pm

Think you got your answer in the poll
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Post#36 » by MrGoat » Tue Aug 2, 2022 8:57 pm

There's a case but it is a bit of a stretch, but as long as all you are asking for is a case the answer is yes
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Re: Does booker have a case for top 10 player. 

Post#37 » by Chronz » Tue Aug 2, 2022 9:22 pm

Crives wrote:#4 in MVP voting last year. Of course he is top ten

Why?
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Re: Does booker have a case for top 10 player. 

Post#38 » by Darthlukey » Tue Aug 2, 2022 9:40 pm

Godymas wrote:
garrick wrote:
Godymas wrote:No and him being on the 1st team isn't even an accurate representation of the league as a whole.

But here's the top 10 players in the NBA from last season in no particular order

1. Jokic
2. Giannis
3. Steph Curry
4. Luka
5. Kevin Durant
6. Joel Embiid
7. Jayson Tatum
8. LeBron James
9. Ja Morant
10. Jimmy Butler

Obviously CP3 is the best player on the Suns, the biggest reason why they're good next to Monty Williams coaching, CP3 therefore is ranked above Devin Booker.

Dejounte Murray was a better player than Devin Booker last year
DeMar DeRozan was a better player than Devin Booker last year
Trae Young was a better player than Devin Booker last year
KAT was a better player than Devin Booker last year

Then of course there were the guys that were injured. Damian Lillard, Brad Beal, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Kyrie - not injured but he is a better player than Devin Booker

Man the list just goes on...

Devin Booker was 8th in scoring, 24th in PER, 33rd in WS/48, 17 in VORP, 39 in OWS - this is telling, his job is literally to be an offense first player, 21 in DWS - more because of his team really, 20th in BPM, 18 in VORP

by all statistical categories Devin Booker was only barely top 10 in scoring. and he was 78th in TS which means he isn't even the most efficient scorer, and that 78th is below tons of other high volume scorers like DBo, Trae, KD, Butler, Kyrie, Harden, Middleton, Curry, LaVine, etc.

There is nothing to quantify Booker being a top 10 player in the league, the only reason he made the 1st team was because PHX had the #1 seed. He has no business being put ahead of Steph Curry on an All NBA team. Ja also belongs above Booker, Booker should've either been a 3rd team guy or been knocked off the list. CP3 belonged on the 2nd team above Book.


"Dejounte Murray was a better player than Devin Booker last year
DeMar DeRozan was a better player than Devin Booker last year
Trae Young was a better player than Devin Booker last year
KAT was a better player than Devin Booker last year"

By better than Booker how do you define that? All the players you listed above had worse records in both the regular and postseason than Booker's Suns.

I do think he's just outside the top 10 but definitely in the top 15.


Dejounte Murray averaged 21-9-8 and led the league with 2 steals a game you have to ask why he's better than DBook

Stats obviously dont tell the whole story. I not much of a Book fan, but in a hypothetical world, if you swapped Book for Dejounte last season would the Spurs have been better/worse/same and how about the Suns? I feel like the Spurs remain the same and the Suns get marginally worse
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Re: Does booker have a case for top 10 player. 

Post#39 » by Darthlukey » Tue Aug 2, 2022 9:43 pm

Chronz wrote:
Crives wrote:#4 in MVP voting last year. Of course he is top ten

Why?

The MVP voting is a misnomer that factors into his team being top seed.

Another way to look at top 10 (which isnt a perfect metric) is if you were starting a franchise tomorrow, who would you start with? Are there 10 players you would pick ahead of Book? Obviously health and age are a factor here, which can mislead the final result. But I think you could pick 10 players ahead of him (most of the names have already been discussed).
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Re: Does Booker have a case for top 10 player? 

Post#40 » by The High Cyde » Tue Aug 2, 2022 9:53 pm

I thought he took a leap last season, but he needs to make another one to truly be in the upper echelon…but it’s super stacked right now, may also be that way if and when he does make another leap.
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