OT: What would happen if a superstar yelled a slur in game next season?

[Papi_swav]

Didn't Montrezl Harrell call Doncic a "b*tch ass white boy" on the court like 2 years ago? Don't remember any suspension

It would of been a suspension if it was the other way around. And they would be cancelled.

[Papi_swav]

What a weird thing to be wondering about.

Its the era man...now the real question is who is the top 10 GOAT woke athlete?

Kyrie is hands down #1 lol

[SOUL]

Why is "bitch ass black boy" worst then "bitch ass white boy"? The N word sure but why are you saying theres a big difference between those two meanings?

I think it's self-explanatory in the wider scope of things.

To humor you though, at least basketball wise, it's intended as a dismissal of white people being worse basketball players. Is there a racial element to it? Sure, but it's more multi-faceted in terms of what it can apply to. I'll give you a literal Larry Bird quote: "As far as playing, I didn't care who guarded me -- red, yellow, black. I just didn't want a white guy guarding me. Because it's disrespect to my game."

It's widely considered a dismissal of skills rather than it being racial. Would you be mad if you were at a park and someone said, "Damn, that white boy can hoop!" - probably not.

A white person calling a black player "bitch ass black boy" has no real basketball connotation to it at all - and "boy" as a term was very much used negatively for much of the history of America.

[SOUL]

How we need to be more inclusive in our world views.

Is this.. supposed to be a bad thing?

[MotownMadness]

Why is "bitch ass black boy" worst then "bitch ass white boy"? The N word sure but why are you saying theres a big difference between those two meanings?

I think it's self-explanatory in the wider scope of things.

To humor you though, at least basketball wise, it's intended as a dismissal of white people being worse basketball players. Is there a racial element to it? Sure, but it's more multi-faceted in terms of what it can apply to. I'll give you a literal Larry Bird quote: "As far as playing, I didn't care who guarded me -- red, yellow, black. I just didn't want a white guy guarding me. Because it's disrespect to my game."

It's widely considered a dismissal of skills rather than it being racial. Would you be mad if you were at a park and someone said, "Damn, that white boy can hoop!" - probably not.

A white person calling a black player "bitch ass black boy" has no real basketball connotation to it at all - and "boy" as a term was very much used negatively for much of the history of America.

Sorry but thats just making excuses and pampering a certain group of grown men like they're 5 year olds. Go ahead and talk racial trash but cry if someone does it back.

Either way they're probably both gonna end up in a fist fight and not a history lesson cause nobody's getting away with that type of trash talk on either side in the heat of the moment.

[azcatz11]

Why is "bitch ass black boy" worst then "bitch ass white boy"? The N word sure but why are you saying theres a big difference between those two meanings?

I think it's self-explanatory in the wider scope of things.

To humor you though, at least basketball wise, it's intended as a dismissal of white people being worse basketball players. Is there a racial element to it? Sure, but it's more multi-faceted in terms of what it can apply to. I'll give you a literal Larry Bird quote: "As far as playing, I didn't care who guarded me -- red, yellow, black. I just didn't want a white guy guarding me. Because it's disrespect to my game."

It's widely considered a dismissal of skills rather than it being racial. Would you be mad if you were at a park and someone said, "Damn, that white boy can hoop!" - probably not.

A white person calling a black player "bitch ass black boy" has no real basketball connotation to it at all - and "boy" as a term was very much used negatively for much of the history of America.

Ehhhh - I don't know if that context is appropriate the way it was used though. Harrell seemed enraged when he used it. Glad to see that Mike Breen could read Luka's thoughts during the 'apology' though

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[Statlanta]

The "bitch ass white boy" thread was funny because it was just a bunch of posters complaining why white people can't call black people the N word or say "bitch ass black boy" knowing FULL well the history of America and the connotation that comes with that. Some words just hold more meaning whether you like it or not depending on where it is and who it's from. It is what it is.

I dislike that African American people can call Caucasian people slurs on national T.V. because "they hold positions of power". It was sad that role player Montrezl Harell got away with that saying to a rising NBA superstar nonetheless while the whole bubble was set up to promote racial equality with the script on the floors.

[Lockdown504090]

Why is "bitch ass black boy" worst then "bitch ass white boy"? The N word sure but why are you saying theres a big difference between those two meanings?

I think it's self-explanatory in the wider scope of things.

To humor you though, at least basketball wise, it's intended as a dismissal of white people being worse basketball players. Is there a racial element to it? Sure, but it's more multi-faceted in terms of what it can apply to. I'll give you a literal Larry Bird quote: "As far as playing, I didn't care who guarded me -- red, yellow, black. I just didn't want a white guy guarding me. Because it's disrespect to my game."

It's widely considered a dismissal of skills rather than it being racial. Would you be mad if you were at a park and someone said, "Damn, that white boy can hoop!" - probably not.

A white person calling a black player "bitch ass black boy" has no real basketball connotation to it at all - and "boy" as a term was very much used negatively for much of the history of America.

Ehhhh - I don't know if that context is appropriate the way it was used though. Harrell seemed enraged when he used it. Glad to see that Mike Breen could read Luka's thoughts during the 'apology' though

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=Fossa

are white people offended by this on a serious level? mostly ive just heard ppl complain about if it was the other way around, but not really about how it makes them feel.

[azcatz11]

I think it's self-explanatory in the wider scope of things.

To humor you though, at least basketball wise, it's intended as a dismissal of white people being worse basketball players. Is there a racial element to it? Sure, but it's more multi-faceted in terms of what it can apply to. I'll give you a literal Larry Bird quote: "As far as playing, I didn't care who guarded me -- red, yellow, black. I just didn't want a white guy guarding me. Because it's disrespect to my game."

It's widely considered a dismissal of skills rather than it being racial. Would you be mad if you were at a park and someone said, "Damn, that white boy can hoop!" - probably not.

A white person calling a black player "bitch ass black boy" has no real basketball connotation to it at all - and "boy" as a term was very much used negatively for much of the history of America.

Ehhhh - I don't know if that context is appropriate the way it was used though. Harrell seemed enraged when he used it. Glad to see that Mike Breen could read Luka's thoughts during the 'apology' though

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=Fossa

are white people offended by this on a serious level? mostly ive just heard ppl complain about if it was the other way around, but not really about how it makes them feel.

Well I can only speak for myself and I agree that saying it the other way is more offensive but it's kind of offensive. I don't think it holds near the weight of calling someone the N word or a Jewish person the K word but it's offensive in some context. I do disagree with Mike Breen for sweeping it under the rug though because who knows how Luka felt

[MotownMadness]

I think it's self-explanatory in the wider scope of things.

To humor you though, at least basketball wise, it's intended as a dismissal of white people being worse basketball players. Is there a racial element to it? Sure, but it's more multi-faceted in terms of what it can apply to. I'll give you a literal Larry Bird quote: "As far as playing, I didn't care who guarded me -- red, yellow, black. I just didn't want a white guy guarding me. Because it's disrespect to my game."

It's widely considered a dismissal of skills rather than it being racial. Would you be mad if you were at a park and someone said, "Damn, that white boy can hoop!" - probably not.

A white person calling a black player "bitch ass black boy" has no real basketball connotation to it at all - and "boy" as a term was very much used negatively for much of the history of America.

Ehhhh - I don't know if that context is appropriate the way it was used though. Harrell seemed enraged when he used it. Glad to see that Mike Breen could read Luka's thoughts during the 'apology' though

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=Fossa

are white people offended by this on a serious level? mostly ive just heard ppl complain about if it was the other way around, but not really about how it makes them feel.

No thats up to Luka to take it how he wants as it doesn't affect me personally. I do know if i worked with anyone and they called me bitch ass white boy its probably getting heated real quick cause of a lack of respect you're showing me as a individual though.

[SOUL]

No thats up to Luka to take it how he wants as it doesn't affect me personally. I do know if i worked with anyone and they called me bitch ass white boy its probably getting heated real quick cause of a lack of respect you're showing me as a individual though.

Ehhhh - I don't know if that context is appropriate the way it was used though.

Question, wouldn't the fighting words be "bitch ass" then? If they called you a bum, idiot, a homophobic slur... no matter what came out after that, wouldn't it mean a sign of disrespect by those first two words alone? I think we're ignoring that part of it pretty blatantly. "White boy" is meant as a diss in terms of basketball skill (even if Doncic >>>>>> Harrell), unless Harrell has a manifesto of a hatred of Slovenians.

Like I said - if you're at a party and you're the only white dude there that has rhythm, someone saying "Go white boy!" isn't going to trigger your fight response because it's meant sort of endearingly, same with at the court. It's racial, but in terms of being surprised, "Damn, he has rhythm!" or "Damn, he can hoop!" ... but if someone went, "Wow this bitch ass white boy" ... well, it's a different story, right?

If we apply the same analogy WITHOUT the "bitch ass" part and flip it and someone white goes, "Damn, black boy!" .. it's just simply not something people really say or do. It can still be meant playfully and not be "racist", but saying that there's more of a chance something goes wrong because it's just not really a common term to just call someone a black boy, and they also may not know your intentions with it.

[kenwood3333]

If a star player did the same thing as Myers Leonard, a small fine and a public apology are sufficient

[Plutonashfan]

Why is "bitch ass black boy" worst then "bitch ass white boy"? The N word sure but why are you saying theres a big difference between those two meanings?

I think it's self-explanatory in the wider scope of things.

To humor you though, at least basketball wise, it's intended as a dismissal of white people being worse basketball players. Is there a racial element to it? Sure, but it's more multi-faceted in terms of what it can apply to. I'll give you a literal Larry Bird quote: "As far as playing, I didn't care who guarded me -- red, yellow, black. I just didn't want a white guy guarding me. Because it's disrespect to my game."

It's widely considered a dismissal of skills rather than it being racial. Would you be mad if you were at a park and someone said, "Damn, that white boy can hoop!" - probably not.

A white person calling a black player "bitch ass black boy" has no real basketball connotation to it at all - and "boy" as a term was very much used negatively for much of the history of America.

Agree 100 percent. All racism is terrible but there's still levels to it. I'm mixed Latino and Black. Been called a chulo in grade school by some of my friends in jest. This irked me but I was able so shrug it off. Now the last time I was called the N word I beat that dude ass on a outdoor basketball no less and threw him in surrounding woods uncle banks style in front of a bunch of spectators and everyone at least in high school thought it was the appropriate response. That word is completely off limits for reason that have noted on this site before. I'm truly tried of whataboutsism that some entitled and privilege people use when it comes to stuff about race/gender/etc especially when it comes to maginalize groups. They often have no clue and live in their little bubble or don't really care. Your post have been a excellent example of the reality of the situation.

[TheHartBreakKid]

Depends on the superstar, the slur, and who it was directed to.

[SOUL]

That word is completely off limits for reason that have noted on this site before. I'm truly tried of whataboutsism that some entitled and privilege people use when it comes to stuff about race/gender/etc especially when it comes to maginalize groups. They often have no clue and live in their little bubble or don't really care. Your post have been a excellent example of the reality of the situation.

Yep! It''s a bit frustrating on here to debate it but it is what it is. I think everybody can agree on that the best way to avoid any sort of incident is to not even invoke any sort of racial component in trash talk or how you interact with anybody in general, that's obvious. But how hard is it for people to recognize why certain things are more sensitive and hold more weight culturally, ethnically, nationally in every country?People may pretend to feign ignorance of what words mean, but at the same time, would never utter these words they're saying hold equal water in terms of connotation, so I think deep down people really know what it is.

[MotownMadness]

No thats up to Luka to take it how he wants as it doesn't affect me personally. I do know if i worked with anyone and they called me bitch ass white boy its probably getting heated real quick cause of a lack of respect you're showing me as a individual though.

Ehhhh - I don't know if that context is appropriate the way it was used though.

Question, wouldn't the fighting words be "bitch ass" then? If they called you a bum, idiot, a homophobic slur... no matter what came out after that, wouldn't it mean a sign of disrespect by those first two words alone? I think we're ignoring that part of it pretty blatantly. "White boy" is meant as a diss in terms of basketball skill (even if Doncic >>>>>> Harrell), unless Harrell has a manifesto of a hatred of Slovenians.

Like I said - if you're at a party and you're the only white dude there that has rhythm, someone saying "Go white boy!" isn't going to trigger your fight response because it's meant sort of endearingly, same with at the court. It's racial, but in terms of being surprised, "Damn, he has rhythm!" or "Damn, he can hoop!" ... but if someone went, "Wow this bitch ass white boy" ... well, it's a different story, right?

If we apply the same analogy WITHOUT the "bitch ass" part and flip it and someone white goes, "Damn, black boy!" .. it's just simply not something people really say or do. It can still be meant playfully and not be "racist", but saying that there's more of a chance something goes wrong because it's just not really a common term to just call someone a black boy, and they also may not know your intentions with it.

Obviously depending on the relationship and the aggression behind it like you stated.

I just see them as both equal in terms of trying to minimize or disrespect one by the color of the skin. But yeah if im being called bitch, dumb ass or anything im taking it just the same in terms of disrespect but im also not really a "these are people" type of person. I either like you or dont so I dont really get the whole double standard must align on a side of history moving forward type of mentality.

If you're a **** then it just is what it is whether you're black or white it makes no difference to me.

Maybe Montrez just doesn't like white people? He didnt call him a bitch ass Slovenian.

[DavidSterned]

Invoking race to insult someone is always wrong, period. That shouldn't have to come with qualifiers.

Silver refusing to so much as comment let alone fine Harrell in 2020 during the bubble's social justice fest was a pretty limp dicked moment from him.

[Plutonashfan]

That word is completely off limits for reason that have noted on this site before. I'm truly tried of whataboutsism that some entitled and privilege people use when it comes to stuff about race/gender/etc especially when it comes to maginalize groups. They often have no clue and live in their little bubble or don't really care. Your post have been a excellent example of the reality of the situation.

Yep! It''s a bit frustrating on here to debate it but it is what it is. I think everybody can agree on that the best way to avoid any sort of incident is to not even invoke any sort of racial component in trash talk or how you interact with anybody in general, that's obvious. But how hard is it for people to recognize why certain things are more sensitive and hold more weight culturally, ethnically, nationally in every country?People may pretend to feign ignorance of what words mean, but at the same time, would never utter these words they're saying hold equal water in terms of connotation, so I think deep down people really know what it is.

Same reason Senators from one party want to ban CRT bury it in the sand like nothing happen shameless the whole lot, and anyone agreeing with that BS

[Dupp]

Please be more specific

[Pointgod]

We saw what happened when Kobe Bryant (superstar) called a ref a homophobic slur on national television: Fine, no suspension.

We saw what happened when Myers Leonard (not a star) said an anti-semitic word on livestream: Fine, suspension + trade + waived.

Now, in the 2023 season, what would happen if a superstar was caught calling another player either a homophobic slur or a racist slur on live TV?

My guess is the punishment would be somewhere between what Kobe and Leonard got - maybe a suspension and fine, but no team would cut the player? What are your thoughts? Would it depend on the type of slur (ex. racist vs. homophobic vs. religious)?

Probably a one game suspension and public apology which of course is a slap on the wrist.