[Annoyed] NBA player measurements are still a joke

[ellobo]

Does it really matter? Listed heights and weights have always been inaccurate or downright fictional to a greater or lesser extent from player to player. So they're not only inaccurate, but not even inaccurate in a consistent way.

So what?

Maybe for the draft, where guys are less familiar and have no NBA track record, teams would want as much information as possible. But as fan, what possible difference does it make?

How tall would a player be if you didn't know how tall he is?

It matters if you betting dimes and nickles...
It matters if the rent/mortgage/car note/baby formula is at risk

Information is power as they say

If they shoving gambling down the publics throat to the point its every other commercial... the gamblers their trying to exploit deserve all the information available to be accurate

a 1% edge is still an edge

Well, I would argue that knowing accurate player dimensions provides zero advantage for gambling. When would you place or not place a bet, based on "player X is actually an inch shorter than his listed height"? First, this probably isn't secret information that isn't obvious to other bettors or oddsmakers. Second, a player's impact is apparent in all kinds of other ways that are much more significant than a player's height (which is largely insignificant).

Information is not power, and that isn't the saying. KNOWLEDGE is power.

More often than not, data is a distraction, unless you have a clear understanding of WHAT data is significant, and HOW it is significant. IMO, knowing a player's height is largely irrelevant.

[cupcakesnake]

Eric Gordon weighs 238 pounds?!?! That is way too heavy for a shooting guard

At the 2008 draft combine, a 19-year-old Gordon weighed in at 222 lbs. He's always been an absolute bowling ball. Before all those injuries, he was a bowling ball with hops. 238 doesn't sound unrealistic at all, since it's just 16 lbs. more than he weighed as a teenager! He's always had a pretty unique body in the NBA.

[Eric Bieniemy]

Eric Gordon weighs 238 pounds?!?! That is way too heavy for a shooting guard

At the 2008 draft combine, a 19-year-old Gordon weighed in at 222 lbs. He's always been an absolute bowling ball. Before all those injuries, he was a bowling ball with hops. 238 doesn't sound unrealistic at all, since it's just 16 lbs. more than he weighed as a teenager! He's always had a pretty unique body in the NBA.

I was just telling my 16 year old son yesterday about the time I saw Eric Gordon embarass Michael Jordan's kid in high school.

I was having a conversation with my son about the importance of staying hungry. I explained to him that oftentimes rich kids (especially in sports) aren't nearly as hungry as other kids. I referenced Jordan's kid but also Steph Curry, who, by my estimation, was an exception because the lack of D1 offers and attention fueled his hunger. Same with Michael Jordan who was cut from his varsity team. The exceptional ones like Jordan and Curry use circumstances to put logs on the fire of their hunger, something I desperately want for my three sons (good fathers stand up).

Anyway, Gordon was an absolute beast.

[dhsilv2]

You would think they would try to actually have some sort consistency in the way they do heights and weights since it plays such a big role in player matchups. I'm sure the teams have more accurate internal databases that the public doesn't have access to, though.

Player matchups? What? A league where most team switch everything and you think a few pounds or inches would impact a matchup?

[SeattleJazzFan]

they should be measured in shoes. they play in shoes. when we watch them they are wearing shoes. how tall they are when they stand next to their bedroom door in his bare feet is irrelevant. when i watch a guy standing on a basketball court, i want to know how tall the guy i am seeing is - i want to know how tall he is when he's competing on the basketball court. iow, when he's wearing shoes.

when a player is matching up with another player, they are both wearing shoes - i want to know how tall they are relative to one another when they are competing. not when they are stretched out in their bed.

[ChuckChilly]

they should be measured in shoes. they play in shoes. when we watch them they are wearing shoes. how tall they are when they stand next to their bedroom door in his bare feet is irrelevant. when i watch a guy standing on a basketball court, i want to know how tall the guy i am seeing is - i want to know how tall he is when he's competing on the basketball court. iow, when he's wearing shoes.

I agree with you but the only thing is shoe size can vary. Some give you 1 inch of height while others give up to 1.75 inches.

[SeattleJazzFan]

they should be measured in shoes. they play in shoes. when we watch them they are wearing shoes. how tall they are when they stand next to their bedroom door in his bare feet is irrelevant. when i watch a guy standing on a basketball court, i want to know how tall the guy i am seeing is - i want to know how tall he is when he's competing on the basketball court. iow, when he's wearing shoes.

I agree with you but the only thing is shoe size can vary. Some give you 1 inch of height while others give up to 1.75 inches.

right, but don't players always wear the same brand shoe? because that's even more reason to measure them in shoes. if one guy wears a 1.75 shoe and another wears a 1 inch shoe, i want to know how tall they are when they are playing against each other. if they are the same height in socks, i don't care - it's meaningless.

now, if a guy wears a 1.75 one night and a 1 inch the next night - that's a problem in terms of the measurement. i'm not a shoe guy but it seems like guys wear the same shoe over the course of the entire season (not the same pair of course, but same brand, etc)

[mixerball]

totaly agree with op. The most paid sports league in the world, everything is pro af except this. its like they say to the players "just measure yourself".

[ssfhjddh]

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[ssfhjddh]

they should be measured in shoes. they play in shoes. when we watch them they are wearing shoes. how tall they are when they stand next to their bedroom door in his bare feet is irrelevant. when i watch a guy standing on a basketball court, i want to know how tall the guy i am seeing is - i want to know how tall he is when he's competing on the basketball court. iow, when he's wearing shoes.

when a player is matching up with another player, they are both wearing shoes - i want to know how tall they are relative to one another when they are competing. not when they are stretched out in their bed.

so ice hockey player's heights should be measured with them wearing skates? NFL players weights should be with their pads and helmets on?

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[NO-KG-AI]

they should be measured in shoes. they play in shoes. when we watch them they are wearing shoes. how tall they are when they stand next to their bedroom door in his bare feet is irrelevant. when i watch a guy standing on a basketball court, i want to know how tall the guy i am seeing is - i want to know how tall he is when he's competing on the basketball court. iow, when he's wearing shoes.

I agree with you but the only thing is shoe size can vary. Some give you 1 inch of height while others give up to 1.75 inches.

right, but don't players always wear the same brand shoe? because that's even more reason to measure them in shoes. if one guy wears a 1.75 shoe and another wears a 1 inch shoe, i want to know how tall they are when they are playing against each other. if they are the same height in socks, i don't care - it's meaningless.

now, if a guy wears a 1.75 one night and a 1 inch the next night - that's a problem in terms of the measurement. i'm not a shoe guy but it seems like guys wear the same shoe over the course of the entire season (not the same pair of course, but same brand, etc)

Guys wear padded shoes to the combine to gain height for people that only care about shoe height, and dudes change shoes over time. Even an old pair vs a new pair is going to cause changes. Why waste time measuring something that is going to be completely inconsistent? It's like weighing players with shoes on. Why would you introduce a variable that will always change?

[alevirfe]

I thought player measurements are now handled at the combine? that would be the best & most consistent way to do it - measure height without shoes pre-draft

[alevirfe]

I agree with you but the only thing is shoe size can vary. Some give you 1 inch of height while others give up to 1.75 inches.

right, but don't players always wear the same brand shoe? because that's even more reason to measure them in shoes. if one guy wears a 1.75 shoe and another wears a 1 inch shoe, i want to know how tall they are when they are playing against each other. if they are the same height in socks, i don't care - it's meaningless.

now, if a guy wears a 1.75 one night and a 1 inch the next night - that's a problem in terms of the measurement. i'm not a shoe guy but it seems like guys wear the same shoe over the course of the entire season (not the same pair of course, but same brand, etc)

Guys wear padded shoes to the combine to gain height for people that only care about shoe height, and dudes change shoes over time. Even an old pair vs a new pair is going to cause changes. Why waste time measuring something that is going to be completely inconsistent? It's like weighing players with shoes on. Why would you introduce a variable that will always change?

yes this makes no sense. measure without shoes for consistency and then you can make your own adjustment and assume players are 1-2" taller on the court

[NO-KG-AI]

I thought player measurements are now handled at the combine? that would be the best & most consistent way to do it - measure height without shoes pre-draft

It is, and as soon as the combine is over, players magically grow 2 inches in the summer after they get to their new team and the training camp stories start.

Also, a lot of the top prospects won't measure at the combine because honestly they can only really disappoint.

[Johnny Bball]

Better question… why is it continually so difficult for the NBA to be honest.

[AussieCeltic]

It’s weird that some of the tallest guys in the world need to lie about their height. Acting like they’re a 5’10 single guy on a dating site saying he’s 6 foot.

[Deivork]

I choose to believe that Sengun grew two inches since euroleague which ended a few weeks ago, idc about your reality

When he was playing against Jokic this summer, he was clearly shorter than Jokic, couple of inches and Jokic is 6"11. Measurements are often inflated.

Jokic doesn't look that tall to me

[Knightfall]

Does it really matter? Listed heights and weights have always been inaccurate or downright fictional to a greater or lesser extent from player to player. So they're not only inaccurate, but not even inaccurate in a consistent way.

So what?

Maybe for the draft, where guys are less familiar and have no NBA track record, teams would want as much information as possible. But as fan, what possible difference does it make?

How tall would a player be if you didn't know how tall he is?

It matters if you betting dimes and nickles...
It matters if the rent/mortgage/car note/baby formula is at risk

Information is power as they say

If they shoving gambling down the publics throat to the point its every other commercial... the gamblers they're trying to exploit deserve all the information available to be accurate

a 1% edge is still an edge
trust the algos they brogram use all the advantages they can and no ones really regulating the code behind the algos, the house always wins in the end doub't when it's digital and easily turned up and down/manipulated whenever it still has the advantage

they want 100% loses turn a dial edit a number in the code
they want 100% wins the same
50.01% not an issue
74.04%
consumer will never know and regulators can never do anything about or realistically audit
they can schedule the odds out the next 100+ years and know exactly what will come back does'nt matter its all profit to them, they can set it to audit delete and keep a separate set of books that shows them losing or keeping pace with others in the industry

If anyone's gambling is to the point they're risking their house, car, baby formula, electric bill, food on the table etc... I'd say they need to rethink their life choices and focus not on a players height or weight, but focus on fixing their life and seek professional help for their addiction, which at this point they should realize they're bad at it.

Or go to the tracks empty the bank account on horse #13. Go all in!!!

[Mirotic12]

We can use the European players as proof that the teams and players can still choose whatever height listing they want (shoes or no shoes). Because for the European players, we know how tall they really are, because in Europe, the team's list accurate measurements, and they are barefoot listings. The only caveat with the measurements in Europe, is that most of the time, they don't get updated after age 17 or 18.

In Europe, Boban was listed at 7-3 1/2 barefoot. Under current NBA rules, the NBA rounds up anything half an inch or over. So Boban's Rockets listing of 7-4, would be his barefoot height.

In Europe, Garuba was listed at 6-8 barefoot. So Garuba's Rockets listing of 6-8, would be his barefoot height.

In Europe, Sengun was listed at 6-10 barefoot. So Sengun's Rockets listing of 6-11, would be his in shoes height, which also matches his pre-draft NBA in shoes measurement. And it also explains why he would be listed at 6-10 last season, because that is his barefoot height.

So yeah, it's obvious that the NBA "rules change" about the height and weight listings was just a big PR stunt.

[G R E Y]

Yeah all the players listed as 6'6" who look shorter standing next to Manu during all the summer team bonding outings please stand up. Or sit down. Or something...

What IS true is a noticeably slimmed down and trim Keldon. Said he lost 21lbs. Told Pop he looks better, too