DPOY and All-Defense Thread 2023 (FINAL poll reset)

Dacost · Post #21 » by **Dacost** » Thu Dec 8, 2022 3:30 am

I got Jackson Jr his blocks are elite but this year he is picking up on his defensive rebounds which should help.

Packbuckman · Post #22 » by **Packbuckman** » Thu Dec 8, 2022 3:45 am

Brooke has been amazing this year looks so much quicker and Spry after his back surgery and offseason. This Lopez makes this team so much better on D plus his 3 pt shot looks great.

Kurtz · Post #23 » by **Kurtz** » Thu Dec 8, 2022 5:05 am

Ron Swanson wrote:If you're gonna reward the Cavs for being the current #1 defense then it's Jarret Allen by a country mile. Because Mobley's been straight up bad so far this season (they're +8.5 points-per-100 better on defense when he sits). He's certainly not playing at an All-Defense level, let alone being worthy of in the discussion for DPOTY.

Am I the only one who read this post in Ron Swanson's voice?

Dutchball97 · Post #24 » by **Dutchball97** » Thu Dec 8, 2022 8:37 am

I'd go with Jarrett Allen closely followed by Brook Lopez at the moment. I'm not too sure yet who I'd support gor the guards yet but OG and Giannis seem like the logical first team All-Defense forwards for now.

The Explorer · Post #25 » by **The Explorer** » Thu Dec 8, 2022 6:06 pm

Curuso has to be on an all-defense team. The guy is a massive difference maker and has one of the highest defensive IQs in the league.

Post #26 » by **bisme37** » Thu Dec 8, 2022 8:18 pm

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Que Rico · Post #27 » by **Que Rico** » Thu Dec 8, 2022 8:23 pm

Zion made OG look pedestrian

Kurtz · Post #28 » by **Kurtz** » Thu Dec 8, 2022 10:02 pm

Que Rico wrote:Zion made OG look pedestrian

Davis destroyed the Bucks frontcourt.

Roddy B for 3 · Post #29 » by **Roddy B for 3** » Fri Dec 9, 2022 8:02 am

cupcakesnake wrote:
yoyoboy wrote:The Cavs have the #1 defense despite guys like Mitchell, Love, Garland, LeVert, and Cedi playing heavy minutes. And the only other defense in the league that’s close is Milwaukee, and they have Holiday, Carter, and a cast of other solid defensive players to support Lopez and Giannis. So I don’t see how the frontrunner isn’t one of Allen or Mobley at this point.

Brook is awesome, but he wouldn’t be able to get away with dropping so far down in the paint if he didn’t have the defenders up top that he does. He’s just not asked to do as much as a guy like Allen is for this team where he has to cover a lot of space across the floor as well as protect the rim.

Brook and Giannis vs. Mobley and Allen is a fun comparison.

I agree that the Bucks have a whole lot more going on in their backcourt. Both teams are a little smooshy on the wing, though Milwaukee still has an edge there if Middleton is looking okay.

Brook's block numbers will lift up his DPOY case, but Giannis being on his team will have a lot of voters preferring the starrier name. In terms of Brook vs. Allen, Brook looks a little more solid in drop and pure rim protection, but Allen covers a lot more ground with his foot speed and athleticism.

I have Brook and Allen ahead of Mobley and Giannis, I obviously think that role is simply more valuable/impactful. But Mobley and Giannis are legit candidates regardless.

I feel like Giannis swiss army knife style allows Brook to wxcell in a more limited role (deep drop back)

Roddy B for 3 · Post #30 » by **Roddy B for 3** » Fri Dec 9, 2022 8:02 am

cupcakesnake wrote:
yoyoboy wrote:The Cavs have the #1 defense despite guys like Mitchell, Love, Garland, LeVert, and Cedi playing heavy minutes. And the only other defense in the league that’s close is Milwaukee, and they have Holiday, Carter, and a cast of other solid defensive players to support Lopez and Giannis. So I don’t see how the frontrunner isn’t one of Allen or Mobley at this point.

Brook is awesome, but he wouldn’t be able to get away with dropping so far down in the paint if he didn’t have the defenders up top that he does. He’s just not asked to do as much as a guy like Allen is for this team where he has to cover a lot of space across the floor as well as protect the rim.

Brook and Giannis vs. Mobley and Allen is a fun comparison.

I agree that the Bucks have a whole lot more going on in their backcourt. Both teams are a little smooshy on the wing, though Milwaukee still has an edge there if Middleton is looking okay.

Brook's block numbers will lift up his DPOY case, but Giannis being on his team will have a lot of voters preferring the starrier name. In terms of Brook vs. Allen, Brook looks a little more solid in drop and pure rim protection, but Allen covers a lot more ground with his foot speed and athleticism.

I have Brook and Allen ahead of Mobley and Giannis, I obviously think that role is simply more valuable/impactful. But Mobley and Giannis are legit candidates regardless.

I feel like Giannis swiss army knife style allows Brook to wxcell in a more limited role (deep drop back)

AussieCeltic · Post #31 » by **AussieCeltic** » Fri Dec 9, 2022 9:02 am

OG has been putting a straight jacket on some of the best offensive players. I feel it might be tough for another non rim protector to win 2 in a row though.

Lopez is fav at this point but I don’t think it will last. He hasn’t played half a season in over 2 years.

Jarrett Allen and JJJ a real chance

nikster · Post #32 » by **nikster** » Fri Dec 9, 2022 1:31 pm

OG for me. Arguably the best individual defense inhe league and can basically do it against every position. Has a ton of impact for team D with his steals and deflection and getting in passing, one of the best for hsi size and position at rim protection and above average overall there

OakleyDokely · Post #33 » by **OakleyDokely** » Fri Dec 9, 2022 2:15 pm

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Post #34 » by **Duffman100** » Fri Dec 9, 2022 2:23 pm

Que Rico wrote:Zion made OG look pedestrian

Whew, glad this situation is judged on a single game

Que Rico · Post #35 » by **Que Rico** » Fri Dec 9, 2022 4:07 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
Que Rico wrote:Zion made OG look pedestrian

Whew, glad this situation is judged on a single game

I know huh, glad we got that resolved.

Post #36 » by **cupcakesnake** » Fri Dec 9, 2022 4:20 pm

Roddy B for 3 wrote:
cupcakesnake wrote:
yoyoboy wrote:The Cavs have the #1 defense despite guys like Mitchell, Love, Garland, LeVert, and Cedi playing heavy minutes. And the only other defense in the league that’s close is Milwaukee, and they have Holiday, Carter, and a cast of other solid defensive players to support Lopez and Giannis. So I don’t see how the frontrunner isn’t one of Allen or Mobley at this point.

Brook is awesome, but he wouldn’t be able to get away with dropping so far down in the paint if he didn’t have the defenders up top that he does. He’s just not asked to do as much as a guy like Allen is for this team where he has to cover a lot of space across the floor as well as protect the rim.

Brook and Giannis vs. Mobley and Allen is a fun comparison.

I agree that the Bucks have a whole lot more going on in their backcourt. Both teams are a little smooshy on the wing, though Milwaukee still has an edge there if Middleton is looking okay.

Brook's block numbers will lift up his DPOY case, but Giannis being on his team will have a lot of voters preferring the starrier name. In terms of Brook vs. Allen, Brook looks a little more solid in drop and pure rim protection, but Allen covers a lot more ground with his foot speed and athleticism.

I have Brook and Allen ahead of Mobley and Giannis, I obviously think that role is simply more valuable/impactful. But Mobley and Giannis are legit candidates regardless.

I feel like Giannis swiss army knife style allows Brook to wxcell in a more limited role (deep drop back)

I get the idea here, but numbers emphatically suggest the elite drop rim protector is more crucial than the swiss army knife when looking at Cleveland, Milwaukee (the teams that have this configuration) and Boston last year (Time Lord and Horford). While Milwuakee is elite defensively with either one of Giannis or Brook on the floor this year, they are stingier with Brook on and Giannis off. It's not as exaggerated as in Cleveland (Milwaukee is a more well-rounded defensive roster), but the drop big is carrying a heavier load/making bigger impact. We got a look last year at Milwaukee without Brook, and they shrunk into an average defense with Giannis in a hybrid center role.

TheLand13 · Post #37 » by **TheLand13** » Fri Dec 9, 2022 4:54 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:I put my vote in for Jarrett Allen, because I like the idea of best defender on the best defensive team and he's covering for some weak links like Mitchell, Garland and LaVert.

OG is doing serious work right now, but there aren't really any weak defenders on that team and they still aren't near the top.

Caris LeVert hasn't been a weak link on defense at all this season. That's been one of his only consistent positive contributions to the team.

A lot of people are blindly going with Jarrett Allen simply because he's the defensive anchor on the best defensive team in the NBA. Now I love Jarrett Allen and can spend all day praising him on this site, but he's not playing at a DPOY level. He'll probably get all defense consideration, but by no means is he DPOY worthy. Mobley's taken another step at that end this season, LeVert's put a lot of work into that end this year, Garland and Mitchell have stepped up at that end. And that doesn't even include other players like Okoro (who is playing terrific at that end this year but is somehow worse offensively), Stevens and Wade. Cleveland's just loaded with defensive talent. But as I said, Allen will probably get all defense consideration, as will Mobley.

Ron Swanson wrote:If you're gonna reward the Cavs for being the current #1 defense then it's Jarret Allen by a country mile. Because Mobley's been straight up bad so far this season (they're +8.5 points-per-100 better on defense when he sits). He's certainly not playing at an All-Defense level, let alone being worthy of in the discussion for DPOTY.

Post #38 » by **INKtastic** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:03 am

Ron Swanson wrote:If you're gonna reward the Cavs for being the current #1 defense then it's Jarret Allen by a country mile. Because Mobley's been straight up bad so far this season (they're +8.5 points-per-100 better on defense when he sits). He's certainly not playing at an All-Defense level, let alone being worthy of in the discussion for DPOTY.

Bad? He's leading the league in defensive win share with 1.7, is leading the league in contested 3s per game, is 4th in contested shots/game, and is second in the league in defensive rating.

Dacost · Post #39 » by **Dacost** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:34 am

Another 4 block 2 steal game for the block panther.

Grizzlies were in the low 20s on defense and are now a top 10 team after he return from his injury.

KGtabake · Post #40 » by **KGtabake** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 10:22 am

Brook Lopez has made the most impressive turnaround of a career i can think of since joining Milwaukee.
His reputation was that of a dinosaur who can't defend, can't rebound and can only score in the paint (ok with elite post game).
He's the best rim protector in the game and he's (by far) the guy who has made box outs a joy to watch.
He's responsible for at least 20 boards of his team any given night.
I leave aside his offensive game and shooting in particular.
Very impressive. Nice guy too.

Who's on your DPOY ballot? (Pick 3.)