NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2022-23 (pt 2)

[eyeatoma]

Way more objective and based in reality than anything you’d ever utter. Like i said in the previous thread: if Embiid tops Jokic on that list ill call him the MVP. Until then you can keep handicapping Jokic to appease your feelings.

Yeah has nothign to do with the fact that it props your boy up. What' sthe point of all these advanced stats, and being the stats king, when you can't get past the WCF?

How about getting to conference final like Embiid.. oh wait.

Injuries. And Jokic already have won 2 mvps. Different standards buddy. 3 time MVP is rarified air.

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[Sharkboy242]

Yeah has nothign to do with the fact that it props your boy up. What' sthe point of all these advanced stats, and being the stats king, when you can't get past the WCF?

Yeah, the math really props my boy up, that’s right. Funny how much these metrics offend you despite the fact they give every NBA player and equal chance.

personal numbers aside: Jokic has 19 wins and Embiid has 14.

Over his career Embiid has a higher winning percentage than Jokic.

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Over his career? Thats a much smaller sample size lol. Jokic actually plays full seasons. Funny how you have to keep on bringing things up that have nothing to do with this regular season. Try staying on topic.

[eyeatoma]

Yeah, the math really props my boy up, that’s right. Funny how much these metrics offend you despite the fact they give every NBA player and equal chance.

personal numbers aside: Jokic has 19 wins and Embiid has 14.

Over his career Embiid has a higher winning percentage than Jokic.

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Over his career? Thats a much smaller sample size lol. Jokic actually plays full seasons. Funny how you have to keep on bringing things up that have nothing to do with this regular season. Try staying on topic.

Recycle the same arguments. All you have is injuries bruh. Literally it.

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[Sharkboy242]

Answer my question though. Why isn't he in the finals yet if he's so good. Y'all going to award him three MVPs and he hasn't gotten past the WCF? If he's that good he should make the finals. Instead he throws tantrums and gets ejected.

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Because he hasn’t played alongside an all star yet.

Why hasn’t Embiid reached the ECF playing alongside multiple all stars and playing elite level defense?

Murray had 50 twice in the bubble. Those are all star numbers.

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Two high scoring bubble games = all star

Nice logic eyetoma

[eyeatoma]

Yeah, the math really props my boy up, that’s right. Funny how much these metrics offend you despite the fact they give every NBA player and equal chance.

personal numbers aside: Jokic has 19 wins and Embiid has 14.

Over his career Embiid has a higher winning percentage than Jokic.

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Over his career? Thats a much smaller sample size lol. Jokic actually plays full seasons. Funny how you have to keep on bringing things up that have nothing to do with this regular season. Try staying on topic.

I'm not bringing up, the media is.

https://www.nba.com/news/can-nikola-jokic-win-3-straight-mvps

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[AleksandarN]

Yeah has nothign to do with the fact that it props your boy up. What' sthe point of all these advanced stats, and being the stats king, when you can't get past the WCF?

Yeah, the math really props my boy up, that’s right. Funny how much these metrics offend you despite the fact they give every NBA player and equal chance.

personal numbers aside: Jokic has 19 wins and Embiid has 14.

Over his career Embiid has a higher winning percentage than Jokic.

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How many all stars has Embiid played with? How many has Jokic?

[eyeatoma]

Because he hasn’t played alongside an all star yet.

Why hasn’t Embiid reached the ECF playing alongside multiple all stars and playing elite level defense?

Murray had 50 twice in the bubble. Those are all star numbers.

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Two high scoring bubble games = all star

Nice logic eyetoma

It actually is.

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[Sharkboy242]

Over his career Embiid has a higher winning percentage than Jokic.

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Over his career? Thats a much smaller sample size lol. Jokic actually plays full seasons. Funny how you have to keep on bringing things up that have nothing to do with this regular season. Try staying on topic.

Recycle the same arguments. All you have is injuries bruh. Literally it.

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Lmao

Its easier to sustain a higher level with low sample size. Thats an objective fact. Embiid has had better teams than Jokic too. Thats also a fact. Im rebutting all your weak ass talking points, nothing recycled here. Its not my fault you regurgitate the same things over and over.

[Sharkboy242]

Murray had 50 twice in the bubble. Those are all star numbers.

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Two high scoring bubble games = all star

Nice logic eyetoma

It actually is.

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Murray has never been an all star. What are you even trying to say?

[eyeatoma]

Two high scoring bubble games = all star

Nice logic eyetoma

It actually is.

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Murray has never been an all star. What are you even trying to say?

He performs like one in the playoffs. Your argument is that he doesn't have an all star. He performs like one during the playoffs.

Meanwhile the argument that Embiid had multiple all stars is a grey area.

The last 2 playoffs with Simmons he's not performed like an all star. Jimmy was the only one that did and Philly was a 4 bounce miracle from the ECF.

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[Sharkboy242]

It actually is.

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Murray has never been an all star. What are you even trying to say?

He performs like one in the playoffs. Your argument is that he doesn't have an all star. He performs like one during the playoffs.

Meanwhile the argument that Embiid had multiple all stars is a grey area.

The last 2 playoffs with Simmons he's not performed like an all star. Jimmy was the only one that did and Philly was a 4 bounce miracle from the ECF.

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Eyetoma pls

[p0peye]

There ought to be a rate limiting of user posts per topic here.

[eyeatoma]

Murray has never been an all star. What are you even trying to say?

He performs like one in the playoffs. Your argument is that he doesn't have an all star. He performs like one during the playoffs.

Meanwhile the argument that Embiid had multiple all stars is a grey area.

The last 2 playoffs with Simmons he's not performed like an all star. Jimmy was the only one that did and Philly was a 4 bounce miracle from the ECF.

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Eyetoma pls

Good response.

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[OkcSinceSGA]

I may have discovered someone who is a bigger Stan than me on this forum. Quite impressive.

[eyeatoma]

I may have discovered someone who is a bigger Stan than me on this forum. Quite impressive.

Lmao... I don't deny it.

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[Sharkboy242]

He performs like one in the playoffs. Your argument is that he doesn't have an all star. He performs like one during the playoffs.

Meanwhile the argument that Embiid had multiple all stars is a grey area.

The last 2 playoffs with Simmons he's not performed like an all star. Jimmy was the only one that did and Philly was a 4 bounce miracle from the ECF.

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Eyetoma pls

Good response.

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The discussion was getting out of hand. This the mvp thread, not the jokic vs embiid thread.

[itsxtray]

Eyeatoma rides for Embiid and i respect it even if i think some of his arguments are weak cause people really do be disrespecting Embiid on here. Even tho i prefer Jokic's playstyle to Embiid's to suggest there's some massive gap between them is asinine imo, they're comparable. I feel like Jokic is just more consistent and that's why he gets the edge for me.

I also believe that at their absolute best's Embiid has more ways to help his team win because of defense. It's just about being consistent for him. I'm reminded of Embiid's first game back from injury in game 3 against the heat. He was a monster on defense, shut the entire paint down, It was a brilliant performance even tho he wasn't amazing on offense that night. The heat only scored 79 and even tho Embiid only had 1 steal and 1 block if you watched the game you saw that he deterred or altered everything entering the paint (not just at the rim) if Jokic has an off night on offense he just can't do something like that.

But like i said Jokic is more consistent in the playoffs than Embiid is up to this point in their careers so he still gets the edge for me even tho they're close. More 1a&1b than 1&2.

[eyeatoma]

Eyeatoma rides for Embiid and i respect even if i think some of his arguments are weak cause people really do be disrespecting Embiid on here. Even tho i prefer Jokic's playstyle to Embiid's to suggest there's some massive gap between them is asinine imo, they're comparable. I feel like Jokic is just more consistent and that's why he gets the edge for me.

I also believe that at their absolute best's Embiid has more ways to help his team win because of defense. It's just about being consistent for him. I'm reminded of Embiid's first game back from injury in game 3 against the heat. He was a monster on defense, shut the entire paint down, It was a brilliant performance even tho he wasn't amazing on offense that night. The heat only scored 79 and even tho Embiid only had 1 steal and 1 block if you watched the game you saw that he deterred or altered everything entering the paint (not just at the rim) if Jokic has an off night on offense he just can't do something like that.

But like i said Jokic is more consistent in the playoffs than Embiid is up to this point in their careers so he still gets the edge for me even tho they're close. More 1a&1b than 1&2.

Good post, respect.

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[eyeatoma]

Eyetoma pls

Good response.

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The discussion was getting out of hand. This the mvp thread, not the jokic vs embiid thread.

Lol fair enough. Although at the end of the season it might come down to this again.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/zub747/joel_embiid_debuts_on_the_mvp_tracker_at_2_behind/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

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[Archx]

Except Jokic is doing everything for his team, including playing defense and playmaking for others. Literally the only center in top10 among guards/wings who makes shots better for his teammates. It's confusing to me how people view Embiid as a better overal player, to me it's not even close. Jokic's impact is just on another level.

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