Gobert Trade Was Bad, But What About the Dejounte Murray Trade?

[ArtMorte]

Murray will make $17.7m next season and expire while Gobert's on a max until summer 2026.

Sure, Murray was a win-now move and giving up those picks will hurt if the Hawks cannot improve, but at least they won't be stuck with an ill-fitting max contract guy for several years.

They will re-sign him for a more lucrative contract though. Won't they?

I dunno, Murray's the kind of player who's pretty good, but who might also handicap a team if he's on much more than 20m per season.

If they trade Collins - who is overpaid at 25m per season - that would probably increase the chances of re-signing Murray.

[Chanel Bomber]

The Murray trade was a disaster for Atlanta.

It takes the ball away from Trae, one of the most talented on-ball players in the league. And you're not going anywhere with Murray as an on-ball player - he's too inefficient, too ball-dependent. He just puts a cap on a team's offensive efficiency. And off-ball, Murray doesn't provide much in terms of spacing because he can't shoot from 3.

And then there's the more general effect of completely messing with Atlanta's offense - I think it's contributed to destabilizing Trae and rendering him less efficient as a scorer.

The Gobert trade was likely worse due to the number of assets it cost, his age, and the fact that he plays the same position as their franchise player. It was even more egregious. But the Murray trade, for this return, was a catastrophe for Atlanta.

Inefficient ball-dominant players are never a good idea unless they are generational playmakers in my opinion.

[ShazamDaShiznt]

Are you asking our opinion on historically bad franchises giving away too many draft picks in bunch of trades that don't make them a championship contender?

[Geaux_Hawks]

Hawks problems are't centered around Murray. In fact, he's probably helped us win games we would've lost without him. Our issues revolve around Trae being in a slump, a need for a modernized offense, 3 pt shooting, Capela missing time, and a sub par bench.

We needed a consistent secondary playmaker. Murray is exactly that. We needed a defensive minded backcourt mate for Trae. Murray is that. Murray is doing what we need him to do. We just aren't the same team from last year or the year before.

Gallo and Huerter were bigger losses than anticipated. Especially Gallo because he came off the bench and gave us a more versatile threat in the frontcourt compared to what Collins and Clint are.

[Bornstellar]

You guys that keep commenting "Murray isn't the problem in Atlanta" are missing the point. I don't think he's the problem but he obviously was not the solution that they paid quite handsomely for.

The main point was Atlanta ponying up multiple picks for someone who isn't putting them over the top and will force them to either let him walk, trade him for a lesser return, or overpay him massively on his next deal to stay was a bad move. They paid a premium price for a player who doesn't move the needle at all

[Billl]

I think the Murray "problem" in atlanta is fixable with some more shooting on the floor with them. I don't think there is anything that would make the Gobert + Towns paring work. Just an odd trade from the start.

[Jadoogar]

All these trades are bad ones

Gobert to MIN
Murray to ATL
Mitchell to CLE
Vucevic to CHI

16 picks were traded or will be swaped in these trades and all these teams are first rnd exit folder at best.

you absolutely can't throw mitchell into this list.
The Cavs may not win right away but mitchell is young and will grow with the team. As the Nets and Bucks age out, Cavs will be right at the top of the conference.

[SpreeS]

All these trades are bad ones

Gobert to MIN
Murray to ATL
Mitchell to CLE
Vucevic to CHI

16 picks were traded or will be swaped in these trades and all these teams are first rnd exit folder at best.

you absolutely can't throw mitchell into this list.
The Cavs may not win right away but mitchell is young and will grow with the team. As the Nets and Bucks age out, Cavs will be right at the top of the conference.

Nah, you won't win with Mitchell as top dog. Mitchell teams looked better w/o him in the last 4 years.

[DrCoach]

Half the draft picks and 6 years younger, what are we talking about

[dacrusha]

Problem is, if Trae Young and KAT are the best players on your team, then you still need much more than adding a single all-star player to contend.

[ChuckChilly]

Too many people in here are commenting and haven't watched the Hawks play more than a game. The problem with the Hawks are bad offense, which leads to Murray and Young just taking turns, shooting whenever they feel like it. This is exacerbated by Trae being a slump and Murray's outside shot being shakey as well.

There is no flow to our offense. We don't even run fast breaks without players basically cherry picking.

Not sure why everyone is so obessed with picks. We have had plenty of them for the past few years and have only gotten solid players at best. At some point you have start wanting to win now. The Huerter trade seemed dumb, but our owner is focused on saving money, so oh well.

[Bornstellar]

Too many people in here are commenting and haven't watched the Hawks play more than a game. The problem with the Hawks are bad offense, which leads to Murray and Young just taking turns, shooting whenever they feel like it. This is exacerbated by Trae being a slump and Murray's outside shot being shakey as well.

There is no flow to our offense. We don't even run fast breaks without players basically cherry picking.

Not sure why everyone is so obessed with picks. We have had plenty of them for the past few years and have only gotten solid players at best. At some point you have start wanting to win now. The Huerter trade seemed dumb, but our owner is focused on saving money, so oh well.

Again, my point was not that Murray is the problem in ATL, but that breaking the bank to get him was silly given that he wasn't their missing piece and doesn't seem to be having much of an impact on them winning games (or SA for that matter)

[TheLand13]

All these trades are bad ones

Gobert to MIN
Murray to ATL
Mitchell to CLE
Vucevic to CHI

16 picks were traded or will be swaped in these trades and all these teams are first rnd exit folder at best.

Please do explain how Cleveland is a first round exist team at best. I can't wait to hear this one.

Nah, you won't win with Mitchell as top dog. Mitchell teams looked better w/o him in the last 4 years.

[Klomp]

Murray's contract situation and Young's potential desire to leave definitely make this trade at minimum just as dangerous.

And it's very important to note that Atlanta has been mostly healthy through the season. Minnesota has not.

[kanersen]

Murray won’t stay in Atlanta lol.

Klutch.

I don't know how you can reasonably say that if the organization has a team around him that Murray feels that he can win with and be highlighted on while being paid the max when he's due (which he deserves btw).

Sure this hasn't gone according to plan yet, but there's plenty of time to right the ship.

Outside of him hinting or indirectly saying he wants out, that is just pure speculation on your part.

[Bornstellar]

Murray won’t stay in Atlanta lol.

Klutch.

I don't know how you can reasonably say that if the organization has a team around him that Murray feels that he can win with and be highlighted on while being paid the max when he's due (which he deserves btw).

Sure this hasn't gone according to plan yet, but there's plenty of time to right the ship.

Outside of him hinting or indirectly saying he wants out, that is just pure speculation on your part.

Because they won't be able to put a team around him by then since they're capped out and have no real assets to work with besides Collins who no one wants apparently and they don't have a lot of picks either.

They sold the farm to marginally improve their team (if at all) and their star player is still unhappy while they're about to lose another coach. Doesn't seem like Atlanta is winning this trade to me right now

[jayu70]

Murray won’t stay in Atlanta lol.

Klutch.

I don't know how you can reasonably say that if the organization has a team around him that Murray feels that he can win with and be highlighted on while being paid the max when he's due (which he deserves btw).

Sure this hasn't gone according to plan yet, but there's plenty of time to right the ship.

Outside of him hinting or indirectly saying he wants out, that is just pure speculation on your part.

Because they won't be able to put a team around him by then since they're capped out and have no real assets to work with besides Collins who no one wants apparently and they don't have a lot of picks either.

They sold the farm to marginally improve their team (if at all) and their star player is still unhappy while they're about to lose another coach. Doesn't seem like Atlanta is winning this trade to me right now

Maybe I don't understand what 'sold the farm' means.
Hawks are on the hook for two of their own future picks in 2025 and 2027 - that's it.
The other 1st was the Charlotte pick

[meekrab]

Trading a bunch of stuff for a low efficiency short guy has never really worked out well, has it?

[Bornstellar]

I don't know how you can reasonably say that if the organization has a team around him that Murray feels that he can win with and be highlighted on while being paid the max when he's due (which he deserves btw).

Sure this hasn't gone according to plan yet, but there's plenty of time to right the ship.

Outside of him hinting or indirectly saying he wants out, that is just pure speculation on your part.

Because they won't be able to put a team around him by then since they're capped out and have no real assets to work with besides Collins who no one wants apparently and they don't have a lot of picks either.

They sold the farm to marginally improve their team (if at all) and their star player is still unhappy while they're about to lose another coach. Doesn't seem like Atlanta is winning this trade to me right now

Maybe I don't understand what 'sold the farm' means.
Hawks are on the hook for two of their own future picks in 2025 and 2027 - that's it.
The other 1st was the Charlotte pick

And an unprotected swap in 2026. Spurs basically own their draft for 3 straight years. You think that's small potatoes?

[TheLand13]

Trading a bunch of stuff for a low efficiency short guy has never really worked out well, has it?

Short?

He's a 6'5 PG. In what way is that short?