Woj: Hawks Trading John Collins to the Utah Jazz for Rudy Gay, 2RP

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Re: Woj: Hawks Trading John Collins to the Utah Jazz for Rudy Gay, 2RP 

Post#21 » by Mamba Mentality » Mon Jun 26, 2023 5:57 pm

This is the year that perennial trade candidates will actually get traded. Myles Turner and Buddy Hield to Lakers next. Stay tuned.
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Post#22 » by JB2 » Mon Jun 26, 2023 5:59 pm

Collins was at one point a freaky athletic 20 and 10 PF/C who could shoot the 3 and tries to contest at the rim. At worst, Jazz lose a 2nd they have a plethora of. Most likely they will try to build up his value then gain a 1st for him. At best, they might have gotten a very nice piece going forward. Risk is essentially zero.
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Post#23 » by LoveMyRaps » Mon Jun 26, 2023 5:59 pm

Mamba Mentality wrote:This is the year that perennial trade candidates will actually get traded. Myles Turner and Buddy Hield to Lakers next. Stay tuned.


I think Pascal is next out the door. Probably to Atlanta.
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Post#24 » by Kurtz » Mon Jun 26, 2023 5:59 pm

Danny Ainge is on a heater, wow.

Also creates a significant trade exemption for the Hawks. Wonder what they'll use it on. Or maybe it's just to save $$.
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Post#25 » by azcatz11 » Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:00 pm

He looks genuinely awful in the PO's. I don't know if he was injured or what but he had 0 lift and was playing below the rim.

Maybe this works out...but it seems like he's basically Kevin Love out there without the rebounding...
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Re: Woj: Hawks Trading John Collins to the Utah Jazz for Rudy Gay, 2RP 

Post#26 » by LoveMyRaps » Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:00 pm

People look at the return and assume it's because of the contract. Which is true, but it's also largely in part to Collins not being that good of a basketball player.
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Re: Woj: Hawks Trading John Collins to the Utah Jazz for Rudy Gay & a 2RP 

Post#27 » by Castle Black » Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:01 pm

JimmyPlopper wrote:Collin Sexton / Jordan Clarkson
Talen Horton-Tucker / Keyontae George
Lauri Markkanen / Ochai Agbaji / Bryce Sensabaugh
John Collins / Taylor Hendricks / Simone Fontecchio
Walker Kessler / Damian Jones


Interesting roster tbh. Lots of young talent. Will be interesting to see how they look this year.
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Re: Woj: Hawks Trading John Collins to the Utah Jazz for Rudy Gay & a 2RP 

Post#28 » by Froob » Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:01 pm

r0drig0lac wrote:lol John's worth was completely gone.

I mean how valuable is a 13 and 6 guy that can really only play the 4 and isn't a very good defender and is making 25M a year? Even when he's making 3s, he's not very valuable.
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Re: Woj: Hawks Trading John Collins to the Utah Jazz for Rudy Gay, 2RP 

Post#29 » by TacoLord » Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:01 pm

I don't understand why Utah would accept that without a FRP attached. 78m in remaining salary for a guy who isn't going to help you win anything is a huge amount of money to throw away. I wonder if this is the first part of a 3way deal that sends some more stuff to Utah to cover the salary dump, if not, I think it's a bad trade for the Jazz.
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Post#30 » by tcheco » Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:01 pm

Great for Utah honestly. They get him for free and try to salvage any value he could have, to flip him later. They have another year before thinking about contending, so no problem
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Post#31 » by TheNewEra » Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:02 pm

Great value for the Jazz with an absolute steal. Even if he doesn’t pan out right away they have the time to be patient with him. Should be a fun team to watch. Hawks got off the contract but not a lot to show for it which sucks. Hard to see the direction when the team still needs more deals like this to cut cost. If not trying to win then is it time to trade Trae everyone else and restart?
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Re: Woj: Hawks Trading John Collins to the Utah Jazz for Rudy Gay, 2RP 

Post#32 » by Triple M » Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:03 pm

I thought Collins was solid in the playoffs this year but yea i get it is a small sample
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Post#33 » by Dupp » Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:03 pm

Who knew that Rudy Gay was still in the league
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Re: Woj: Hawks Trading John Collins to the Utah Jazz for Rudy Gay, 2RP 

Post#34 » by JimmyPlopper » Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:03 pm

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Dejounte Murray / Bogdan Bogdanovic
Saddiq Bey / AJ Griffin
DeAndre Hunter / Jalen Johnson / Rudy Gay
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Re: Woj: Hawks Trading John Collins to the Utah Jazz for Rudy Gay, 2RP 

Post#35 » by TheNewEra » Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:04 pm

TacoLord wrote:I don't understand why Utah would accept that without a FRP attached. 78m in remaining salary for a guy who isn't going to help you win anything is a huge amount of money to throw away. I wonder if this is the first part of a 3way deal that sends some more stuff to Utah to cover the salary dump, if not, I think it's a bad trade for the Jazz.

Making a fun team to watch but still in play for a high pick.
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Post#36 » by Castle Black » Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:04 pm

TacoLord wrote:I don't understand why Utah would accept that without a FRP attached. 78m in remaining salary for a guy who isn't going to help you win anything is a huge amount of money to throw away. I wonder if this is the first part of a 3way deal that sends some more stuff to Utah to cover the salary dump, if not, I think it's a bad trade for the Jazz.


Cause that wasn’t the market for him. Nobody was trading a first round pick for John Collins and his bloated contract. I’m sure the Hawks tried relentlessly and no teams were interested.

He becomes an expiring in a 2025 so it’s not as bad as you think. They could easily trade him in a couple years or who knows, maybe he has a resurgence in Utah like Lauri did and they wanna keep him around.
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Post#37 » by Optimus_Steel » Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:06 pm

I'm kinda surprised that a team hasn't traded for Collins to use his as a small ball 5. The times that Atlanta tried it in the playoffs it looked pretty good because it gave them an offensive threat at the 5.
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Re: Woj: Hawks Trading John Collins to the Utah Jazz for Rudy Gay, 2RP 

Post#38 » by HoopsterJones » Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:07 pm

Kurtz wrote:Danny Ainge is on a heater, wow.

Also creates a significant trade exemption for the Hawks. Wonder what they'll use it on. Or maybe it's just to save $$.


Probably hold onto it. There were reports that the Hawks FO was mandated by ownership to get below the luxury tax.
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Re: Woj: Hawks Trading John Collins to the Utah Jazz for Rudy Gay, 2RP 

Post#39 » by TyCobb » Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:08 pm

Now this is dumb Hendricks is already a better version of Collins.
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Re: Woj: Hawks Trading John Collins to the Utah Jazz for Rudy Gay, 2RP 

Post#40 » by The-Power » Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:08 pm

Playoff-level front court, but a league-worst backcourt. Utah surely has an interesting team.

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