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dockingsched wrote:Can’t wait til he gets voted a starter by the fans, which counts for half the vote. We’ll see how the media and players vote with the other 50%.
Pelly24 wrote:facothomas22 wrote:The hype that Reaves is getting is out of control. Is the guy is even the best guard on his own team? I mean D'Aenglo Russell was unplayable in the Western Conference finals vs the Nuggets, but he was a 17-5 guy in the regular season and has been more or less that for most of his career. I don't see Reaves ever becoming a 17-5 guy. Both are bad on defense, so Reaves doesn't even close gap between him and Russell based on his defense. I think both are average playmakers. Also putting inflated numbers in FIBA doesn't mean all star potential. Otherwise, Mo Wagner, Dennis Schroader, Bobby Portis, along with others would've developed into a all cailber star already. The dude is role player and a average to below average one at that. I easily take guys like Derrick White and Bruce Brown over him becasue atleast they can do multiple things on a very good level.
It feels very likely that Reaves will end up a better player than D'Angelo Russell if he isn't already. He's much more athletic with his burst and body control and strength, so his free throw rate is elite. His TS% last year was a *staggering* 69% while averaging 13 points per game. In the playoffs it stayed at 62 TS%. So it's likely that he can get *at least* 17/5/5 on league average TS% (58 TS%), and considering that LeBron and AD will still be getting the most shots, that's possibly downplaying his potential efficiency. D. Lo's lack of athleticism has always damned him as a player, and this playoff run only reaffirmed that.
Reaves is also a decent enough defender.
And to reiterate, I'm not speaking as much about Reaves literally making the all-star team. I'm asking if he can be *that* level of player.
facothomas22 wrote:Pelly24 wrote:facothomas22 wrote:The hype that Reaves is getting is out of control. Is the guy is even the best guard on his own team? I mean D'Aenglo Russell was unplayable in the Western Conference finals vs the Nuggets, but he was a 17-5 guy in the regular season and has been more or less that for most of his career. I don't see Reaves ever becoming a 17-5 guy. Both are bad on defense, so Reaves doesn't even close gap between him and Russell based on his defense. I think both are average playmakers. Also putting inflated numbers in FIBA doesn't mean all star potential. Otherwise, Mo Wagner, Dennis Schroader, Bobby Portis, along with others would've developed into a all cailber star already. The dude is role player and a average to below average one at that. I easily take guys like Derrick White and Bruce Brown over him becasue atleast they can do multiple things on a very good level.
It feels very likely that Reaves will end up a better player than D'Angelo Russell if he isn't already. He's much more athletic with his burst and body control and strength, so his free throw rate is elite. His TS% last year was a *staggering* 69% while averaging 13 points per game. In the playoffs it stayed at 62 TS%. So it's likely that he can get *at least* 17/5/5 on league average TS% (58 TS%), and considering that LeBron and AD will still be getting the most shots, that's possibly downplaying his potential efficiency. D. Lo's lack of athleticism has always damned him as a player, and this playoff run only reaffirmed that.
Reaves is also a decent enough defender.
And to reiterate, I'm not speaking as much about Reaves literally making the all-star team. I'm asking if he can be *that* level of player.
I simply don't see it. During the Nuggets series, Jamaal Murray and Bruce Brown was cooking Austin Reaves on defense. His defensive rating in that series was 130.4, which would just plain awful . Even his career average when to it comes to defensive rating is 116.8, which below league average. Also what we are forgetting that Austin Reaves is going to be on other teams scouting reports this upcoming season. Is he going to be able to adjust to defenses being more foucsed on him? Is he going to be able to adjust to the fact that he's not going to get nearly as many favorable calls compared to last season? I don't see it since a lot of his game based on getting easy shots and foul baiting.
Also, MO Wagner, Dennis Schroder, etc have put up huge numbers in the FIBA cup, but no one is saying that those players could be frigne all stars or play close to a all star level. People have accepted that those guys are not even starting cailber players and are more like 6th man in Dennis case or a 8-9th guys off the bench in Mo case. Even comparing Reaves to others guys on team USA, why isn't Josh Hart, Bobby Portis, or Cam Johnson getting this sort of hype despite of them being better players than Reaves? A lot of people don't want to admit this, but all of this Reaves stuff is being driven by Lakers hype and people trying to find the next Great White American player. If Reaves wasn't white and was playing say on the Rockets or Pistons, people would've simply accepted him for who he is, which is average to below average role player, instead of hyping him to be someone who's he's never going to be.
MAMBAEMD wrote:facothomas22 wrote:Pelly24 wrote:
It feels very likely that Reaves will end up a better player than D'Angelo Russell if he isn't already. He's much more athletic with his burst and body control and strength, so his free throw rate is elite. His TS% last year was a *staggering* 69% while averaging 13 points per game. In the playoffs it stayed at 62 TS%. So it's likely that he can get *at least* 17/5/5 on league average TS% (58 TS%), and considering that LeBron and AD will still be getting the most shots, that's possibly downplaying his potential efficiency. D. Lo's lack of athleticism has always damned him as a player, and this playoff run only reaffirmed that.
Reaves is also a decent enough defender.
And to reiterate, I'm not speaking as much about Reaves literally making the all-star team. I'm asking if he can be *that* level of player.
I simply don't see it. During the Nuggets series, Jamaal Murray and Bruce Brown was cooking Austin Reaves on defense. His defensive rating in that series was 130.4, which would just plain awful . Even his career average when to it comes to defensive rating is 116.8, which below league average. Also what we are forgetting that Austin Reaves is going to be on other teams scouting reports this upcoming season. Is he going to be able to adjust to defenses being more foucsed on him? Is he going to be able to adjust to the fact that he's not going to get nearly as many favorable calls compared to last season? I don't see it since a lot of his game based on getting easy shots and foul baiting.
Also, MO Wagner, Dennis Schroder, etc have put up huge numbers in the FIBA cup, but no one is saying that those players could be frigne all stars or play close to a all star level. People have accepted that those guys are not even starting cailber players and are more like 6th man in Dennis case or a 8-9th guys off the bench in Mo case. Even comparing Reaves to others guys on team USA, why isn't Josh Hart, Bobby Portis, or Cam Johnson getting this sort of hype despite of them being better players than Reaves? A lot of people don't want to admit this, but all of this Reaves stuff is being driven by Lakers hype and people trying to find the next Great White American player. If Reaves wasn't white and was playing say on the Rockets or Pistons, people would've simply accepted him for who he is, which is average to below average role player, instead of hyping him to be someone who's he's never going to be.
This comment is way below average .
cupcakesnake wrote:I think Reaves is quietly one of the most well-rounded 2-guards in the NBA. I don't think he does anything at an elite level, but almost no one is B+ level in so many categories: shooting, scoring, playmaking, foul-drawing, decision making.
Forget team USA, look at his playoff run:
16 games, 16.9ppg on 61%ts (46/44/89 splits), 4.4 boards, 4.6 assists and just 1.9 turnovers. That is some Manu Ginobili level production.
He doesn't have 1 major skill that POPS though. He's a good but not great athlete, he's a very good shooter but doesn't create a ton of space for himself. He's unusually good at drawing fouls but doesn't have the athletic profile to force teams to foul him all the time.
But yeah I wouldn't be surprised at all if Reaves had a peak seasons where he averaged 20 and 5. I think LA would be smart to lean on him more in the regular season and keep the old man fresher.
binjumper wrote:Remember when lakers fans thought THT was going to be an all-star. It helps when you play beside a all time great and another superstar like AD.
binjumper wrote:Remember when lakers fans thought THT was going to be an all-star. It helps when you play beside a all time great and another superstar like AD.
UcanUwill wrote:MAMBAEMD wrote:facothomas22 wrote:
I simply don't see it. During the Nuggets series, Jamaal Murray and Bruce Brown was cooking Austin Reaves on defense. His defensive rating in that series was 130.4, which would just plain awful . Even his career average when to it comes to defensive rating is 116.8, which below league average. Also what we are forgetting that Austin Reaves is going to be on other teams scouting reports this upcoming season. Is he going to be able to adjust to defenses being more foucsed on him? Is he going to be able to adjust to the fact that he's not going to get nearly as many favorable calls compared to last season? I don't see it since a lot of his game based on getting easy shots and foul baiting.
Also, MO Wagner, Dennis Schroder, etc have put up huge numbers in the FIBA cup, but no one is saying that those players could be frigne all stars or play close to a all star level. People have accepted that those guys are not even starting cailber players and are more like 6th man in Dennis case or a 8-9th guys off the bench in Mo case. Even comparing Reaves to others guys on team USA, why isn't Josh Hart, Bobby Portis, or Cam Johnson getting this sort of hype despite of them being better players than Reaves? A lot of people don't want to admit this, but all of this Reaves stuff is being driven by Lakers hype and people trying to find the next Great White American player. If Reaves wasn't white and was playing say on the Rockets or Pistons, people would've simply accepted him for who he is, which is average to below average role player, instead of hyping him to be someone who's he's never going to be.
This comment is way below average .
People who don't know jack, think he is hyped only because he is white Laker. If he was black Rocket, ignorants would find it easier to accept who he is, a rising star player.
Phreak50 wrote:So the 2 (yes amazing, two whole games) he has played in the tournament mean that much?
Why not Schroeder and Hollis-Jefferson and co?
The box score vs Greece flattered him. Did you actually watch it?
He was out of control, turned the ball over, tried to turn regular passes into cringey no lookers and got phantom foul trips to the line.
He is trying way too hard to fit in and the real stars around him don’t seem to enjoy it from what body language suggests.
dockingsched wrote:Can’t wait til he gets voted a starter by the fans, which counts for half the vote. We’ll see how the media and players vote with the other 50%.
He's apparently huge there. It's basically Raptors fans on steroids, and 500x larger. lolMaxwellSmart wrote:I hate to say this, but Go Lakers....
GrindCityHustle wrote:Ckay wrote:He won't.
Lol
Are you sure he ain't the next Duka Loncic?
