Joel Embiid has become overhated

[Jadoogar]

he's properly rated. Players of this caliber, playoff performance is more important than regular season. No one is denying that he's a top 10 player but it's clear that he's not top 5 until he can stop having these meltdowns in the playoffs.

[HotelVitale]

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Has he? The man elbows someone and still has the audacity to be the one to hit the floor. Always flailing and flopping. Nobody hates him for his play, they dislike him for his antics.

Hmm, why is it 'audacious' to fall to the ground without any arm flailing or yelling after colliding with a huge guy? I could see saying you don't like the elbow being thrown but after that it almost looks like he's trying not to sell the contact there, immediately closes his mouth and puts his arms down to brace himself. How do you get to that being 'flopping and flailing'? (He also got whistled for the offensive and got a flagrant on top of it).

You're exercising these mental gymnastics to try to prove something that's so obviously wrong. Hes a dirty flopper, he has been for a while. This clip is a perfect example of both of those things yet here we are, with people STILL trying to defend his antics. How many examples do yall need

Take a breath, man. I looked at the clip and didn't see what the poster said, and we're literally in a thread about if people are over eager to hate on Embiid and find reasons to do that everywhere. Again, if you don't like the elbow here then call him out for that; but if you're looking at the fall he does here and saying 'what an audacious flop!' your narrative has taken over your eyeballs. He just falls down, with a notable lack of effort to sell a call at all.

I also watch Embiid all the time. I don't like his personality and I don't like his focus or fragile approach to competition, he's not my type of player generally speaking and it's steadily in my mind that he's going to let us down in the PO again. But I also watch him over and over again and the idea that he's constantly flailing around and that flopping is a major part of his game is just some gossip narrative. He's certainly had some high profile ridiculous flops in PO games but if that's your first thought about him and you consider yourself a basketball fan (and a not a sport radio/sports-yelling-about-invented-narratives guy) you're missing the 99.9% of who he is as a player.

[TheGeneral99]

We already know Embiid is a superstar MVP level player who can dominate a regular season.

Issue is he gets injured a lot and is completely gassed by the post-season and his level of play deteriorates. The onus is now on him to prove he can sustain this level of play in the playoffs.

That being said, I think getting rid of Doc and bringing a real tactician like Nurse who knows how to adjust will help a lot.

[Nate505]

It always astounds me that many people here can't seem to grasp that someone's personality factors into the decision on not liking a player or not.

[Hussien Fatal]

Even people who hate Embiid know how amazing he is at basketball. Embiid’s playoff woes come from him not being healthy in the playoffs. If healthy he should (and i believe he will) perform up to his regular season standards. A healthy Embiid is an unstoppable force whether it’s the regular season or the playoffs.

[Sgt Major]

Flopping and whining makes you a subject of hatred. Same thing is happening to Luka.

Luka gets nowhere near the hate and you know it, he gets some hate but not overwhelming hate. He is better in playoffs so from that perspective I understand, I just thing with Embiid it's overblown. And I'm one of his biggest critics in our board, I think we should trade him because of how mediocre he is in playoffs, but the level of hate he gets is insame.

He's getting there. And he didn't whine about the MVP, nor act as a troll on social media, so people aren't that harsh on Luka, but he needs to change his behavior as well.

Regarding Embiid - he reaps what he's sown. The internet is a mess and if you constantly make yourself a villain and then fail to deliver when it matters, keyboard warriors are coming for you.

[TheWitcher]

at some point he has to realise that Jokic is simply better.

Ah, that’s the spirit. I’m sure you’re a real competitor.

[Woodsanity]

Even people who hate Embiid know how amazing he is at basketball. Embiid’s playoff woes come from him not being healthy in the playoffs. If healthy he should (and i believe he will) perform up to his regular season standards. A healthy Embiid is an unstoppable force whether it’s the regular season or the playoffs.

His game does not translate well to playoffs. The Harden of Centers but more injury prone.

[TheWitcher]

I’m rooting hard for the Sixers this season because

#1 They somehow trigger a good number of the realgm peasantry.

#2 They have been extremely fun to watch. My oh my what a treat it would be if they come out the East somehow this year.

[KGtabake]

at some point he has to realise that Jokic is simply better.

Ah, that’s the spirit. I’m sure you’re a real competitor.

Barkley wasn't a competitor when he said that MJ was the best in the world?
Larry Bird? Magic Johnson? Clyde?
All these guys weren't competitors when they admitted the obvious?
I'm sure you know how to lose.

[LordCovington33]

I'll never forgive some Sixers/Embiid fans for how ugly the MVP "discourse" got last year.

The ugly discourse went both ways. I hope you are joking when you say you cannot forgive anonymous members on an internet forum. That sounds a little bizarre otherwise. Sorry.

[cupcakesnake]

I'll never forgive some Sixers/Embiid fans for how ugly the MVP "discourse" got last year.

The ugly discourse went both ways. I hope you are joking when you say you cannot forgive anonymous members on an internet forum. That sounds a little bizarre otherwise. Sorry.

NEVER FORGIVE! NEVER FORGET.

Ok fine I forgive you.

[Wigginstime]

I feel like this is a result of all of the Jokic vs Embiid debates. And it's only gotten worse. It got as bad as I've seen last year.

I don't necessarily agree. For me the biggest frustrations are.

1. Throwing his teammates under the bus. After loosing in the playoffs, you are supposed to take accountability. The fact that Embiid said "It take more than Harden and myself" was so cringe worth.

2. Flopping - Everyone hates flopping. Flopping gets extra attention when its done by a 7 footer who is averaging 10 fta per game.

3. Under performing in the playoffs - I understand Embiid is basically approaching the CP3 level of getting injured either right before or at the start of the playoffs every single year; however, the drop off in his performance has been atrocious

[Duke4life831]

Honestly I think he’s the most frustrating player for me to watch. And I say that because he’s so freaking skilled for his size.

But that tweet of him elbowing Nurk is kind of a perfect example of what I’m talking about. Here is a very strong 7’2 big who is athletic enough and skilled enough who is able to drive from the perimeter or go in transition. And how does the play end up?

He throws an elbow into the defender and just dives to the floor. Zero thought at all about trying to make a basketball move, zero thought of trying to score. It was all, I’m going to create contact and the second I feel contact I’m diving to the floor. Dude you’re 7’2, go up strong and try and score.

He does this all the time. And again it would be one thing if he was some physically limited player trying to find any possible way to score. But he’s so damn big and skilled, stuff like this just cheapens his game to me. And it’s now become a yearly thing. He has a fantastic regular season, but by the time the playoffs come around, he’s beat up, he doesn’t have the cardio for playoff ball and he doesn’t get as many calls and his play falls off a cliff.

So ya to me he is so frustrating because he is so damn good and he chooses to cheapen his game. If the dude got into legit shape and played straight up. He would be a beast to watch.

[WiggOuts]

Hmm, why is it 'audacious' to fall to the ground without any arm flailing or yelling after colliding with a huge guy? I could see saying you don't like the elbow being thrown but after that it almost looks like he's trying not to sell the contact there, immediately closes his mouth and puts his arms down to brace himself. How do you get to that being 'flopping and flailing'? (He also got whistled for the offensive and got a flagrant on top of it).

You're exercising these mental gymnastics to try to prove something that's so obviously wrong. Hes a dirty flopper, he has been for a while. This clip is a perfect example of both of those things yet here we are, with people STILL trying to defend his antics. How many examples do yall need

Take a breath, man. I looked at the clip and didn't see what the poster said, and we're literally in a thread about if people are over eager to hate on Embiid and find reasons to do that everywhere. Again, if you don't like the elbow here then call him out for that; but if you're looking at the fall he does here and saying 'what an audacious flop!' your narrative has taken over your eyeballs. He just falls down, with a notable lack of effort to sell a call at all.

I also watch Embiid all the time. I don't like his personality and I don't like his focus or fragile approach to competition, he's not my type of player generally speaking and it's steadily in my mind that he's going to let us down in the PO again. But I also watch him over and over again and the idea that he's constantly flailing around and that flopping is a major part of his game is just some gossip narrative. He's certainly had some high profile ridiculous flops in PO games but if that's your first thought about him and you consider yourself a basketball fan (and a not a sport radio/sports-yelling-about-invented-narratives guy) you're missing the 99.9% of who he is as a player.

With respect to the thread title I don't think he's being overly hated on, he 100% has brought this on himself with all the nonsense. I was a big fan until Doc got a hold of him and turned him into one of those clipper-esque floppers. He has the talent to be the best but he lacks maturity. You can't seriously believe someone as big and strong as him should be falling over as much as he does, its just a cheap way to play the game and most people see that.

Its funny to say that people are looking for reason to hate on him, if he's not giving reason then why would people hate, I don't get that. Personally, I like the stuff he does to rile up opposing crowds, its funny

[zero rings]

Between the flopping, whining, and playoff choking, he is a difficult player to like.

I wonder if he’ll send his idiot trainer out there to take shots at Jokic again.

[Lunartic]

Generally hate is relative to how much his fans defend him/prop him up.

We have posters in this thread insisting he doesn't flop much. It's the same Harden types that insisted he was just sooooo smart and crafty and totally didn't just throw himself to the ground after every drive. He's a flopper and it's pathetic.

Embiid doesn't do himself favors. He's a mental midget and likes to trash talk when he's winning and starts crying when he loses. Blaming everyone else for their loss. "Nooo it's Ben Simmons fault! Noooo it's the coach! Nooo it's Harden! Nooo it's doc Rivers!"
Looking forward to him blaming "haters" on realgm this season when he inevitably puts up 22ppg on .530TS on his way to a 2rnd loss to the Hawks.

Putting up gaudy RS season stats with 15+ FTA with some of the softest whistles imaginable despite being 7' and 300lbs - and then turning into trash in the PO once teams are allowed to play a bit more defense, he is just a regular season bully.

[JustBuzzin]

Embiid has that dawg in HIM!

Unfortunately he has some poodles around him.

Get that man his Jamal Murray so he can win a championship!

[Roger Murdock]

Yeah Embiid gets an unusual level of hate, he is mediocre in playoffs but really great in Regular Season, I think it's more people don't like his trolling antics and flopping. Still, not enough to hate him to the extent people do IMO.

People hate being wrong, and a lot of people picked the Sixers to go far the last couple of years. So they transfer that straight into the best player on the team.

To be fair, Embiid doesn't help his case by being terrible (by his standards) in the playoffs most times. The only time you can say he had almost no fault in the 2nd round exit was the Hawks series.

Embiid was horrible down the stretch of that Hawks series…

He was the worst player on the court game 4. If he was simply bad, instead of horrible; they go up 3-1.

He played like reg season Embiid game 5 but the team let him down and they lost.

Game 6 he was horrible again, probably the worst player on the court but Harris, Maxey, and Curry were on fire and saved him.

Game 7 he scored ok but had a million turnovers in a close loss. It was an ok game overall, but Simmons screwed up in embarrassing fashion and nobody remembers that Embiid was awful.

If Harris or Maxey doesn’t step up and save game 6, the Sixers lost in 6 with Embiid as a total chump in their last few games

[TheWitcher]

I'll never forgive some Sixers/Embiid fans for how ugly the MVP "discourse" got last year.

The ugly discourse went both ways. I hope you are joking when you say you cannot forgive anonymous members on an internet forum. That sounds a little bizarre otherwise. Sorry.

NEVER FORGIVE! NEVER FORGET.

Ok fine I forgive you.