Who Would You Rather Have: Shaedon Sharpe or Jaime Jaquez Jr

[deepeeenn]

Spoiler:

Potential is overrated. How many of these "high" potential players actually reach that potential? Very few.

I keep seeing the argument that JJJ is 22. So what? You have him for cheap untill he's 26. And you can sign him as restricted after so you basicaly have him locked untill 30. Whats so bad about that? For the 19 yo rookie you have to extend him around 22 most of the time based on potential still.

Also the argument that JJJ might not make a leap because he's already 22 , does that not apply to a 20yo? At the moment you could argue Sharpe is not doing great in an increased role. His FG is down from 47 to 41% from his rookie year. Thats a big drop.

I don’t disagree with you in some senses. Like when there was a period where teams were consistently just drafting players in the top of the lottery based on physical profile and max vert and consistently ignoring lack of skill and BBIQ as if the teams could just simply teach it.

But historically, age has been a correlated with having a lower ceiling, again historically... Plenty players break that mold but they’re typically the exception to the rule.

While it’s a bit odd to compare a thriving rookie to a somewhat slumping sophomore both playing to completely different roles on teams with different goals. Jaime is simply a more seasoned young player having played 4 seasons at UCLA. While Shae hadn’t played his lone year at UK. He’s played heavy minutes and at times played as a lead ball handler, lots of his game this year has been more about development. So I don’t put much weight on efficiency, I’m looking at what quality shots is he trying to take, how does his handle look (weakness), how’s his vision, and also how aggressive is he playing?

Again, the OPs question leaves a lot of context to be desired but if I’m building a franchise and I had to choose one to be the face, it’d be Shae. If I was the GSWs looking for help in the twilight of Steph and Klay’s career? It’d be Jaime.

[jasonxxx102]

Shaedon Sharpe at 19 was a better basketball player than JJ.

Shaedon Sharpe at 20 is a better basketball player than JJ.

Shaedon Sharpe is most likely gonna be a better basketball player than JJ at 22 unless JJ takes a Jimmy Butler esque leap.

Based on what, exactly?

Is it because Shaedon has more highlight dunks?

[turnaroundJ]

Normally you would go with the “higher ceiling” guy but Jaquez looks like he could be an all star wing or close to it. With more experience, minutes, and usage, I can’t really see why his game wouldn’t translate. He’s already backing down and outsmarting grown men of all sizes.

Shaedon has a big advantage in athleticism though. Not that Jaquez is unathletic - Shaedon is just one of those guys that springs into the air and floats. Really just an unrivaled physical gift in basketball. For this comparison though I’d like to gamble on skill this time.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Depends what you need. I like each player where they are. Blazers can use the higher upside guy, Miami the higher floor player.

[Rendei]

Give me Jaquez all day. I don't care what your "needs" are. Potential is overrated. That's why dudes like Mitchell and Brunson went overlooked, because they were "old." Production is king. Jaquez is a winning player now, as a rookie. He's an older rookie, but he's still young. He's going to get better. I don't buy into the idea that Sharpe has the higher ceiling just because he's younger, either.

[Mavrelous]

Jaquez is a better player right now, a rotation player on a competetive team, Sharpe isn't reallu close, but Sharpe is young, athletic and has all the tools to become a star.

[hickfromfrenchlick]

If you put them in the draft with the information we have right now, JJJ will go first.

I'm not going to deep dive into their numbers but from a glance JJJ's shot profile is great and he is scoring on very high efficiency, it looks sustainable. His usage is already on the high end for a role player.

Sharps shot profile and usage is similiar, but he struggles majorly with efficiecy and is below nba average. He gets fewer steals and has a lower ast/to ratio.

At this point you just bank on potential, but getting to those efficiecy numbers JJJ is posting up right now will be difficult for Sharp, as he is not getting to the rim as much and is more reliant on the 3p shot.

You’re welcome to believe and support Jaime however within reason you’d like but I’d disagree with most of your points here especially your first.

Teams still draft largely based on potential and on the business side that usually comes with its ability to spark interest in a fan base and increase marketing and sales. Shae would go #1 over Jaime based on what we know right now even with how well Jaime has been playing. Age still plays a part because how it’s tied to growth expectations. I’d love to revisit this conversation 4 more years into their careers.

As far as shot profile and efficiency, a lot of that is tied to role. I won’t dive into it either because I’m not going to get too serious about this but Jaime is playing a supporting role on that Heat team while Shae had for most of this year played as one of the lead roles on the Blazers. Offenses and defenses engage the two differently very differently. And while I respect how well Jaime is playing, it’s hard for me to ignore that. If I were to ask Jaime to play a similar role say as a 1st option
on a rebuilding team, I’d be comfortable saying he’d wouldn’t have the same shooting efficiency.

It can be easier to succeed in a defined role as an ancillary player like Jaime especially with his player qualities on a team that historically is well coached and has players that buy in. Versus a player like Shae that is on a team with most players trying to figure out who they are and how they want to play.

As someone who doesn’t have a dog in this fight, I think this is 100% right.

[VaDe255]

If you put them in the draft with the information we have right now, JJJ will go first.

I'm not going to deep dive into their numbers but from a glance JJJ's shot profile is great and he is scoring on very high efficiency, it looks sustainable. His usage is already on the high end for a role player.

Sharps shot profile and usage is similiar, but he struggles majorly with efficiecy and is below nba average. He gets fewer steals and has a lower ast/to ratio.

At this point you just bank on potential, but getting to those efficiecy numbers JJJ is posting up right now will be difficult for Sharp, as he is not getting to the rim as much and is more reliant on the 3p shot.

As far as shot profile and efficiency, a lot of that is tied to role. I won’t dive into it either because I’m not going to get too serious about this but Jaime is playing a supporting role on that Heat team while Shae had for most of this year played as one of the lead roles on the Blazers. Offenses and defenses engage the two differently very differently. And while I respect how well Jaime is playing, it’s hard for me to ignore that. If I were to ask Jaime to play a similar role say as a 1st option
on a rebuilding team, I’d be comfortable saying he’d wouldn’t have the same shooting efficiency.

It's 22% usage for SS and 19.6% usage for JJJ, there is barely any difference in their roles. JJJ is already getting major closing minutes and regularly the toughest defensive assignments.

The main difference for me is that JJJ is clearly impacting winnig on a playoff team. Last year when he played at UCLA, he had a 27.9% usage and the highest win share rating on the team. He has been the go to guy before and his usage on the Heat is likely going to increase.

JJJ has major Jimmy Butler vibes. Is far ahead of what Jimmy was offensively when he entered the league, but not as good on defense.

I don't see how anyone would take SS over JJJ with the information we have right now. It's not even clear that SS can be a winning player, yet. He has talent but his inefficiency and small impact on Blazers winning is the main reason, reflected in his adanced stats and win shares that are at the very bottom of his team.

[hauntedcomputer]

You can keep the tools, gimme Jaime. He done built the engine.

[threethehardway]

It's 22% usage for SS and 19.6% usage for JJJ, there is barely any difference in their roles. JJJ is already getting major closing minutes and regularly the toughest defensive assignments.

The main difference for me is that JJJ is clearly impacting winnig on a playoff team. Last year when he played at UCLA, he had a 27.9% usage and the highest win share rating on the team. He has been the go to guy before and his usage on the Heat is likely going to increase.

JJJ has major Jimmy Butler vibes. Is far ahead of what Jimmy was offensively when he entered the league, but not as good on defense.

I don't see how anyone would take SS over JJJ with the information we have right now. It's not even clear that SS can be a winning player, yet. He has talent but his inefficiency and small impact on Blazers winning is the main reason, reflected in his adanced stats and win shares that are at the very bottom of his team.

There is a big difference in their roles, if people just stop looking at stats.

Shaedon Sharpe is being tasked with being a budding star on a losing team. He's being allowed to experiment and try different things that he most likely not good at and probably never will be good at. His job isn't to win games, it is to see if he can become a superstar.

On the flipside, JJJ had 4 years of college to carve out what works for him and then landed on the best coached team in the NBA and the best organization. He's playing for a championship coach, with playoff experienced players.

Shaedon Sharpe went from high school to tanking team. If he was playing for Miami or the Warriors, all they would ask him to do is cut, run the break, play defense and shoot 3s. He would be no different than Jonathan Kuminga, who isn't allowed to do more because the Warriors got expectations to be in the championship hunt with their established core.

Age, coaching and expectations matter.

The fact that Shaedon Sharpe can go out there and hold his own and not look like a complete bum despite coming straight from HS holds more in his favor than a guy that played 4 years in college, got to develop his game, then go to the Heat and play in their system.

[BBallFreak]

It's 22% usage for SS and 19.6% usage for JJJ, there is barely any difference in their roles. JJJ is already getting major closing minutes and regularly the toughest defensive assignments.

The main difference for me is that JJJ is clearly impacting winnig on a playoff team. Last year when he played at UCLA, he had a 27.9% usage and the highest win share rating on the team. He has been the go to guy before and his usage on the Heat is likely going to increase.

JJJ has major Jimmy Butler vibes. Is far ahead of what Jimmy was offensively when he entered the league, but not as good on defense.

I don't see how anyone would take SS over JJJ with the information we have right now. It's not even clear that SS can be a winning player, yet. He has talent but his inefficiency and small impact on Blazers winning is the main reason, reflected in his adanced stats and win shares that are at the very bottom of his team.

There is a big difference in their roles, if people just stop looking at stats.

Shaedon Sharpe is being tasked with being a budding star on a losing team. He's being allowed to experiment and try different things that he most likely not good at and probably never will be good at. His job isn't to win games, it is to see if he can become a superstar.

On the flipside, JJJ had 4 years of college to carve out what works for him and then landed on the best coached team in the NBA and the best organization. He's playing for a championship coach, with playoff experienced players.

Shaedon Sharpe went from high school to tanking team. If he was playing for Miami or the Warriors, all they would ask him to do is cut, run the break, play defense and shoot 3s. He would be no different than Jonathan Kuminga, who isn't allowed to do more because the Warriors got expectations to be in the championship hunt with their established core.

Age, coaching and expectations matter.

The fact that Shaedon Sharpe can go out there and hold his own and not look like a complete bum despite coming straight from HS holds more in his favor than a guy that played 4 years in college, got to develop his game, then go to the Heat and play in their system.

Does it, though?

I would think a coach like Spoelstra, on a team like Miami, trusting a rookie to play every minute of the 4th quarter, while performing the way he has, would hold more weight. Do you think he'd trust Sharpe with the same role?

I mean, we could grab anyone from the G League, hand then to keys to the franchise, and let them go at it and undoubtedly, some would put up decent numbers, but that doesn't make them franchise players.

If Jamie Jaquez and Shaeden Sharpe were to change places, do you think Coach Billups would trust Jamie to play big minutes and take a larger role?

[Charlesareed]

For sharpe to reach full potential the blazers need to move simons plus hire a better coach

[kenwood3333]

If players like Siakam can become multi time all star I don't see how Jaquez can't be.

[BBallFreak]

If players like Siakam can become multi time all star I don't see how Jaquez can't be.

Agreed. I see Jaquez capping out around 22 points 7 boards, and 2 steals a game with some great defense and hustle plays. I think that's strong contention for all-Star most years. Kind of a Shawn Marion type of player. He's going to be a winning player in this league for a long time to come.

[Wargreymon]

Easily my guy Shaedon Sharpe from London, Ontario where I’m from. Forest City represent. He may not be as good a shooter as JJJ but he has superior athleticism.

[scrabbarista]

Jaquez plays better on Christmas Days!

[Bornstellar]

For my team I'd pick Sharpe since he has a higher ceiling, imo. But Jaquez is more likely to reach his potential and be an impact player for years to come

[Lalouie]

ya know,,,smart players DO GET SMARTER

and i think smart players get smarter faster than athletic do, because i dont think athletic players "get smart" so much as they get more accustomed. in fact, lemme take the word "players" out of the equation and just say this - smart PEOPLE will always be smarter than less smart people and they will get smarter faster and more. athletic(physical) people will always have a physical ceiling. ss is already at his ATHLETIC CEILING. he's not going to jump 6" higher 8yrs from now.

bird was smart his whole career,,,luka will always be smarter than anyone else. lebron has always been smart. smartness doesn't go away.
why do you think people have thought that westbrook and rose would fall off the cliff, and here we have conley as vital as ever....and cp3 is finally slowing down after 21years

the power of what goes on upstairs is grossly underestimated in smart players and the POTENTIAL of intellectual growth is grossly overestimated in athletic players - the josh smith hawks proved a bunch of players with nothing going on upstairs can spend their whole careers playing with mischievous brain cells

[threethehardway]

Does it, though?

I would think a coach like Spoelstra, on a team like Miami, trusting a rookie to play every minute of the 4th quarter, while performing the way he has, would hold more weight. Do you think he'd trust Sharpe with the same role?

I mean, we could grab anyone from the G League, hand then to keys to the franchise, and let them go at it and undoubtedly, some would put up decent numbers, but that doesn't make them franchise players.

If Jamie Jaquez and Shaeden Sharpe were to change places, do you think Coach Billups would trust Jamie to play big minutes and take a larger role?

Shaedon Sharpe came into the league at 19 years old and jumped from high school to the pros and has to be a star.

Nobody is asking Jaime Jaquez to be a star. All they are asking of him is to not mess up and play hard.

People need to compare players according to age and their role.

Why would the Trailblazers want a 22 year old player, drafted late in the first and has shown Joe Ingles/Gordon Hayward level of play at best?

It's not like Jaime would have a larger role on the team anyway, he'll have to contend with Anfernee Simons, Malcolm Brogdon, Jerami Grant, and Deandre Ayton. All four are selfish ass players on a tanking team.

Shaedon gets froze out all the time. The reason why he gets minutes is because he is being pushed to be a star. Jaime would have to steal minutes from Matisse or Toumani.

Shaedon wouldn't even play on the Heat unless he could do all the little things that is required or he is needed to be an athletic sparkplug to make splash plays. And I doubt the Heat would expect him to be a star level player, the ceiling to his game would be limited because he wouldn't be allowed to try things in game that he has no business trying.

It's like what Josh Hart said a while ago, he spent his whole summer practicing pick and roll, ball handling, and shooting off the dribble. Then Lebron comes and he's standing in the corner, taking spot up shots that he did not focus on and he struggled that year.

He went from promising young player about to take on a larger role, to a 3 and D guy in one season.

Shaedon Sharpe and Jaime Jaquez are doing two different things with two different expectations.

[Gert42]

Gordon Hayward is a bad comp, at least for your argument, if Jacquez looks like Final three years in Utah Hayward, Miami will love that!