Re: Time to put some RESPECK on Kobe's name...(Going back to back ain't so easy is it?)
Posted: Tue May 7, 2024 6:57 pm
Ah yes we’ve now hit that point in time where we now pretend Kobe’s teams weren’t any good.
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DoctorX wrote:He had a stacked team that no team could matchup with size wise. He lucked out with the Perkins injury in the '10 Finals. When he finally ran into a team that had size to matchup with his team's twin towers in the '11 Mavs he got swept out of the playoffs.
Those Lakers team strategy was Kobe shoots a bunch of bricks, but they have Gasol, Odom, Bynum to clean up his bricks with countless offensive rebounds. Eventually after shooting a bunch of bricks Kobe then gets hot and the Lakers win the game. Rinse and repeat from '08-'10.
Kobe's killer instinct was pretty much useless unless he had a dominate big in Shaq to cover up his bricks or a trio of all-star caliber bigs in Gasol, Bynum, Odom to clean up his bricks. I still remember Kobe shooting 8-24 in game 7 of the 2010 finals only to be bailed out by Gasol.
Handlez wrote:DoctorX wrote:Handlez wrote:
First line..."He had a stacked team."
Goodness gracious.
Whatever.
having 3 all-star caliber bigs in Gasol, Bynum, Odom in which 2 of them are 7ft while the other is a legit 6'10 is not stacked? On top of that the Lakers got Artest right at the end of his prime to help them win '10.
Bynum 2008 playoffs...didn't play.
Bynum 2009 playoffs...6.3 and 3.7 in 17 minutes per game.
Bynum 2010 playoffs...8.6 and 6.9 in 24 minutes. (Was actually a big contributor)
He made one all-star team after the Lakers were finished.
Odom never made an all-star team.
Fadeaway_Jumper wrote:Kobe has too many haters on this board for people to give him serious credit
Your favorite player needed a superteam to go back to back. Duncan and his stacked spurs with the supposed greatest coach of all time couldn’t even do it. Kobe & Pau were definitely a problem
Effigy wrote:Handlez wrote:Effigy wrote:Durant went back to back too. Does he get RESPECK?
I RESPECK him.
But obviously you know these are different circumstances lol.
I really don't. How are they different? They both won back to back titles. And both only did it once their teams got stacked and struggled before. They're different because Kobe forced his way to the Lakers on draft night, and KD signed with the Warriors?
Chokic wrote:Not to totally get off subject but this is why kobe should be rated higher on all time list than shaq. Shaq never wins a three peat w/o kobe. Shaq won 1 riding off coattails off wade. Kobe won back to back titles w/ a pedestrian roster w/o him. And then you can add in the much longer prime for good measure. Shaq only had a higher peak than kobe.
GrandTheftRondo wrote:Ah yes we’ve now hit that point in time where we now pretend Kobe’s teams weren’t any good.
gottamakeit wrote:Kobe fans worship at the Kobe altar. He is a deity to you guys. And you're here protolyzing your religion. You can see how annoying it is.
Ironically your zealotry in pushing up Kobe's legacy, it might be taking the shine off it.
gottamakeit wrote:Kobe fans worship at the Kobe altar. He is a deity to you guys. And you're here protolyzing your religion. You can see how annoying it is.
Ironically your zealotry in pushing up Kobe's legacy, it might be taking the shine off it.
JR Hawks wrote:You can thank KG's injury for that back to back.
Handlez wrote:GrandTheftRondo wrote:Ah yes we’ve now hit that point in time where we now pretend Kobe’s teams weren’t any good.
We're not pretending anything.
Kobe had a solid supporting cast, but it was not great for a back to back to back finals team.
Good solid roster that exceeded their talent due to Kobe's DAWG mentality.
To put it into perspective, only Hakeem had less help for a back to back championship team.
Right when posters gottta go with the three all-star capable big man stretch it's just shows what level of legit gas lighting or just lack of understanding you have to deal with just to have a truthful conversations where you can give legends there due and still be rationale around hereHandlez wrote:DoctorX wrote:Handlez wrote:
First line..."He had a stacked team."
Goodness gracious.
Whatever.
having 3 all-star caliber bigs in Gasol, Bynum, Odom in which 2 of them are 7ft while the other is a legit 6'10 is not stacked? On top of that the Lakers got Artest right at the end of his prime to help them win '10.
Bynum 2008 playoffs...didn't play.
Bynum 2009 playoffs...6.3 and 3.7 in 17 minutes per game.
Bynum 2010 playoffs...8.6 and 6.9 in 24 minutes. (Was actually a big contributor)
He made one all-star team after the Lakers were finished.
Odom never made an all-star team.
Handlez wrote:DoctorX wrote:Handlez wrote:
First line..."He had a stacked team."
Goodness gracious.
Whatever.
having 3 all-star caliber bigs in Gasol, Bynum, Odom in which 2 of them are 7ft while the other is a legit 6'10 is not stacked? On top of that the Lakers got Artest right at the end of his prime to help them win '10.
Bynum 2008 playoffs...didn't play.
Bynum 2009 playoffs...6.3 and 3.7 in 17 minutes per game.
Bynum 2010 playoffs...8.6 and 6.9 in 24 minutes. (Was actually a big contributor)
He made one all-star team after the Lakers were finished.
Odom never made an all-star team.
Handlez wrote:After seeing the Nuggets struggle, that back to back looking mighty hard, eh?
Kobe went to back to back to back finals and won back to back titles with a good roster, but certainly not an otherworldly roster.
First finals team...
Kobe
Pau
Lamar
Sasha
Vladimir
Fisher
Those players played the most minutes and were the biggest contributors. How the hell do you beat that Boston team with THAT? Kobe's second option averaged 14.7.
Second finals team that beat Magic...
Kobe
Pau
Lamar
Arizona
Fisher
Those players played the most minutes and were the biggest contributors. Kobe's second option averaged 18.6.
Third finals team that won back to back titles...
Kobe
Pau
Lamar
Artest
Fisher
Bynum
Those players averaged the most minutes and were the biggest contributors. Kobe's second option averaged 18.6.
People will talk advanced stats or percentages or whatever, but Kobe was beyond that. The man was a stone cold killer and did anything he could to win. A lot of what he did won't show up in any stat. He did a great job of breaking down defenses with his elite post play that collapsed the defense, but wouldn't necessarily lead to any stat we can zero in on. He swung the ball out of countless double teams and eventually it'd lead to good shots that would also tire the defense as they were scrambling. And Kobe was an elite defender when it mattered. If Kobe knew he had a chance to win a title, he locked in defensively in the playoffs.
And of course, I'm not even talking about anything he did with Shaq.
Kobe most underrated of all time.