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sp6r=underrated wrote:

UcanUwill wrote:Wow, American justice system aint fooling around. I have said this, but my garbage place is the opposite, you can honestly kill a person and probably get less... I think the right system would be somewhere in between, and altho such harsh law enforcing is one concervative thing I prefer, but thats freaking harsh man, crazy.

A consistent finding in criminal justice research is that certainity of punishment does a better job stopping crime than severity of punishment.

The US is a high crime society because we do a terrible job solving crimes and try to make up for it by over-punishing people.

Yeah I work in criminal justice and this is very true. Politicians and enforcement folks always front on how 'strong'/tough they are by talking about sentencing and zero tolerance etc and never by how what they're doing, like, works. Part of the unfortunate fact that almost nothing about our system is set up to work or be the best idea. Politicians generally control every aspect of enforcement and prosecution policy and direction, and they generally have zero interest in what works and are instead 100% motivated by what reaction or attitude they think their voters want to hear. Crime's going up? I'm your savior and will hire more police now, don't care what they're actually doing or if they even have some idea of how they can address it. Crime's going down? Great job police or (for those on the left) whatever random community group is taking credit for the drop, don't care what the factors really are and how to continue them going in that direction. It's all just following the winds rather than trying to direct them.

EDIT: also if you think 3.5 years for a pretty significant long-term fraud scheme sounds excessive, Ucan, you wouldn't last ten minutes in the average US court.

Wow, you can prosecute a baby to prison in the US? what's next?

HotelVitale wrote:

sp6r=underrated wrote:

UcanUwill wrote:Wow, American justice system aint fooling around. I have said this, but my garbage place is the opposite, you can honestly kill a person and probably get less... I think the right system would be somewhere in between, and altho such harsh law enforcing is one concervative thing I prefer, but thats freaking harsh man, crazy.

A consistent finding in criminal justice research is that certainity of punishment does a better job stopping crime than severity of punishment.

The US is a high crime society because we do a terrible job solving crimes and try to make up for it by over-punishing people.

Yeah I work in criminal justice and this is very true. Politicians and enforcement folks always front on how 'strong'/tough they are by talking about sentencing and zero tolerance etc and never by how what they're doing, like, works. Part of the unfortunate fact that almost nothing about our system is set up to work or be the best idea. Politicians generally control every aspect of enforcement and prosecution policy and direction, and they generally have zero interest in what works and are instead 100% motivated by what reaction or attitude they think their voters want to hear. Crime's going up? I'm your savior and will hire more police now, don't care what they're actually doing or if they even have some idea of how they can address it. Crime's going down? Great job police or (for those on the left) whatever random community group is taking credit for the drop, don't care what the factors really are and how to continue them going in that direction. It's all just following the winds rather than trying to direct them.

EDIT: also if you think 3.5 years for a pretty significant long-term fraud scheme sounds excessive, Ucan, you wouldn't last ten minutes in the average US court.

Sam "FTX" Bankman-Fried was sentenced to 25 years.

Hopefully they get his pension too as penalty…

This video will forever be legendary

And Rick Scott walked away rich and is now a senator

Never change, murica

tundraknight wrote:This video will forever be legendary

Brutal, man. Feel like I need a shower and a shot after watching this.

sp6r=underrated wrote:

UcanUwill wrote:Wow, American justice system aint fooling around. I have said this, but my garbage place is the opposite, you can honestly kill a person and probably get less... I think the right system would be somewhere in between, and altho such harsh law enforcing is one concervative thing I prefer, but thats freaking harsh man, crazy.

A consistent finding in criminal justice research is that certainity of punishment does a better job stopping crime than severity of punishment.

The US is a high crime society because we do a terrible job solving crimes and try to make up for it by over-punishing people.

This is a great way to out it. Always knew severe punishments weren't helpful but totally makes sense consistency is key

nikster wrote:

sp6r=underrated wrote:

UcanUwill wrote:Wow, American justice system aint fooling around. I have said this, but my garbage place is the opposite, you can honestly kill a person and probably get less... I think the right system would be somewhere in between, and altho such harsh law enforcing is one concervative thing I prefer, but thats freaking harsh man, crazy.

A consistent finding in criminal justice research is that certainity of punishment does a better job stopping crime than severity of punishment.

The US is a high crime society because we do a terrible job solving crimes and try to make up for it by over-punishing people.

This is a great way to out it. Always knew severe punishments weren't helpful but totally makes sense consistency is key

I'll try to dig up the articles but the reason for it basically is criminals are comically short-term in their thinking. So the length of punishment just doesn't register with them but the odds of being caught does.

I suspect, but don't know that the rare exemptions would be folks like the Enron crew or Madoff. These white collar criminals running very sophisticated fraud schemes probably do weigh severity of punishment along with likelihood of getting caught in their decision making.

I wonder how much money he had left in order for him to do something so stupid. I'm assuming he lived a lavish lifestyle, but wasn't getting paid like a star.

HotelVitale wrote:

sp6r=underrated wrote:

UcanUwill wrote:Wow, American justice system aint fooling around. I have said this, but my garbage place is the opposite, you can honestly kill a person and probably get less... I think the right system would be somewhere in between, and altho such harsh law enforcing is one concervative thing I prefer, but thats freaking harsh man, crazy.

A consistent finding in criminal justice research is that certainity of punishment does a better job stopping crime than severity of punishment.

The US is a high crime society because we do a terrible job solving crimes and try to make up for it by over-punishing people.

Yeah I work in criminal justice and this is very true. Politicians and enforcement folks always front on how 'strong'/tough they are by talking about sentencing and zero tolerance etc and never by how what they're doing, like, works. Part of the unfortunate fact that almost nothing about our system is set up to work or be the best idea. Politicians generally control every aspect of enforcement and prosecution policy and direction, and they generally have zero interest in what works and are instead 100% motivated by what reaction or attitude they think their voters want to hear. Crime's going up? I'm your savior and will hire more police now, don't care what they're actually doing or if they even have some idea of how they can address it. Crime's going down? Great job police or (for those on the left) whatever random community group is taking credit for the drop, don't care what the factors really are and how to continue them going in that direction. It's all just following the winds rather than trying to direct them.

EDIT: also if you think 3.5 years for a pretty significant long-term fraud scheme sounds excessive, Ucan, you wouldn't last ten minutes in the average US court.

It's all about the talking points for them. My current favorite is "I created X amount of housing", completely neglecting all the infrastructure needs that go along with an influx of housing/people.

UcanUwill wrote:Wow, American justice system aint fooling around. I have said this, but my garbage place is the opposite, you can honestly kill a person and probably get less... I think the right system would be somewhere in between, and altho such harsh law enforcing is one concervative thing I prefer, but thats freaking harsh man, crazy.

lol

Sackler clan still enjoying billions in freedom
Rick Scott
Brett Favre

Etc etc

Edrees wrote:Wow, you can prosecute a baby to prison in the US? what's next?

You obviously haven't seen this documentary about toddler crime gangs

Edrees wrote:Wow, you can prosecute a baby to prison in the US? what's next?

Somehow not a former president though...

trevorthyme wrote:

Edrees wrote:Wow, you can prosecute a baby to prison in the US? what's next?

Somehow not a former president though...

Send Justin Castro my regards.

Insurance companies are the real criminals here

Nate505 wrote:

UcanUwill wrote:Wow, American justice system aint fooling around. I have said this, but my garbage place is the opposite, you can honestly kill a person and probably get less... I think the right system would be somewhere in between, and altho such harsh law enforcing is one concervative thing I prefer, but thats freaking harsh man, crazy.

I have many, many complaints about the US justice system and think we tend to oversentence people, but I have very little sympathy for those who are defrauding people who need medical services. I detest thieves in general, but when the thief is a rich **** stealing from a fund meant to support people to live, they can really sit and rot in prison for a long time for all that I care.

This times infinity.....

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