NBA Exploring Starting New Tournament Or League In Europe

[UcanUwill]

Invite Euro teams to the In Season Tournament, now THAT would be something that brings excitement. I am sure Euroleague teams wouldn't mind that prize pool, and incentivize them even more by offering them money to participate.

I think the target audience is a bit different from lots of Euroleague. Euro countries with strong Basketball tradition, Lithuania, Serbia, Greece, these countries always cared about Euroleague far more, and will continue to do that. NBA is a niche there even among Basketball fans, many basketball fans from those regions do not care for NBA at all and they do not like it even,

I think the target he, are countries like France, Germany, UK. Countries with strong economic power and marker, but also countries where local Basketball is not big, so it would be far easier to enroll these markets into NBA family, they not already super passionate about European competitions there.

That said, we had this same exact threads even 20 years ago. This is nothing new, but still sounds like a pipe dream. As Euro and Euroleague fan, I used to be very skeptical of this, I hate NBA product, but as I look at it now, if t helps growing the sport in these countries where Basketball is not popular, I do not see problem.

Interesting to see if the Euro league maximum of 2 Americans per team applies. Can't believe the NBA would stand for that crap.

Which leagues still have that? Every domestic league is different and might still have some foreign player limit, but obviously this wouldn't be that... Its an NBA thing we are talking about, as been said, it would be interesting how NBA socialist market model would work in Europe, not sure they need EU permission to operate like NBA does, they are closed business, but if they do, thats the real problem. NBA rule system is far more screwed up than anything Euros have.

[Jabroni Lames]

Good luck convincing the European Union about thigns like Draft, Maximum salary, Cap space, Forcful trade of workers to other destinations etc etc etc.

Your politicians may turn a blind eye to the nba acting as a mob, being sorta comunist, going against freedom of market, violating antitrust laws etc.

EU WILl NOT-

EU had no problem with NFL Europe. No need to be so politically overly dramatic.

[DoItALL9]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/44431535/nba-fiba-take-next-steps-new-european-league


In what ways is this going to be better for American basketball viewers?
European basketball viewers?


What teams/franchises have to die in Europe for this to happen?

[DoItALL9]

Does Nba Europe before or after expansion to Seattle & Las Vegas?

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[Big J]

I like it in principle. Not sure how players would feel about the extra travel on a regular basis or whether these would be a separate tournament or whether it would be a mix like the in-season cup.

There was a Euro coach recently who challenged I think the Cs for true World Champion status, well we may be a step or two closer to getting just that and finding out.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/276913/NBA-Exploring-Starting-New-Tournament-Or-League-In-Europe

Why wouldn’t the players like it? Free trip to Europe on the company dime sounds awesome.

[G R E Y]

I like it in principle. Not sure how players would feel about the extra travel on a regular basis or whether these would be a separate tournament or whether it would be a mix like the in-season cup.

There was a Euro coach recently who challenged I think the Cs for true World Champion status, well we may be a step or two closer to getting just that and finding out.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/276913/NBA-Exploring-Starting-New-Tournament-Or-League-In-Europe

Why wouldn’t the players like it? Free trip to Europe on the company dime sounds awesome.

Yes. But then jet lag in games that count is different for teams that go vs. those that don't. I'm sure there would be enough adjustment time, but then that has a trickle down effect of other games being closer together, possibly with weird travel. It's clunky without a Concord.

[Jasen777]

In what ways is this going to be better for American basketball viewers?
European basketball viewers?

NBA just wants some of that Euro money. The don't care if it makes a better European basketball experience.

[Sofia]

Doesn’t matter if **** ain’t right at home, just gotta keep fighting for a bigger slice of pie

[durden_tyler]

Should happen if Euro wants their leagues/players to be known, because they are not really that popular.

[Big J]

Doesn’t matter if **** ain’t right at home, just gotta keep fighting for a bigger slice of pie

Celtics just sold for $6 billion. That tells them that **** is right at home.

[UcanUwill]

Doesn’t matter if **** ain’t right at home, just gotta keep fighting for a bigger slice of pie

Celtics just sold for $6 billion. That tells them that **** is right at home.

They just announced that they pricing this EURO NBA franchice at 500 million. Sorry, but no one will spend 500 million on that, I don't care you have NBA IP, this league will not be that successful. They are inviting franchices that don't even have Basketball tradition at all, PSG, Manchester is heavily in a plans, this is just sad attempt at money grab that sounds like colosal failure in a making.

Should happen if Euro wants their leagues/players to be known, because they are not really that popular.

If you don't care for EUro ball now, why should you if its under NBA umbrella? Cause these teams will make NBA 2k lol? They are targetting markets that probably couldn't even find 100 people who know what basketball is, how is Manchester going to sustain a 500 million worth Basketball team?

Best thing about Euro basketball is that its not NBA. Is that their main existence is for amenity reasons, not to money rasons. Because their timeouts are 55 seconds longs, instead of 3 minutes, because they trying to make product fun to watch first, make money second, not the other way around.

In this NBA europe scenario, what do you get? You still get worse players than NBA, but you also get NBA's monetization and you have franchices and markets that has zero Basketball tradition. This is a product for nobody, they aren't doing this because they want to improve something, they just trying to cash grab another market. I think they soon will realize that just putting NBA brand on random things does not guarantee success.

[durden_tyler]

Doesn’t matter if **** ain’t right at home, just gotta keep fighting for a bigger slice of pie

Celtics just sold for $6 billion. That tells them that **** is right at home.

They just announced that they pricing this EURO NBA franchice at 500 million. Sorry, but no one will spend 500 million on that, I don't care you have NBA IP, this league will not be that successful. They are inviting franchices that don't even have Basketball tradition at all, PSG, Manchester is heavily in a plans, this is just sad attempt at money grab that sounds like colosal failure in a making.

Should happen if Euro wants their leagues/players to be known, because they are not really that popular.

If you don't care for EUro ball now, why should you if its under NBA umbrella? Cause these teams will make NBA 2k lol? They are targetting markets that probably couldn't even find 100 people who know what basketball is, how is Manchester going to sustain a 500 million worth Basketball team?

Best thing about Euro basketball is that its not NBA. Is that their main existence is for amenity reasons, not to money rasons. Because their timeouts are 55 seconds longs, instead of 3 minutes, because they trying to make product fun to watch first, make money second, not the other way around.

In this NBA europe scenario, what do you get? You still get worse players than NBA, but you also get NBA's monetization and you have franchices and markets that has zero Basketball tradition. This is a product for nobody, they aren't doing this because they want to improve something, they just trying to cash grab another market. I think they soon will realize that just putting NBA brand on random things does not guarantee success.

Should get eyeballs for the Euro players at least because currently no one cares about them (unless they are playing for national teams, which is another story).

[LuDux1]

Silver is saying correct things
"Whatever we do here, I think it’s important that it’s additive to the European basketball structure," said Silver. (ESPN)

"In virtually every major European city, there are basketball ecosystems," Silver explained. "The question is whether other potential owners—given the opportunity—would step forward and express interest in owning a club in that market.(https://basketnews.com/news-221907-adam-silver-reveals-the-potential-format-of-the-nba-europe-league.html)

[CumberlandPosey]

remember that nba is only league thats profitable.every other pro league is loosing money."product first,money second" only works if you have deep private pockets.

[LuDux1]

Speaking of ecosystems, here's idea that will make one third of Lithuania retch: Silver organizes Zoom with Vilnius mayor, Rytas' CEO and Wolves' owner and says: "join forces and you will have a permanent place in our league."

[UcanUwill]

Should get eyeballs for the Euro players at least because currently no one cares about them (unless they are playing for national teams, which is another story).

Maybe there is truth to is, because I always complain how lazy NBA GM's job is. They probably couldn't name 10 non NBA players and thats why we live in a world where Alex Len is in the NBA for 10 years, where centers ten times better than him haven't played a single NBA game. But from fan perspective, you do not care for European ball, will you care even a little if its NBA's league and they make NBA.com sometimes? I do not think you will care, and big problem, that is far from guarantee that this NBA Europe league will be best European league. Euroleague has all the teams that has Basketball traditions, generations of fans. NBA Europe targeting Marchester, PSG, these markets don't care for basketball for starters, how will they compete with teams like Panathinaikos, Olympiacos, Partizan, Maccabi? Just cause NBA twitter will shout them out and they have NBA logo on, wont change the fact those are new franchices in markets known to have very little basketball interest. This is very uphill mountain they have to climb, they sound like they just form the league and these franchices will instantly be worth 500 million dollars, like do not make me laugh.

The saddest part about this, is that they aren't even hiding their true intentions. During Paris trip this was main topic, and Silver only talked how he thinks leagues like Euroleague leaves so much money on the floor, and how they could do it much better. They only want to make money, means product will have same trash unappealing NBA model, but they wont even have players or teams that matter. So how is this appealing, currently, International basketball has far better product, the only reason to endure NBA is because they have best players. If they don't have best players, what do they have? I wont tune in to a game that has NBA level timeouts and stoppage time, but also has Eurocup level players. Its a laughable proposition. Silver is targetting Soccer markets, I think he will have hard realization that these people aren't watching any sports that will have 3 minute timeouts constantly, thats not how these sports fans are raised, they are raised on Soccer, not Hand egg, they will turn off the chanell as soon as you start doing baby races on court and **** like that.

[UcanUwill]

remember that nba is only league thats profitable.every other pro league is loosing money."product first,money second" only works if you have deep private pockets.

Not true. Most Euro teams are formed on municipality support, not private money. It is seen as amenity to people, not real business, and thats why the product is good, because their goal is to make it good for people to enjoy. NBA's job is to make money, and they will undermine product as much as they can as long as they make more money. Thats why Euro games just flows so much better, the only superior thing NBA has is the players. If they dont have that, why do I watch? I would never watch Basketball game with NBA pacing, but no NBA players, it sounds horrible. Not like PSG Basketball team will sign Jason Tatum or Luka Doncic, they AT BEST be at Euroleague level, and even that is best case scenario.

[CumberlandPosey]

european ball is already cannibalizing itself with four international leagues plus league and cup so another league backed by real money is a thousand times better than what is going on now.
you also grossly overestimate fans.thats ball and not football where you have organized support/ultra scene and a bit of a pull against the system.bball is all about money and panathinaikos singing "horto magiko".thats it.a shell.
ask yourself why the nba is succesful and euroleague not.
would i prefer nba staying out of european system.yes but if your intention is to make money then the best time is now and thats what the owners will do.

[UcanUwill]

Speaking of ecosystems, here's idea that will make one third of Lithuania retch: Silver organizes Zoom with Vilnius mayor, Rytas' CEO and Wolves' owner and says: "join forces and you will have a permanent place in our league."

Teams like Rytas and Wolves just feels like WAY too small a fish for the NBA, they are targeting biggest European markets and biggest Football brands. But thing is, even tho Rytas and especially Wolves are pretty irrelevant teams, but at least they have fanbase and market that cares for Basketball, I think those teams would actually make more sense. I think things like Manchester CIty and PSG just sounds like collosal flop waiting to happen, but Man City and PSG are HUGE brands, globally more popular than NBA itself most likely, so thats what they want. They all look at global potential, they are counting on working with greatest Football teams and making them part of the NBA. Rytas and Wolves, nobody knows what that is, and even tho it would be safer bet, it actually makes sense from Basketball perspective, but if NBA is targeting middle of the pack Eurocup and FIBA CL teams, they might as well don't even announce this expansions, because its not worthy of a topic. So they basically making FIBA CL 2 in that case, like who cares. At least Man City and PSG sounds global.

[LuDux1]

Europeans while talking to Europeans: "Euroleague is terrible, referees are terrible, games last 3 hours, no local players.. everything'd terrible"
Europeans while talking to Americans: "Euroleague rules NBA drools"