OT: Djoker Becomes Undisputed GOAT

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Re: OT: Djoker Becomes Undisputed GOAT 

Post#21 » by Hellcrooner » Sun Aug 4, 2024 6:37 pm

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Hellcrooner wrote:undisputed my ass.

He is behind Nadal and federer.

he has only taken advantage of the other two being older and with poor health that made them miss a lot gs.


Go look at Federer’s competition when he was winning the first bulk of his majors. Novak had much tougher competition over the course of his career.



the second leg of djokovic with fed out and nadal injured every wednesday and friday and in teh last few years simply out he has padded his numbers playhing against PATHETIC competition until alcaraz showed up ( who by the way is not all that great, but at least he is decent competition unlike the previos " next gen" that were hands down crap).
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Re: OT: Djoker Becomes Undisputed GOAT 

Post#22 » by therealbig3 » Sun Aug 4, 2024 6:40 pm

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therealbig3 wrote:This was undisputed for a while. He’s beaten Fed at Wimbledon and Nadal at the French. And he’s smashed the GS record.



nadal has beaten fed at wimbledon and djokovic at Us and Aus.


Nadal is a one trick pony compared to Fed and Djoker. He’s nowhere near the GOAT on any surface other than clay. He’s not an all time great on either hard surface or grass.

As far as Djoker vs Fed, Fed was older when Djoker started beating him, but he was still pretty consistently losing to him.
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Re: OT: Djoker Becomes Undisputed GOAT 

Post#23 » by DirtyDez » Sun Aug 4, 2024 6:43 pm

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Hellcrooner wrote:undisputed my ass.

He is behind Nadal and federer.

he has only taken advantage of the other two being older and with poor health that made them miss a lot gs.


Go look at Federer’s competition when he was winning the first bulk of his majors. Novak had much tougher competition over the course of his career.



the second leg of djokovic with fed out and nadal injured every wednesday and friday and in teh last few years simply out he has padded his numbers playhing against PATHETIC competition until alcaraz showed up ( who by the way is not all that great, but at least he is decent competition unlike the previos " next gen" that were hands down crap).


So now longevity and resetting the age of domination in your sport is being used against him. Got it. And no, Alcatraz is far better than anyone Federer faced in his early years.
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Re: OT: Djoker Becomes Undisputed GOAT 

Post#24 » by Message Boar » Sun Aug 4, 2024 6:44 pm

He's at the same time the GOAT -at least to me, but I wouldn't quite say undisputed- and the least memorable/inspiring/beloved of the big three.

He's a bit like LeBron; great longevity, lots of titles spread over a long period (okay, that's the worst part of the comparison), and a game that was surely dominant, if not always the most fun to watch, and a somewhat unlikable personality (but not extremely so).
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Re: OT: Djoker Becomes Undisputed GOAT 

Post#25 » by EmpireFalls » Sun Aug 4, 2024 6:56 pm

That was a truly amazing performance. I didn’t believe he had a chance at all today. As for undisputed, I think that he has the best numbers now clearly, but that’s not all that makes a GOAT.
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Re: OT: Djoker Becomes Undisputed GOAT 

Post#26 » by Sgt Major » Sun Aug 4, 2024 6:57 pm

Lol Fedal fans are butthurt. :lol:


Novak is the GOAT
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Re: OT: Djoker Becomes Undisputed GOAT 

Post#27 » by FreeBird23 » Sun Aug 4, 2024 7:05 pm

He was the GOAT even before this gold medal.
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Re: OT: Djoker Becomes Undisputed GOAT 

Post#28 » by maverick_41 » Sun Aug 4, 2024 7:19 pm

Djoker is nice.

But it was Marat Safin who took three hookers to the Australian Open Finals in 2002. Undisputed GOAT.
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Re: OT: Djoker Becomes Undisputed GOAT 

Post#29 » by SFour » Sun Aug 4, 2024 7:22 pm

Message Boar wrote:He's at the same time the GOAT -at least to me, but I wouldn't quite say undisputed- and the least memorable/inspiring/beloved of the big three.

He's a bit like LeBron; great longevity, lots of titles spread over a long period (okay, that's the worst part of the comparison), and a game that was surely dominant, if not always the most fun to watch, and a somewhat unlikable personality (but not extremely so).


Lebron in a world where there's no MJ....so the goat basically.
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Re: OT: Djoker Becomes Undisputed GOAT 

Post#30 » by rzzzzz » Sun Aug 4, 2024 7:31 pm

Joker is a very strong candidate for GOAT, but not undisputed. The fact is the game changed dramatically with the approval of synthetic large headed racquets. (I’m so appreciative that MLB resisted SI’s campaign to allow metal/composite bats. Not only would the scores be ridiculous, but the entire infield would have to wear catcher gear.) The small headed wood racquets placed an emphasis on sheer speed and anticipation. Which is why more tournaments were won by younger players, and even the best players tended to retire by the time they were 30. (Ken Rosewall being the notable exception.) Serve and volley vs baseliners was an interesting match-up, as opposed to today’s game where the obvious tactic is to set up to wallop the ball with maximum top spin. Pete Sampras and Martina were the last to charge the net relentlessly, and a joy to watch. Though so was the graceful Evonne Goolagong and magnificent Bjorn Borg (who skipped the long flight to Australia like most pros back then, and had trouble playing under the lights in the US Open finals, but won everything else before retiring prior to age 25.) And, of course, Rod Laver won a Grand Slam as an amateur, and then was not allowed to compete in the majors for the next 7 years until they became “Open”, and then won another grand slam. How many more majors would he have won? So oranges and apples. I much prefer the wood era, but marvel at the success of today’s aging phenoms. Of which, Joker is definitely no slouch.
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Re: OT: Djoker Becomes Undisputed GOAT 

Post#31 » by BelgradeNugget » Sun Aug 4, 2024 7:39 pm

Undispued GOAT, not a single argument for anyone else.
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Re: OT: Djoker Becomes Undisputed GOAT 

Post#32 » by Clav » Sun Aug 4, 2024 7:42 pm

It was a fun match, really entertaining points throughout and the two tiebreaks to close it off in two sets is epic for Djokovic. Alcaraz was steadier in his play than some of his Championship run at Wimbledon, but the tiebreaks hurt to lose two.... admirable effort, but Novak hit some stellar winners in the breakers today -- He's also keeping himself in it with his return-of-serve -- a major component of his win for Olympic Gold.
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Re: OT: Djoker Becomes Undisputed GOAT 

Post#33 » by AleksandarN » Sun Aug 4, 2024 8:15 pm

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Hellcrooner wrote:undisputed my ass.

He is behind Nadal and federer.

he has only taken advantage of the other two being older and with poor health that made them miss a lot gs.

whats his record like against them before they got older?



Between 2008 and 2012, when all of them where kinda prime ( late prime for fed )

NADAL: 4 RG 2 WB 1 US 1 AUS total = 8
DJOKOVIC: 1 Wb 1 US 3 Aus total = 5
FEDERER: 1 RG* 2 Wb 1 Aus total= 4


*nadal was injured



Head to head in grand slam finals.

Nadal 11 vs djokovic 7
Nadal 10 vs Federer 4
Djokovic 11 vs federer 6



sorry but "undisputed" goat my ass.

Novak’s prime did not start at 2008. Why you got to lie man.
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Re: OT: Djoker Becomes Undisputed GOAT 

Post#34 » by AleksandarN » Sun Aug 4, 2024 8:22 pm

maverick_41 wrote:Djoker is nice.

But it was Marat Safin who took three hookers to the Australian Open Finals in 2002. Undisputed GOAT.

Boy that nothing. Truly the goat

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Re: OT: Djoker Becomes Undisputed GOAT 

Post#35 » by ITYSL » Sun Aug 4, 2024 8:29 pm

Sampras and Federer were always my favorites growing up. As I got older, I gained a great appreciation for Nadal, especially as he became successful beyond clay.

But yep, Djoker is the GOAT. Hard to argue otherwise.

I do find it unfortunate that racquet improvements have led to a single playstyle in the game. Takes away some of the intrigue of different players being able to win with different styles of play. But you can't take away from what Djoker has done because of that.
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Re: OT: Djoker Becomes Undisputed GOAT 

Post#36 » by Mavrelous » Sun Aug 4, 2024 8:53 pm

Cherry on top of a great career, GOAT by every metric, we're lucky to have witnessed all 3 greats.
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Re: OT: Djoker Becomes Undisputed GOAT 

Post#37 » by rzzzzz » Sun Aug 4, 2024 9:48 pm

maverick_41 wrote:But it was Marat Safin who took three hookers to the Australian Open Finals in 2002. Undisputed GOAT.


The Safin-Federer Australian Semi of 2005 may have been the best match I ever saw. (Though its tough to beat that classic Borg-McEnroe Wimbledon Final.)
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Re: OT: Djoker Becomes Undisputed GOAT 

Post#38 » by QPR » Sun Aug 4, 2024 10:15 pm

He already was the greatest male player but he'll never be loved like Fed and Nadal were and you know it kills him
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Re: OT: Djoker Becomes Undisputed GOAT 

Post#39 » by therealbig3 » Sun Aug 4, 2024 10:23 pm

QPR wrote:He already was the greatest male player but he'll never be loved like Fed and Nadal were and you know it kills him


The funny thing is, he was a goof ball early on, constantly clowning around, was a way more interesting personality than Federer or Nadal. I'm sure the passion to win was always there, but he was a genuinely fun dude at the same time.

Then I think he got a little cynical and overly serious, probably with some of the controversies he's had. So now he's boring and seen as kind of a douche, and he never got that admiration that Federer or Nadal did.
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Re: OT: Djoker Becomes Undisputed GOAT 

Post#40 » by wade44 » Sun Aug 4, 2024 10:25 pm

GOAT **** only. He’s way above the rest until Alcaraz blows his accolades out of the water years from now

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