Is Jamal Murray washed?

[Sixers in 4]

He has skill of course, but he’s never struck me as particularly athletic, at least compared to his position, and now with the injuries, idk, he needs to find his shot.

I think the Nugs should trade him, he’s a killer in the playoffs sure, but you need consistency around the best player in the league. He should have made atleast one all star by now, and now I don’t think he’ll ever be able to.

great idea, this is the best moment to trade him
what return do you expect?

[The High Cyde]

He has skill of course, but he’s never struck me as particularly athletic, at least compared to his position, and now with the injuries, idk, he needs to find his shot.

I think the Nugs should trade him, he’s a killer in the playoffs sure, but you need consistency around the best player in the league. He should have made atleast one all star by now, and now I don’t think he’ll ever be able to.

great idea, this is the best moment to trade him
what return do you expect?

I’m not sure, I’m not in the Nugs front office. They need to work some magic though, Jokic will get injured at this rate. That contract is an anchor around their neck for sure. I love watching Jokic play as much as possible, but these minutes will take a toll. And who knows, there might be a malcontent star that demands a trade to Denver to play with Joker. But I’m not sure that’s even possible now with the CBA. Just sucks to see Jokic having to carry so much, I mean it’s great for us fans, but I just don’t want him out for an extended amount of time.

[og15]

Just wait til he faces Lakers. He'll look like maple jordan.

Don't say that, just because everyone does It ... I mean, recently Lakers/Spurs game friggin Castle going off

Any and every player goes off vs Lakers, but put them In Laker uniform they're a no body

There's a role player or less known player who goes off every night somewhere, and this is why every fan base seems to feel that a random role player is going off against them frequently, but it's happening to everyone.

And understandably, we don't acknowledge/view it the same way when our own teams role players go off against someone else, but that's reasonable, because to us, they should perform very well once in a while. For example, rookie Knecht dropping 19 on 7/8 vs the Grizzlies, Grizzlies fans would feel like why is this rookie going off on us, but as a fan of the team with the player, one would feel, "well he's good and a good shooter, and he will have game like this".

[GeorgeSears]

He has skill of course, but he’s never struck me as particularly athletic, at least compared to his position, and now with the injuries, idk, he needs to find his shot.

I think the Nugs should trade him, he’s a killer in the playoffs sure, but you need consistency around the best player in the league. He should have made atleast one all star by now, and now I don’t think he’ll ever be able to.

He's athletic in the sense that he has hops. He can posterize people if he gets full head of steam.

The problem with Murray is lack of quickness - in particular, lateral quickness. It's why teams put their forwards on him on the defensive end.

[Exp0sed]

atrocious contract, low i.q player to begin with

they really botched Jokic's historic prime with this contract extention

[TinmanZBoy]

Jamal’s handle is flashy, but never efficient… he dribbles a lot, but most of the time he could not shake off anyone, he does not have quick first step… he is a good shooter though, he needs to simplify his approach, shoot more in rhythm… ditch those unnecessary dribble…. Never a great playmaker, average at best…. Could defend well at times, but the effort is not always there…. He is paid like a superstar, but he can’t carry a team alone… he likes to play like a superstar, yet he does not have it… he went off in the bubble and 2023 plyayoffs, truly superstar level, got to give him credit on that…

[Ryoga Hibiki]

6 months ago, before the injury, he was playing great.
too early to know if this is his new normal or what

He was never playing great. He was just hot in a couple of playoff games where his dumb shots kept falling in. He was always a slow, dumb chucker that hit a lucky streak.

that was after his injury. post ASG he average 22.6/6.6 with .61ts.
if Denver get 90% of that Murray back, they are a tier 1 contender

[Ryoga Hibiki]

He has skill of course, but he’s never struck me as particularly athletic, at least compared to his position, and now with the injuries, idk, he needs to find his shot.

I think the Nugs should trade him, he’s a killer in the playoffs sure, but you need consistency around the best player in the league. He should have made atleast one all star by now, and now I don’t think he’ll ever be able to.

great idea, this is the best moment to trade him
what return do you expect?

I’m not sure, I’m not in the Nugs front office. They need to work some magic though, Jokic will get injured at this rate. That contract is an anchor around their neck for sure. I love watching Jokic play as much as possible, but these minutes will take a toll. And who knows, there might be a malcontent star that demands a trade to Denver to play with Joker. But I’m not sure that’s even possible now with the CBA. Just sucks to see Jokic having to carry so much, I mean it’s great for us fans, but I just don’t want him out for an extended amount of time.

I am not the Nuggs FO either, but try to look it from the other perspective.
Imagine being the GM of any team that might want Murray. What team is that? What would you offer?
If Denver is trading him, that automatically tanks his value. Why should I bet on him when his own team doesn't believe he can recover? That would be basically a salary dump.

[Effigy]

great idea, this is the best moment to trade him
what return do you expect?

I’m not sure, I’m not in the Nugs front office. They need to work some magic though, Jokic will get injured at this rate. That contract is an anchor around their neck for sure. I love watching Jokic play as much as possible, but these minutes will take a toll. And who knows, there might be a malcontent star that demands a trade to Denver to play with Joker. But I’m not sure that’s even possible now with the CBA. Just sucks to see Jokic having to carry so much, I mean it’s great for us fans, but I just don’t want him out for an extended amount of time.

I am not the Nuggs FO either, but try to look it from the other perspective.
Imagine being the GM of any team that might want Murray. What team is that? What would you offer?
If Denver is trading him, that automatically tanks his value. Why should I bet on him when his own team doesn't believe he can recover? That would be basically a salary dump.

Right, and Point guard is the easiest position to fill. If you look at the good teams, who really needs a point guard? Miami or the Lakers maybe, but what do they have to trade that you'd want back?

[The High Cyde]

great idea, this is the best moment to trade him
what return do you expect?

I’m not sure, I’m not in the Nugs front office. They need to work some magic though, Jokic will get injured at this rate. That contract is an anchor around their neck for sure. I love watching Jokic play as much as possible, but these minutes will take a toll. And who knows, there might be a malcontent star that demands a trade to Denver to play with Joker. But I’m not sure that’s even possible now with the CBA. Just sucks to see Jokic having to carry so much, I mean it’s great for us fans, but I just don’t want him out for an extended amount of time.

I am not the Nuggs FO either, but try to look it from the other perspective.
Imagine being the GM of any team that might want Murray. What team is that? What would you offer?
If Denver is trading him, that automatically tanks his value. Why should I bet on him when his own team doesn't believe he can recover? That would be basically a salary dump.

Hmm well yes you are correct from the other sides perspective. That is true for many teams, but it’s not like it’s never happened before, maybe Murray is wanted to become a low key tank commander, cause I don’t think he’d lead a team anywhere, he’s just not good enough consistently and is injury prone. This other team would want to rebuild somehow. Maybe the Hawks with Trae? I could maybe see Lillard if Milwaukee wants to reset, they barely have anything else to trade. The options are slim for sure, its why I said it would take some magic to make it happen. Murray would for sure have to play better here to remotely make any of this happen.

But really, this is on the Nugs front office for handing him that extension, it’s just too much. You could say Murray is money in the playoffs, but I don’t think you can bank on that, he’s injured too often. I don’t know, it seems the franchise is stuck with him. Best you can hope for is he stays healthy long enough with good to great production in the regular season, and turning it up in the postseason.

[MarcusBrody]

I’m not sure, I’m not in the Nugs front office. They need to work some magic though, Jokic will get injured at this rate. That contract is an anchor around their neck for sure. I love watching Jokic play as much as possible, but these minutes will take a toll. And who knows, there might be a malcontent star that demands a trade to Denver to play with Joker. But I’m not sure that’s even possible now with the CBA. Just sucks to see Jokic having to carry so much, I mean it’s great for us fans, but I just don’t want him out for an extended amount of time.

I am not the Nuggs FO either, but try to look it from the other perspective.
Imagine being the GM of any team that might want Murray. What team is that? What would you offer?
If Denver is trading him, that automatically tanks his value. Why should I bet on him when his own team doesn't believe he can recover? That would be basically a salary dump.

Hmm well yes you are correct from the other sides perspective. That is true for many teams, but it’s not like it’s never happened before, maybe Murray is wanted to become a low key tank commander, cause I don’t think he’d lead a team anywhere, he’s just not good enough consistently and is injury prone. This other team would want to rebuild somehow. Maybe the Hawks with Trae? I could maybe see Lillard if Milwaukee wants to reset, they barely have anything else to trade. The options are slim for sure, its why I said it would take some magic to make it happen. Murray would for sure have to play better here to remotely make any of this happen.

But really, this is on the Nugs front office for handing him that extension, it’s just too much. You could say Murray is money in the playoffs, but I don’t think you can bank on that, he’s injured too often. I don’t know, it seems the franchise is stuck with him. Best you can hope for is he stays healthy long enough with good to great production in the regular season, and turning it up in the postseason.

Yeah I have posted similar thoughts before, but I just don't understand the early extension. Who did they think they were bidding against? Was there really a danger of Murray leaving in free agency next summer if he played well and they waited to offer him a max? There is barely a team in the league that will have the capspace to offer a FA a max salary. Brooklyn was the only real option that I could see that would both have a lot of cap space and need a guard.

[Woodsanity]

He has skill of course, but he’s never struck me as particularly athletic, at least compared to his position, and now with the injuries, idk, he needs to find his shot.

I think the Nugs should trade him, he’s a killer in the playoffs sure, but you need consistency around the best player in the league. He should have made atleast one all star by now, and now I don’t think he’ll ever be able to.

He isnt even a positive asset with that contract. Its pointless to trade him now.

Shouldn't have paid him that much to begin with. Same with MPJ.

[MarcusBrody]

He has skill of course, but he’s never struck me as particularly athletic, at least compared to his position, and now with the injuries, idk, he needs to find his shot.

I think the Nugs should trade him, he’s a killer in the playoffs sure, but you need consistency around the best player in the league. He should have made atleast one all star by now, and now I don’t think he’ll ever be able to.

He isnt even a positive asset with that contract. Its pointless to trade him now.

Shouldn't have paid him that much to begin with. Same with MPJ.

I thought that should have waited on MPJ as well, but I thought even that was more understandable than Murray's extension. There at least seemed like there might be room for growth with MPJ. He has improved in some of them. He's still overpaid, but I think people overrate how bad a contract it is. I'd rather have him at 30->35 than 35->40, but I think we're talking 5 million.

[AleksandarN]

Jokic out tomorrow aswell let’s see if Murray can step up

[Wolfgang630]

Isn’t he ONLY 27? Should he not be entering his prime? This doesn’t make logical sense with how he’s playing

[MarcusBrody]

Isn’t he ONLY 27? Should he not be entering his prime? This doesn’t make logical sense with how he’s playing

I think he will improve. He's not that old and has a history of coming back a bit slow from injuries, so I think if that was the issue, he will continue to get back to normal. I'd be shocked if he was truly washed at 27, but if he loses much lateral quickness, he could drop a good bit.

[tsherkin]

Isn’t he ONLY 27? Should he not be entering his prime? This doesn’t make logical sense with how he’s playing

Piles of mobility injuries don't do small guards any favors.

[MrPainfulTruth]

Murray had one great playoff run. He lives off that image since then. The worst thing about him is not his streaky shooting, its his horrible low iq decision making and that cannot be cured. One of the most overrated and overpaid players in the league.

[Zadeh]

Without Jokic, Murray at best only could be bench player.
And denver front office gives this man 50 million per year.
It is probably worst contract ever because it's blocked directly their championsip. GSW get Buddy Hield for nothing in trade involved with Denver. Denver lost their backup pg and get to many second round pick.
Could you imagine Hield in Denver.

Without Jokic, when murray is healthy, Denver played 18 games in last three years. (Include last night Pelican game)
Murray didnt play 10 of them. Like Draymond when Curry off.

When play they are get 3 wins aganist injury depleted teams. There is at least 30 players much better than Murray in this league.
Denver front office prefer spend Jokic's prime with this guy. This guy is untradeble with this contract, nobody give a **** for him.

[jokeboy86]

Not washed he's just been overrated for so long. Because of the playoff bubble and also the title winning season people have probably been overrating Murray as a #2. His ideal role would be as a #3 because I think the Nuggets FO has put way too much pressure on him to be a solid consistent #2 year in and year out. Ideally the Nuggets would have had a more dynamic sg or sf all this time but MPJ is basically a slightly better Rashard Lewis so all the pressure is on Jokic to create for the players who can't create their own shot and Murray whose body probably can't handle it at this point.