At what point do Lakers fans owe Darvin Ham an apology?

[Triple M]

Why are people so concerned at what Laker fans think about their players and coaches. The fixation is a bit weird for me

[AleksandarN]

lol. Tell me you don't watch Lakers' basketball without telling me you don't watch Lakers' basketball.

Seriously. At this point i don't know how it's not trolling.

Look at all of his threads he starts should tell you. He still thinks Embiid is greater than Jokic lol

[OfficialRef]

They owed him an apology long ago, it won't happen now.

Laker fans love to exaggerate and play the victim- acting like Ham is the worst coach in the history of the NBA is dumb.

[Godymas]

Why are people so concerned at what Laker fans think about their players and coaches. The fixation is a bit weird for me

because they are a toxic mess that throws their championship level coaches under the bus after 1 bad season

[og15]

I think the team is going to turn on JJ. Eventually the treatment of Austin Reaves and Bronny + poor performance is going to undermine everything he has to say.

After a while the “I’m a sicko” + “I’ll be in a dark basement watching film for the next 2 days” is gonna start raining hollow. The favoritism is gonna be evident and has a particularly bad taste to it. It’s all shaping up to be a **** show.


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How is he treating Reaves and Bronny?

Reaves has been a mess defensively and has been playing selfish basketball since DK has started thriving. He’s taken horrible shots, over dribbled and just looks out of it at times. This is a lot of what JJ said DLo did before benching him. However, when Reaves is doing it, seems like he is continuing to reward him.

JJ framed the narrative with Bronny as “He earned this, nothing was given.” However he has looked like a bum and it seems like he faked an injury and now gets recalled over Quincy. This is all while Bronny looked like one of the worst players on the G league team.

What message does that send? Looks like a dynamic where people aren’t held to the same standard. And when that happens people question decisions and leadership crumbles. Its may hold up when you are winning, but the Lakers aren’t good.


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With the Reaves one, okay, makes sense. With the Bronny one, any coach the Lakers had was basically handicapped to that situation though. Obviously no coach is going to say, "we just gave this to him because his dad is on the team and basically handcuffed us to doing it"

[Mk0]

They owe Vogel an apology. Ham was pretty awful. Like I don't see anyone else giving him a HC job again awful.

*Maybe he gets the interim tag and converts that to HC? He is with Doc atm so that isn't happening anytime soon.

[jc23]

all fans are delusional when it comes to their teams coach.

[Tottery]

Never. He never took accountability. He lost the locker room from constantly throwing players under the bus. Reddick needs to mind his words or the same will happen.

Also, Dlo played a lot better last season. He is struggling right now. James looks more gassed than ever and there have been roster changes.

They won't be legit contenders until they acquire 2 way players and fans know that.

? He lost the locker room?

Frank Vogel also “lost the locker room”

At what point does it become clear who controls the locker room and deserves the blame?

Vogel didn't lose the locker room. He couldn't make WB work so Pelinka fired him. Though, Pelinka is responsible for that mess. Ham was changing the lineup like JJ is doing, but blamed the players often. Not to mention all the other questionable decisions.

https://www.si.com/nba/lakers/news/lakers-news-la-fans-weren-t-only-people-stunned-by-darvin-ham-coaching-gaffe-ak1987

[SweaterBae]

lol. Tell me you don't watch Lakers' basketball without telling me you don't watch Lakers' basketball.

Seriously. At this point i don't know how it's not trolling.

It is. Everyone put him on ignore, or at the very least stop replying.

[JustBuzzin]

Guys the Lakers are not winning a championship unless they trade for another superstar.

LeBron is 40 he can no longer be your 1st or 2nd option on a championship team. Please stop expecting greatness from the Lakers. Their run is over.

[SOUL]

Fans overrate how much coaches are to blame in the general on the floor in an 82 game season. Monty Williams isn't as good as a 64 win head coach and not as bad as a 14 win one.

A lot of it is managing egos and getting players to buy in. You can earn your money in the playoffs when you game plan for the same team and have to adjust to their adjustments, running out of time out plays, making the tough decision to bench/play specific guys, but the on-court decision making often gets blamed on the coaches when players have a lot of autonomy when it comes to that.

To quote Anthony Edwards:

"That’s not our game plan. **** we're doing on defense, that’s not what the coach is telling us to do We’re supposed to be doing a totally different thing and we go out there and like try to manipulate in our mind, that we’re smarter than the coaches. And just- I don’t man, it’s crazy right now.”

[Cavsfansince84]

At the end of the day Ham deserved to be fired. If JJ doesn't get much in the way of results in 2-3 years he will probably share the same fate.

[MikeJax]

lol. Tell me you don't watch Lakers' basketball without telling me you don't watch Lakers' basketball.

God what a loser that you are, please explain.

[MikeJax]

He was never the problem, just the scapegoat. LeBron is 40 and isn't good enough anymore to drag a team to the finals. This roster as constructed is going to be a play in team fighting for the 7-10 seed with a ceiling of getting bounced in the first round. They were never serious contenders.

07 finals in the east? That"s the one you're talking about right??

[Lo Wang]

So far JJ Redick has taken virtually the same Lakers roster with an actual slam dunk of a draft pick to a worse outcome than Darvin Ham at this point in the season.

At the end of November the Lakers were 11-9 last year. Today the Lakes are currently 11-8.

However, the outcome is worse because the Lakers have been knocked out of the NBA Cup while Ham's Lakers, as we know, would go on to win the NBA Cup.

The NBA Cup was not a wash, that same Pacers team that the Lakers beat would go on to make the ECF in the playoffs that year.

The Lakers are a different team this year. Ham had the Lakers play with pace. They were 2nd and 3rd in the league in pace. Additionally, the Lakers were closer to average in terms of their defense and offense with a barely positive net rating. Under JJ's tenure the Lakers have had one of the worst defenses in the NBA and are winning games off their offense. Their pace is significantly slower too. Their net rating is negative and implies their record is better than their actual performance.

Now obviously there are minute differences between this year and last year. LeBron is a year older, Dalton Knecht is the rookie rather than the bust Jalen Hood Schifino. Taurean Prince is not on the team anymore.

But to blame Darvin Ham when he was responsible for pushing the Lakers to that WCF appearance is a bit extreme. Btw, the Lakers lost to the same team in the playoffs two years in a row under Darvin Ham. There is only so much a coach can do against a clear mismatch of rosters.

JJ is a far superior coach than Darvin. He's quick to make lineup changes and experiment, something Ham is not known for. His Xs and Os are way better. I also like how JJ is putting the ball in Lebron's hands which is the same strategy as the lone Vogel championship year.

Note* I know I harp a lot about stats, but I think this is a clear example of why stats don't tell the whole story. Ham and JJ have the same record, but that is not an accurate assessment of how they are as coaches. There are a multitude of factors that make a great coach; relying on stats alone ignores these factors.

[MikeJax]

At no point.

When did you start having a lakers logo under your username there? Just wondering.

[MikeJax]

Why are people so concerned at what Laker fans think about their players and coaches. The fixation is a bit weird for me

Hey celtic fan, to me personally it's because i always viewed him as a bball fraud who chased greatness with stats,
politics and his media and business minions pretending he's a goat. Can't dribble, no footwork no moves lol.

It's just funny how his fans blamed everyone, it's at a level where it's absolutely comical. I saw it coming.

[MikeJax]

So far JJ Redick has taken virtually the same Lakers roster with an actual slam dunk of a draft pick to a worse outcome than Darvin Ham at this point in the season.

At the end of November the Lakers were 11-9 last year. Today the Lakes are currently 11-8.

However, the outcome is worse because the Lakers have been knocked out of the NBA Cup while Ham's Lakers, as we know, would go on to win the NBA Cup.

The NBA Cup was not a wash, that same Pacers team that the Lakers beat would go on to make the ECF in the playoffs that year.

The Lakers are a different team this year. Ham had the Lakers play with pace. They were 2nd and 3rd in the league in pace. Additionally, the Lakers were closer to average in terms of their defense and offense with a barely positive net rating. Under JJ's tenure the Lakers have had one of the worst defenses in the NBA and are winning games off their offense. Their pace is significantly slower too. Their net rating is negative and implies their record is better than their actual performance.

Now obviously there are minute differences between this year and last year. LeBron is a year older, Dalton Knecht is the rookie rather than the bust Jalen Hood Schifino. Taurean Prince is not on the team anymore.

But to blame Darvin Ham when he was responsible for pushing the Lakers to that WCF appearance is a bit extreme. Btw, the Lakers lost to the same team in the playoffs two years in a row under Darvin Ham. There is only so much a coach can do against a clear mismatch of rosters.

JJ is a far superior coach than Darvin. He's quick to make lineup changes and experiment, something Ham is not known for. His Xs and Os are way better. I also like how JJ is putting the ball in Lebron's hands which is the same strategy as the lone Vogel championship year.

Note* I know I harp a lot about stats, but I think this is a clear example of why stats don't tell the whole story. Ham and JJ have the same record, but that is not an accurate assessment of how they are as coaches. There are a multitude of factors that make a great coach; relying on stats alone ignores these factors.

I'm not convinced about your opinion

[Lo Wang]

So far JJ Redick has taken virtually the same Lakers roster with an actual slam dunk of a draft pick to a worse outcome than Darvin Ham at this point in the season.

At the end of November the Lakers were 11-9 last year. Today the Lakes are currently 11-8.

However, the outcome is worse because the Lakers have been knocked out of the NBA Cup while Ham's Lakers, as we know, would go on to win the NBA Cup.

The NBA Cup was not a wash, that same Pacers team that the Lakers beat would go on to make the ECF in the playoffs that year.

The Lakers are a different team this year. Ham had the Lakers play with pace. They were 2nd and 3rd in the league in pace. Additionally, the Lakers were closer to average in terms of their defense and offense with a barely positive net rating. Under JJ's tenure the Lakers have had one of the worst defenses in the NBA and are winning games off their offense. Their pace is significantly slower too. Their net rating is negative and implies their record is better than their actual performance.

Now obviously there are minute differences between this year and last year. LeBron is a year older, Dalton Knecht is the rookie rather than the bust Jalen Hood Schifino. Taurean Prince is not on the team anymore.

But to blame Darvin Ham when he was responsible for pushing the Lakers to that WCF appearance is a bit extreme. Btw, the Lakers lost to the same team in the playoffs two years in a row under Darvin Ham. There is only so much a coach can do against a clear mismatch of rosters.

JJ is a far superior coach than Darvin. He's quick to make lineup changes and experiment, something Ham is not known for. His Xs and Os are way better. I also like how JJ is putting the ball in Lebron's hands which is the same strategy as the lone Vogel championship year.

Note* I know I harp a lot about stats, but I think this is a clear example of why stats don't tell the whole story. Ham and JJ have the same record, but that is not an accurate assessment of how they are as coaches. There are a multitude of factors that make a great coach; relying on stats alone ignores these factors.

I'm not convinced about your opinion

Which part?

Knetch is already in the starting lineup. Under Ham, I doubt he'll get any real minutes. JJ completely overhauled the Xs and Os. I mean, if you want to deep dive in the plays we can do that. His IQ is much higher than Ham's.

[QPR]

Why would a fanbase apologise to a bad coach?