2024-25 NBA DPOY and All-Defense discussion

[Dacost]

Jaren jackson Jr. ...Why is no body mention it.

[Bornstellar]

Chet was starting to build an ironclad case but since he got hurt his chances are shot. It's likely going to be Wemby, if the Wolves are not that good.

The fact that the Thunder defense is still so good without him is kind of hurting his case too, imo

[Bob Ross]

OG has been a monster this year but the team defense sucks

[doogie_hauser]

No Derrick White on this thread is a joke.

Not saying he will win it, but he is a lot better than some of the players named in the poll (which I will not name)

[MartyConlonJr]

Bam Adebayo has been voted 3rd, 4th (twice) and 5th (twice) for DPOY including 3rd last year.

Not saying he should win, but he should be on the poll. Most advanced stats backed up his impact ahead of other guys, especially where his versatility came in.

I do think he is unlikely to win due to lack of raw stats in blocks, steals etc when someone like Wemby fills the defensive box score. But if Wemby doesn't meet the games played criteria (very possible), and the Gobert fatigue sets in, then Bam is probably next in line. Heat will need to probably improve their record a bit more for him to qualify impact wise though.

[brackdan70]

No Derrick White on this thread is a joke.

Not saying he will win it, but he is a lot better than some of the players named in the poll (which I will not name)

His impact stats on D are a little off this year compared to last. Still would rather have him on the floor when it matters compared to most of the guys in the poll

[brackdan70]

Wemby probably wins, but really Gobert is probably the best defender so far this year. Thompson making a case to be all D. Guys with limited minutes like Caruso and Issac probably shouldn’t be on the list.

[Rust_Cohle]

Wemby probably wins, but really Gobert is probably the best defender so far this year. Thompson making a case to be all D. Guys with limited minutes like Caruso and Issac probably shouldn’t be on the list.

I’d argue the difference between wemby on/off the floor is far bigger than gobert defensively

[Kineto]

Wemby probably wins, but really Gobert is probably the best defender so far this year. Thompson making a case to be all D. Guys with limited minutes like Caruso and Issac probably shouldn’t be on the list.

I’d argue the difference between wemby on/off the floor is far bigger than gobert defensively

I voted for Wemby in the poll, but I don't really like the "on/off the floor" stat for defensive measurement. It depends way too much on the strength of the backup.

All that tells us is that Collins is a catastrophic defender.

[OkcSinceSGA]

Chet was starting to build an ironclad case but since he got hurt his chances are shot. It's likely going to be Wemby, if the Wolves are not that good.

The fact that the Thunder defense is still so good without him is kind of hurting his case too, imo

Hasn't that been the case in Wemby's two seasons? Spurs defense is better with him on the bench? Or was it just last year? I think Draymond is deserving of DPOY this year. He's having a monster end on that year and GS is the 4th ranked defense, 2nd seed out west and wasn't expected to be anywhere near that. Gobert would be my #2.

[Bornstellar]

Chet was starting to build an ironclad case but since he got hurt his chances are shot. It's likely going to be Wemby, if the Wolves are not that good.

The fact that the Thunder defense is still so good without him is kind of hurting his case too, imo

Hasn't that been the case in Wemby's two seasons? Spurs defense is better with him on the bench? Or was it just last year? I think Draymond is deserving of DPOY this year. He's having a monster end on that year and GS is the 4th ranked defense, 2nd seed out west and wasn't expected to be anywhere near that. Gobert would be my #2.

Huh? I don't think that is the case at all. Pretty sure the team was solid defensively with him on the court and plummeted to close to worst in the league with him off. Not sure where to look these stats up though, just going based off memory

That also isn't the same as what I said...I did not say Thunder are better without Chet, that would be asinine. I'm saying they are still far and away the best defensive team in the NBA currently without him, so him being DPOY seems suspect given his team is full of elite defensive players

[phanman]

Chet was starting to build an ironclad case but since he got hurt his chances are shot. It's likely going to be Wemby, if the Wolves are not that good.

The fact that the Thunder defense is still so good without him is kind of hurting his case too, imo

Hasn't that been the case in Wemby's two seasons? Spurs defense is better with him on the bench? Or was it just last year? I think Draymond is deserving of DPOY this year. He's having a monster end on that year and GS is the 4th ranked defense, 2nd seed out west and wasn't expected to be anywhere near that. Gobert would be my #2.

Ironically, it's actually the reverse of what you wrote between Dray and Wemby. The Dubs are 8.4pts better defensively with Green on the bench and the Spurs are 8.9pts better with Wemby on the court vs off.

This award is Wemby's to lose. There are plenty in the media circle that already peeved that the award last season went to Gobert instead of him. Nearly 5 stocks again is going to difficult to overcome, especially with him and Kessler being the only ones with 3+ but Wemby being much more versatile on that end of the floor.

[mediocrityrules]

Dyson Daniels needs some more love in this thread. He won't win, but the way he disrupts the opposition offense is amazing to watch.

[OkcSinceSGA]

The fact that the Thunder defense is still so good without him is kind of hurting his case too, imo

Hasn't that been the case in Wemby's two seasons? Spurs defense is better with him on the bench? Or was it just last year? I think Draymond is deserving of DPOY this year. He's having a monster end on that year and GS is the 4th ranked defense, 2nd seed out west and wasn't expected to be anywhere near that. Gobert would be my #2.

Huh? I don't think that is the case at all. Pretty sure the team was solid defensively with him on the court and plummeted to close to worst in the league with him off. Not sure where to look these stats up though, just going based off memory

That also isn't the same as what I said...I did not say Thunder are better without Chet, that would be asinine. I'm saying they are still far and away the best defensive team in the NBA currently without him, so him being DPOY seems suspect given his team is full of elite defensive players

That's why I'm asking. I haven't checked it this year, but I thought I saw something on it. So just last year?

[OkcSinceSGA]

The fact that the Thunder defense is still so good without him is kind of hurting his case too, imo

Hasn't that been the case in Wemby's two seasons? Spurs defense is better with him on the bench? Or was it just last year? I think Draymond is deserving of DPOY this year. He's having a monster end on that year and GS is the 4th ranked defense, 2nd seed out west and wasn't expected to be anywhere near that. Gobert would be my #2.

Ironically, it's actually the reverse of what you wrote between Dray and Wemby. The Dubs are 8.4pts better defensively with Green on the bench and the Spurs are 8.9pts better with Wemby on the court vs off.

This award is Wemby's to lose. There are plenty in the media circle that already peeved that the award last season went to Gobert instead of him. Nearly 5 stocks again is going to difficult to overcome, especially with him and Kessler being the only ones with 3+ but Wemby being much more versatile on that end of the floor.

I don't think "stocks" is a great argument for DPOY. But yea, them being that much better with him on the court is. I agree he's the heavy favorite.

[Rust_Cohle]

Chet was starting to build an ironclad case but since he got hurt his chances are shot. It's likely going to be Wemby, if the Wolves are not that good.

The fact that the Thunder defense is still so good without him is kind of hurting his case too, imo

Hasn't that been the case in Wemby's two seasons? Spurs defense is better with him on the bench? Or was it just last year? I think Draymond is deserving of DPOY this year. He's having a monster end on that year and GS is the 4th ranked defense, 2nd seed out west and wasn't expected to be anywhere near that. Gobert would be my #2.

Definitely last year, this year spurs are giving up 139 ppg when Wemby doesn’t play.

[PhilBlackson]

Daniels is the DPOY for me.

I know Vic is a block monster, I don't wanna say it's all due to his height/length but it certainly has a ton to do with it. For example, can you even imagine if Victor was able to play the kind of defence Dyson does at his height??! lol it would be absurd, no one would ever score a point on him....

If I'm teaching a kid how to defend, I'm having them watch Dyson, not Vic, that's all I'm saying.

[Bornstellar]

Hasn't that been the case in Wemby's two seasons? Spurs defense is better with him on the bench? Or was it just last year? I think Draymond is deserving of DPOY this year. He's having a monster end on that year and GS is the 4th ranked defense, 2nd seed out west and wasn't expected to be anywhere near that. Gobert would be my #2.

Huh? I don't think that is the case at all. Pretty sure the team was solid defensively with him on the court and plummeted to close to worst in the league with him off. Not sure where to look these stats up though, just going based off memory

That also isn't the same as what I said...I did not say Thunder are better without Chet, that would be asinine. I'm saying they are still far and away the best defensive team in the NBA currently without him, so him being DPOY seems suspect given his team is full of elite defensive players

That's why I'm asking. I haven't checked it this year, but I thought I saw something on it. So just last year?

I'm saying neither year. They have never been better defensively with him on the bench

[kg01]

Dyson Daniels needs some more love in this thread. He won't win, but the way he disrupts the opposition offense is amazing to watch.

Dyson put Brunson in a duffle bag in both matchups this year. Daniels defense should come with a parental advisory sticker.

[PhilBlackson]

Dyson Daniels needs some more love in this thread. He won't win, but the way he disrupts the opposition offense is amazing to watch.

Dyson put Brunson in a duffle bag in both matchups this year. Daniels defense should come with a parental advisory sticker.

Dyson's defence is the closest thing I've seen to a young Kawhi who obviously won this honor twice & likely would've done it more times had his knees held up.

If you plugged in what Dyson does defensively to nearly anyone else on this list, imo they'd be better than what they are now which is to say imo he's the best defender in the league right now, he's just not as popular as everyone else.